Elon Musk finally takes control of Twitter, fires CEO and other execs

[m3tavision]

What the heck is "Tesla", or, ""Space-X"? You'll have to forgive me, I live in a hut, without running water, electricity, and certainly no internet. Why, I had to walk 20 miles to a neighboring tribe's village to use their community Wi-Fi. just to post that message.

If I might be so bold as to ask, "exactly how much of the technological aspect of those companies Musk has contributed, versus how much of his running his mouth and collecting money he has done?".

Dr. Martin Luther King is notorious for saying, "I have a dream". But without boots on the ground, neither King's or Musk's would have become reality.

Shouldn't Musk be in his mars colony be now, instead on banging off into Twitter? Inquiring minds want to know..

You sound like you are afraid to watch all the news, because a full narrative destroys your propaganda

Where did you hear that? Reuters says the exact opposite:
Fact Check-Re-examining how and why voter fraud is exceedingly rare in the U.S. ahead of the 2022 midterms

I agree with you on that but again, you're under the impression that there's "tons' of voter fraud in the USA while Reuters says the exact opposite. I'm afraid that I'm more inclined to believe Reuters (click here to find out why).

Then there's the issue of really stupid people put into positions of power who shouldn't be there and abuse their position regardless of what ID someone has. I can prove that too. Check this out, I really wish that it weren't true, but the CBC doesn't BS:
Ontario woman arrested, jailed in U.S. for driving with a Canadian licence

Avro... do u live in the USA..?

Or are you another foreigner trying to tell Americans what they witnessed during the election...? Because many people saw and reported fraud.

All of it was swept under the rug until citizens started to notice a pattern.. and of being silenced, or being told to shut up.
Over 2k complaints of fraud by average citizens in my County alone, let alone my State... and when the courts stepped in, the Secretary deleted the data..

Stuff like that^ went on in every State. Today we know election fraud took place, because there has been Press investigations.

Why or how you don't know this is absolutely amazing given the fact you say it didn't happen... when even more people or coming out about it.

BTW... I got 4 ballots in the mail.. I never asked for one. That is fraud.

 

[nnguy2]

That's an interesting outlook. You may have "free speech" to claim something, but you may encounter liability for "slander" if it's proven false.

As an example, what would you think, say, or do, If I upped and joined Twitter, then claimed that you, "had sex with farm animals"?

After all, that's the,` "unlimited free speech" you're proposing. How would you feel about that? What actions would you take? Would you mindlessly defend against it? But, but, but, I don't have sex with farm animals." Or would you ask Twitter to censure me?

Now let's play, "what's wrong with this sentence?"

"does free speech offends you?

If I were allowed to, I'd say whoever wrote it, needs to learn basic English before they take on heavier issues like the Constitutional 1st Amendment. But, I digress. Since I have no credentials, (other than good grades in Jr. college classes), to support my position. But, other than those, I don't. So, I'll leave it to you to sort that out.

Don't worry though, I wouldn't join Twitter if Musk, and a few of his goons and cult followers, put guns to my head.

I think you missed the point of context of my post, pointing out the hypocrisy of people defending slander/libel in the name of free speech.

 

[captaincranky]

The thing is people should be free to debate things without fear of a biased proctor. If your facts are wrong your opponent can point that out. That's called debate. If you consistently bring up false premises then your credibility will suffer and people will stop listening to your arguments. I prefer that to someone shutting down the conversation because they don't like what they are hearing.

Dude, it takes way more than that to smarten some people up.As an example, I would submit that after 60+ lawsuits were dismissed,, millions still think the 2020 election was "stolen".

As for Hunter Biden's laptop, it's in the FBI crime lab. The only thing that's been conclusively proven thus far, is that Hunter Biden owned a laptop.

Donald Trump has claimed that "the FBI planted" documents at Mar a Lago. Which has been debunked. If Trumps lips are moving, he's lying, and Joe Biden has said he has a "hand;s off policy", regarding his son's guilt or innocence. Let the chips fall where they may.

 

[waclark]

So? Yes, I know, people apparently think she has a brain.

Just pointing out that Trump did not invent the stolen election drivel.

If it were set up that way, I'd agree, but I hate to tell you, in order to get an ID you have to prove your identity. Somehow, I see this as the old chicken-egg concept. What comes first, registering to vote and having to prove your identity, or having to prove your identity to get that ID so you can prove your identity to vote?

It's not an easy equation as I see it, and so far, no one has proposed a solution that is acceptable to all sides.

