Elon Musk finally takes control of Twitter, fires CEO and other execs

[Avro Arrow]

If you live in the US, then you know there is a ton of voter fraud.

Where did you hear that? Reuters says the exact opposite:
Fact Check-Re-examining how and why voter fraud is exceedingly rare in the U.S. ahead of the 2022 midterms

Nobody should be able to vote without an ID, nor should mail be used for voting unless justified. In person with ID.

I agree with you on that but again, you're under the impression that there's "tons" of voter fraud in the USA while Reuters says the exact opposite. I'm afraid that I'm more inclined to believe Reuters (click here to find out why).

Then there's the issue of really stupid people put into positions of power who shouldn't be there and abuse their position regardless of what ID someone has. I can prove that too. Check this out, I really wish that it weren't true, but the CBC doesn't BS:
Ontario woman arrested, jailed in U.S. for driving with a Canadian licence

 

[zulu53]

He won’t have to fire 75% of employees anymore because many left lmao.

A board of directors is typically part of the ownership structure, and as the company is no longer publicly owned it makes sense that it would change. The owners can do whatever they like, which is why when a company is publicly owned its shareholders can vote to do whatever they want.

The whole point of the takeover. As a shareholder Musk thought that the Board and the Executives of Twitter were doing a very, very poor job of running the company. An opinion he substantiated and to which I agreed (seeing his and other evidence). Luckily for us he, unlike the other shareholders who could just complain at shareholder meetings, had sufficient money to become the largest shareholder and fire the incompetent Board and Executive members. Still to be determined how far down in the organization he has to go to get rid of the rot. The current evidence seems to indicate quite far down - hence the current "I would rather put "resigned" on my resume than "fired"".

 

[Avro Arrow]

I'm not an elon musk fan, but I'm glad he bought it if he really intends to do what he says. I'm tired of cancel culture. banning people for "spreading false information" is basically a form of cancel culture where you're cancelling someone simply for saying something that is incorrect or doesn't align with company opinion.

You do realise that "incorrect" and "doesn't align with company opinion" are not even remotely the same things, eh? There's a proper term for "false information" and that term is "propaganda". Propaganda is extremely harmful to society because some will believe it. Those who spread propaganda deserve to be cancelled!

Now, it's true that people have been cancelled who didn't deserve it but that doesn't mean that the people who do deserve it get a pass.

saying something that is wrong is not a crime (I don't want to hear from the fire in a theater people. you know what I mean). we're all guilty of being wrong more often then we would like to admit. cancel culture is basically zero tolerance revenge against someone for making a mistake or saying something you don't agree with. and that is what our society has become thanks to social media. I'm not defending hate speech in any way.

It's quite clear that you're blissfully unaware of the cumulative damage that spreading propaganda has caused.

That is really a different issue than "spreading false information." my hope is elon musk can do better. I say let's give him and chance.

Why? He has shown over and over that he's just a greedy sociopath who has no issue lying his a$$ off. It used to be that I didn't care if Twitter lived or died. Now, I actually want it to die.

 

[Plutoisaplanet]

Freedom of speech isn't important. Freedom of truth is. That something must be true is not based on political affiliation.

US law already has a stipulation for “truth” as a limit for freedom of speech though, and Elon’s plan for Twitter is not to go beyond the law: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_defamation_law

Furthermore “freedom of truth” without freedom of speech is an impediment to truth. Every time there is free expression of ideas (speech), society evolves rapidly like it has been for the last few hundreds of years.

Part of Elon’s goal with Twitter is to correct the amplification of speech from the few. This includes moderation, but also bots. It’s much harder to determine who is and isn’t a bot with the tools used by Twitter at the moment, but with human verification that will become possible.

 

[zulu53]

Why? He has shown over and over that he's just a greedy sociopath.

It would help our judgement of your intellegence if you could substantiate your statements; otherwise we are left to conclude that you have none - intelligence.

 

[wiyosaya]

Avro.. you do realize that the left in Europe, is not the same as in the US.