Like I said, many people get ID as in the form of a driver's license. They have to bring a birth cert, get a pic made and sign a document verifying they are who they say they are. Many schools today have student ID so it's not like it's impossible to prove your identity and get ID.

It is an easy equation as I see it. If a person has a job, including those minimum wage people (who, by the way, represent about 1% of the total work force), they have had an I9 verification done, and they filled out a W4 which includes Soc Sec number. Meaning, they have ID of some sort. Have the employer include a photo, send it off to the Government and voilà, you now have voting ID.

 

[wiyosaya]

Free speech has always had consequences. I don't think anyone is suggesting that it shouldn't have them. But when someone is censored for bringing up Hunter Biden's laptop, which has now turned out to be real, that's where I see problems. When someone questions the efficacy of masks in deterring Covid and their post is slapped with a "fact check", I see a problem. Especially since you cannot debate the fact check, even when the fact check is wrong.

When Hunter Biden is charged and his laptop is presented in court, then I thinki it can be said without debate that the issue is real.

 

[wiyosaya]

Just pointing out that Trump did not invent the stolen election drivel.

OK, I get it, but it wasn't Stacey Abrams, either. Some where along the line, I think the evidence points to Trump and/or someone for giving him the idea.

Like I said, many people get ID as in the form of a driver's license. They have to bring a birth cert, get a pic made and sign a document verifying they are who they say they are. Many schools today have student ID so it's not like it's impossible to prove your identity and get ID.

Ah, but School ID, just like employment IDs, are not considered valid forms of ID by many state governments. I am willing to bet that in more places than just one, were you to present a school ID or employer ID for identification, you would be refuse.

It is an easy equation as I see it. If a person has a job, including those minimum wage people (who, by the way, represent about 1% of the total work force), they have had an I9 verification done, and they filled out a W4 which includes Soc Sec number. Meaning, they have ID of some sort. Have the employer include a photo, send it off to the Government and voilà, you now have voting ID.

But that is not the case.

 

[captaincranky]

BTW... I got 4 ballots in the mail.. I never asked for one. That is fraud.

Actually, it's just a mistake on the mailing list. It's not "fraud", until YOU try to turn them in.

 

[axiomatic13]

You sound like you are afraid to watch all the news, because a full narrative destroys your propaganda


Avro... do u live in the USA..?

Or are you another foreigner trying to tell Americans what they witnessed during the election...? Because many people saw and reported fraud.

All of it was swept under the rug until citizens started to notice a pattern.. and of being silenced, or being told to shut up.
Over 2k complaints of fraud by average citizens in my County alone, let alone my State... and when the courts stepped in, the Secretary deleted the data..

Stuff like that^ went on in every State. Today we know election fraud took place, because there has been Press investigations.

Why or how you don't know this is absolutely amazing given the fact you say it didn't happen... when even more people or coming out about it.

BTW... I got 4 ballots in the mail.. I never asked for one. That is fraud.

That is not fraud unless you fill all four out with info and submit them.
"Fact check: You can vote only once, no matter how many ballot applications you receive"

Fact check: You can vote only once, no matter how many ballot applications you receive

Requesting more than one mail-in ballot is illegal. A recent Facebook post suggesting otherwise is false.

www.usatoday.com

 

[wiyosaya]

You sound like you are afraid to watch all the news, because a full narrative destroys your propaganda


Avro... do u live in the USA..?

Or are you another foreigner trying to tell Americans what they witnessed during the election...? Because many people saw and reported fraud.

And when asked to certify those statements in court, backed off their assertions of fraud.

All of it was swept under the rug until citizens started to notice a pattern.. and of being silenced, or being told to shut up.

Like evidence of "massive voter fraud" my bet is that you cannot prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt. It's a conspiracy theory, and nothing more.

Over 2k complaints of fraud by average citizens in my County alone, let alone my State... and when the courts stepped in, the Secretary deleted the data..

Stuff like that^ went on in every State. Today we know election fraud took place, because there has been Press investigations.

And there have been dozens and dozens of investigations since Trump, back in 2016, claimed there was "massive fraud" even then, yet none of those investigations have found any evidence of "massive fraud". Yes, there have been very isolated instances of fraud, but nothing on the scale of what Trump and his cronies claim.

Why or how you don't know this is absolutely amazing given the fact you say it didn't happen... when even more people or coming out about it.

BTW... I got 4 ballots in the mail.. I never asked for one. That is fraud.

Fraud, maybe, but not massive fraud. Complain to the appropriate authorities if you did. TS is not an appropriate authority to which to complain.