That the left in the US Blatantly, ie, because they know they can hide behind the media... before they retract. Thus false headlines planted in America media.. that nobody has to say sorry for, or takes ownership of.

Dr Fauci, Facebook, Twitter, Biden all lied to America and tries to sell lies. America media is folding and no hopefully less fake news.

I think you've been watching too much Fox News or is that listening to Steve Bannon?

 

[wiyosaya]

It would help our judgement of your intellegence if you could substantiate your statements; otherwise we are left to conclude that you have none - intelligence.

For your edification https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Debunking+Elon+Musk

 

[wiyosaya]

This one will have the Great Pumpkin worshippers crying in their soup. https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3709509-trump-I-am-staying-on-truth/

 

[wiyosaya]

Truth is not fluid; it is however Relative not Absolute. Relative on a statistical basis via humans perception of reality. The lack of STEM knowledge in the US (particulry on a "technical" forum) is hard to believe. A guy called Einstein (many believe the smartest human produced so far - a GOAT since he not been proven wrong for the last 100 years) summarized for the illiterate: "EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE". Just three words - so how come so many people can't understand it? The education system in the US sucks?

My apologies, oh wise one. You would have had to seen the referenced Babylon 5 episode to understand what I said. @Avro Arrow would have destroyed that comment of mine - except I know he has seen the episode.

 

[wiyosaya]

If you live in the US, then you know there is a ton of voter fraud. Nobody should be able to vote without an ID, nor should mail be used for voting unless justified. In person with ID.

The only "Ton of Fraud" in the 2020 election was Donald J. Trump and anyone who believe/believed his

Trump has been spouting that BS since after the 2016 election, and even republican governors refused to cooperate with his then "investigation" into election fraud because they were smart enough to know that he was spouting BS. Besides that, Trump lost 61 of 62 court cases over this fantasy election fraud because the courts rejected the cases on the basis of lack of evidence of his supposed "massive fraud". And not only that, investigations into fraud in the 2020 election by republican states and republican led investigations also found no evidence of "massive fraud" in the 2020 election.

Talk about believing in the tooth fairy or Santa Claus. Why does the extreme right keep holding onto a fantasy like "massive election fraud?"

I really do not understand this

Why are people so scared of that? You have to have an ID to purchase psudophed or liquer, even Nyquil. But you can vote for the leaders of a country by mail without showing your face and no ID????

You say that simply because it is within your means to easily get an ID. Such is not the case for minimum wage people who work perhaps two or three or more jobs just to make ends meet and are unable to get time off to go get that ID.

Whether you see it this way or not, you have your privileges that others do not share and have no idea that you have those privileges or what it is like to live without them.

 

[axiomatic13]

There are so many deluded people... have have zero idea why CNN folded, or understand what fake news is.

1st Elon Musk is not a Republican, he just see the obvious misrepresentation of liitle/young kids in our society who portray themselves as adults... that is how Twitter became an echo chamber for Socialist who li, e to hear each other. And the moment an adult or with wisdom steps in... these kids shout them down or put their hands over their ears/eyes.

If you hate free speach is because you can't back your opinion up, & are more emotional driven. Learn to cope with real debate.

Those who use their free speach to hate WILL Naturally be shunned & shamed and will have no sway or influence in a public square.

That^ is why, iberal lemmings don't t want open debate, because their agendas would be revealed.

But CNN didn't fold? They followed their demographic which are Boomers and have switched to conservative news. Most Boomers vote Republican. And no I don't hate free speech. But Twitter is a private business. They can do whatever they want. Even now with Musk at the helm.
Same as "No shirt, no shoes, equals no service."

 

[wiyosaya]

You see this why we can't have nice things in this country, stupid people like this go and ruin it.

It looks like you hit on one.

 

[wiyosaya]

But CNN didn't fold? They followed their demographic which are Boomers and have switched to conservative news. Most Boomers vote Republican. And no I don't hate free speech. But Twitter is a private business. They can do whatever they want. Even now with Musk at the helm.
Same as "No shirt, no shoes, equals no service."

That is far too complicated of a topic for the far right to comprehend.

 

[wiyosaya]

Sounds like a ploy from the beginning to enable him to get as much attention as possible from the masses. And now hopefully, all the birds on twitter will pay attention.

They will. When Elon hand them their Asses.

 

[wiyosaya]

You know who else says stuff like that? Fascists.

And I think Trump has him beat for that title.

 

[waclark]

Wondering In what role Musk is acting if he can fire CEO? Isn’t CEO hired and fired by the board? Is the board also gone and Musk is chairman or how is the company structured now?

My understanding is that Musk took the company private or is about to. At that point, he can do what he wants.

 

[wiyosaya]

Well, my belief is that the scientific method should be applied to everything. When a scientist has a theory, it must first be reviewed by other peer-level scientists whose job is to poke holes in it. If they're successful, then the theory cannot be published. Only when the theory is solid enough to survive objective scrutiny can it be published.

This is where "Freedom of Speech" falls flat. The scientific method exists because it's understood that false theories can be incredibly harmful. The same is true for socio-politics. Belief in something that is objectively false creates discord and can ultimately result in war. I know that it's really hard to control what people say but the media is another matter. If the media was forced to actually be "fair and balanced" (and MSNBC is just as guilty of it as Fox), then the current political divide wouldn't be what it is. Instead, the media says whatever they want to keep the masses divided while actually serving their rich corporate overlords. I've seen barefaced lies from Fox, MSNBC and CNN but the people who watch them eat this stuff up and believe it blindly. This causes so much damage to American society that it will result in a socio-political catastrophe.

We can thank our president Ronald Reagan for that - his administration got rid of something called "The Fairness Doctrine" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairness_doctrine

 

[waclark]

The only "Ton of Fraud" in the 2020 election was Donald J. Trump and anyone who believe/believed his

Trump has been spouting that BS since after the 2016 election, and even republican governors refused to cooperate with his then "investigation" into election fraud because they were smart enough to know that he was spouting BS. Besides that, Trump lost 61 of 62 court cases over this fantasy election fraud because the courts rejected the cases on the basis of lack of evidence of his supposed "massive fraud". And not only that, investigations into fraud in the 2020 election by republican states and republican led investigations also found no evidence of "massive fraud" in the 2020 election.

Talk about believing in the tooth fairy or Santa Claus. Why does the extreme right keep holding onto a fantasy like "massive election fraud?"

I really do not understand this

Stacy Abrams disagrees with you. She's been pushing the Stolen Election mantra for some time in Georgia.

You say that simply because it is within your means to easily get an ID. Such is not the case for minimum wage people who work perhaps two or three or more jobs just to make ends meet and are unable to get time off to go get that ID.

Whether you see it this way or not, you have your privileges that others do not share and have no idea that you have those privileges or what it is like to live without them.

Well, I hate to tell you but most of those minimum wage people do have ID, they have driver's licenses. They have Soc Sec cards. You mentioned voting fraud and poop, well this is poop. People can and do get ID and it's not that hard.

I don't buy into stolen elections, but I also don't buy into ID is too hard to get. If it's hard to get then we should make it easy. They have to register to vote at some point. They can get ID then. Or they could do it online, or we could have a mobile van that goes to places of employment and gives people a chance to get ID. The notion that we shouldn't do anything because it's "hard" to get an ID is a non-starter.

 

[captaincranky]

does free speech offends you?

That's an interesting outlook. You may have "free speech" to claim something, but you may encounter liability for "slander" if it's proven false.

As an example, what would you think, say, or do, If I upped and joined Twitter, then claimed that you, "had sex with farm animals"?

After all, that's the,` "unlimited free speech" you're proposing. How would you feel about that? What actions would you take? Would you mindlessly defend against it? But, but, but, I don't have sex with farm animals." Or would you ask Twitter to censure me?

Now let's play, "what's wrong with this sentence?"

"does free speech offends you?

If I were allowed to, I'd say whoever wrote it, needs to learn basic English before they take on heavier issues like the Constitutional 1st Amendment. But, I digress. Since I have no credentials, (other than good grades in Jr. college classes), to support my position. But, other than those, I don't. So, I'll leave it to you to sort that out.

Don't worry though, I wouldn't join Twitter if Musk, and a few of his goons and cult followers, put guns to my head.

 

[wiyosaya]

I wonder if Depp will threaten to assassinate Trump again.

And if he does, he deserves to be arrested an prosecuted.

Yeah, well, truth is like logic. It's true or false, yes or no, 0 or 1. Truth does not have emotion and is not affected by what someone wants to be true.

Absolutely, I get that. But is it true that all people in a country think in exactly the same way about every issue?? Obviously not.

Like, consider how many people in the US were adamant that the US election was stolen simply because they were told that it was. The lack of evidence meant nothing to them, it was purely about their feelings, an irrational emotional response based on their desire for it to be true.

No argument there.

Lies aren't only about which side of the political spectrum you're on either because the Overton Window of each country is different. What is considered left or right in one country is often considered to be the opposite in another. Personally, I agree that Joe Biden is a TERRIBLE president and human being, just not for the insane reasons that the Republicans fabricate. You see, there are ACTUAL reasons that Biden is bad but Republicans won't use those because they're often reasons that Republicans like. Just check this out:

Now, anyone who lives in a country with universal health care knows that he's lying his *** off but since Americans have NEVER known universal health care, they don't know that it's all lies. Biden is better than Trump, sure, but that's setting the bar as low as it gets. He's still a snake, a piece of garbage who lies to his people for his own benefit and the benefit of his rich friends. This is why I don't believe that the USA will survive to see 2030 in its current form.

Given the choice again, I would vote again for Biden especially if the only other choice were Trump. Trump has shown himself to be a wannabe King/Dictator/Clown/God that would have every US citizen kissing his *** and his administration putting everyone in jail who speaks against him. That's not to say that I absolutely love Biden, I don't. I will not vote for any republican in this upcoming election because there are far to many obsessed with kissing Trump's *** - and there are far too many republicans who have decided to pass laws that say that they can over-ride the election choices of the people of the country. Now that's democracy, right?

If Liz Cheney were running for president, I would seriously consider voting for her; however, presidents make other choices, too, like the choices for SCOTUS. IMO, SCOTUS is far too right at this moment and there are some very questionable judges who have lied to congress that are among its members.

IMO, you have no handle on the definition of truth if when you lump everyone in a country under one label just because your viewpoint is that of an outsider.

As I see it, everyone deserves a fair shake and given the choice all would choose truth. Unfortunately, there are those who do not have the mental faculty to make the choice between what is absolute truth and what is not.

People are sheep. They will follow the herders without question especially if they are used to having others spoon-feed them "truth."

When both parties are in the back pockets of the rich, it's only a matter of time before blood revolution happens. This is exactly what happened in France when the first estate (The Monarchy) and the second estate (The Church) allied together against the third estate (The People). There's only so much that can take place before the oppressors are removed from existence forever (brutally killed). This is because sooner or later, they'll reach a point where nobody will be on their side.

Well, its already happening - https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...s-concern-over-political-violence/ar-AA13uG8M

 

[wiyosaya]

Stacy Abrams disagrees with you. She's been pushing the Stolen Election mantra for some time in Georgia.

So? Yes, I know, people apparently think she has a brain.

Well, I hate to tell you but most of those minimum wage people do have ID, they have driver's licenses. They have Soc Sec cards. You mentioned voting fraud and poop, well this is poop. People can and do get ID and it's not that hard.

I don't buy into stolen elections, but I also don't buy into ID is too hard to get. If it's hard to get then we should make it easy. They have to register to vote at some point. They can get ID then. Or they could do it online, or we could have a mobile van that goes to places of employment and gives people a chance to get ID. The notion that we shouldn't do anything because it's "hard" to get an ID is a non-starter.

If it were set up that way, I'd agree, but I hate to tell you, in order to get an ID you have to prove your identity. Somehow, I see this as the old chicken-egg concept. What comes first, registering to vote and having to prove your identity, or having to prove your identity to get that ID so you can prove your identity to vote?

It's not an easy equation as I see it, and so far, no one has proposed a solution that is acceptable to all sides.

 

[waclark]

That's an interesting outlook. You may have "free speech" to claim something, but you may encounter liability for "slander" if it's proven false.

As an example, what would you think, say, or do, If I upped and joined Twitter, then claimed that you, "had sex with farm animals"?

After all, that's the,` "unlimited free speech" you're proposing. How would you feel about that? What actions would you take? Would you mindlessly defend against it? But, but, but, I don't have sex with farm animals." Or would you ask Twitter to censure me?

Now let's play, "what's wrong with this sentence?"

"does free speech offends you?

If I were allowed to, I'd say whoever wrote it, needs to learn basic English before they take on heavier issues like the Constitutional 1st Amendment. But, I digress, since I have no credentials, (other than good grades in Jr. college classes), to support my position. I leave it to you to sort that out.

Free speech has always had consequences. I don't think anyone is suggesting that it shouldn't have them. But when someone is censored for bringing up Hunter Biden's laptop, which has now turned out to be real, that's where I see problems. When someone questions the efficacy of masks in deterring Covid and their post is slapped with a "fact check", I see a problem. Especially since you cannot debate the fact check, even when the fact check is wrong.

To your farm animal example, of course Twitter should remove any libelous or defamatory postings that could lead to legal action. Of course, I don't know how Twitter could confirm that said person did not sleep with farm animals, but I'm sure we could figure that out.

The thing is people should be free to debate things without fear of a biased proctor. If your facts are wrong your opponent can point that out. That's called debate. If you consistently bring up false premises then your credibility will suffer and people will stop listening to your arguments. I prefer that to someone shutting down the conversation because they don't like what they are hearing.

 

[sreams]

"One man's freedom fighter is another mans terrorist". Truth is relative. "Free" speech allows one to see all of the theories about a subject and make an evaluation (to the limit of ones intelligence/experience on the basis that every possibility has been considered and a determination made of its probability - scientific method if you like. "Freedom of Speech" was put in the constitution to help mitigate one of the major problems of one man one vote democracy - people don't think enough about the options before casting their vote (humans are intrinsically lazy and if left unchalleged would become "lemmings" and go extinct. The "debates" or "thinking" generated by opposing opinions = the journey, is what it is all about. The destination (the Government we elect) is the Government we deserve and it is relatively (not absolutely) competent compared to any other Government we could have chosen. Musk understands this (as an immigrant he had to learn it) and is pushing for Twitter to be a vehicle of debate to support (not control) the constitutions intent.

Totally agree with every word.

 

[captaincranky]

Avro.. you do realize that the left in Europe, is not the same as in the US.

That the left in the US Blatantly, ie, because they know they can hide behind the media... before they retract. Thus false headlines planted in America media.. that nobody has to say sorry for, or takes ownership of.

Dr Fauci, Facebook, Twitter, Biden all lied to America and tries to sell lies. America media is folding and no hopefully less fake news.

All one person's opinion, but certainly not "fact". I actually think the right (Trump Republicans, along with Fauz News", lie to an abundant extreme compared to the so called, "left', (Democrats).

This type "confrontational dialog", is exactly what Musk was hoping to achieve when he bought Twitter, Just so he could sit on the mountain top, like a god, ans watch we mortals slug it out, expressly for his amusement.

In the mean time, I'm just going to sit here in, "the swamp", and wait for the padlock to come down on this dumpster fire of a thread,

 

[wiyosaya]

One trick? You got to get out more - try DuckDuckGo and search. Have you heard of Tesla? SpaceX? etc. etc. My my count probably 20 plus tricks since he left high school.

Try these - https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Debunking+Elon+Musk