 

[captaincranky]

I think you missed the point of context of my post, pointing out the hypocrisy of people defending slander/libel in the name of free speech.

My, my, the sarcasm is subtle in this one. Might I humbly suggest you put in a "rolleyes" emoji, or, encase "free speech", in shock quotes, (as I have done), to denote the inversion of meaning to clarify your intent.

 

[m3tavision]

That is not fraud unless you fill all four out with info and submit them.
"Fact check: You can vote only once, no matter how many ballot applications you receive"

Fact check: You can vote only once, no matter how many ballot applications you receive

Requesting more than one mail-in ballot is illegal. A recent Facebook post suggesting otherwise is false.

www.usatoday.com

Its election fraud, because I never filled anything out to have my Ballot mailed to me, per State law.

 

[Avro Arrow]

All of this, but we still can't get nVidia to get pricing down.

Yeah but at the end of the day I don't care about GeForce pricing because I only buy Radeons anyway.

 

[nnguy2]

My, my, the sarcasm is subtle in this one. Might I humbly suggest you put in a "rolleyes" emoji, or, encase "free speech", in shock quotes, (as I have done), to denote the inversion of meaning to clarify your intent.

glad we're on the same page

 

[captaincranky]

Ah, but School ID, just like employment IDs, are not considered valid forms of ID by many state governments. I am willing to bet that in more places than just one, were you to present a school ID or employer ID for identification, you would be refuse.

I can't even pick up my Xanax prescription, (that I desperately need after visiting Techspot), without a valid PA drivers license.

I tried my college ID, and it wouldn't fly. (nauseating rhyming intended).

 

[waclark]

Dude, it takes way more than that to smarten some people up.As an example, I would submit that after 60+ lawsuits were dismissed,, millions still think the 2020 election was "stolen".

As for Hunter Biden's laptop, it's in the FBI crime lab. The only thing that's been conclusively proven thus far, is that Hunter Biden owned a laptop.

Donald Trump has claimed that "the FBI planted" documents at Mar a Lago. Which has been debunked. If Trumps lips are moving, he's lying, and Joe Biden has said he has a "hand;s off policy", regarding his son's guilt or innocence. Let the chips fall where they may.

I don't think it's your place or mine, much less some droid at Twitter to smarten people up. That's a losing proposition on all fronts.

As for Hunter's laptop, the point is, people were purposefully trying to suppress that discussion. We do know he had a laptop; we also know there is some pretty interesting stuff on that laptop, and we know that some people were pushing the Russian disinformation story even when they knew it wasn't Russian disinformation. But any suggestion that it might be legit was swept under the rug. That is not free speech.

Biden has said a lot of untrue things, like he played football against Ohio (he didn't), he was forced down in a helicopter by the Taliban (it was weather), that he was at the top of his class (he was at the bottom), he didn't know anything about Hunter's business (see Hunter's laptop), that gas was $5/gal when he took office (it wasn't), that there is no inflation (there is), that he was arrested in S. Africa (nope), that his family were coal miners (see reasons why Biden dropped out of the 88 election) and more. If you're pitting Trump against Biden, that is a no-win situation as Biden has a long history of lying and it's well documented. Should we revoke Biden's twitter account and banish him from social media forever?

 

[captaincranky]

Fraud, maybe, but not massive fraud. Complain to the appropriate authorities if you did. TS is not an appropriate authority to which to complain.

Sorry to take issue with this, but it is not, and cannot be labeled as "fraud", until the recipient tries to cast them at a legal voting place.
At which point, the voter becomes the defendant, and not the state.

 

[dirtyferret]

Its election fraud, because I never filled anything out to have my Ballot mailed to me, per State law.

is it the state of denial or insantity that you vote in?

 

[waclark]

OK, I get it, but it wasn't Stacey Abrams, either. Some where along the line, I think the evidence points to Trump and/or someone for giving him the idea.

Ah, but School ID, just like employment IDs, are not considered valid forms of ID by many state governments. I am willing to bet that in more places than just one, were you to present a school ID or employer ID for identification, you would be refuse.

But that is not the case.

No, it's not the case, that is why we are advocating that it be the case. I've given you plenty of easy ways to get voter ID, but your whole position is no, it's too hard so let's not do it. But it's not hard and could easily be implemented.

The question is do you think we should validate the identity of people who vote in the US? If the answer is yes, then let's figure out a way to do that. If you don't support the idea, then say you don't support it because saying it's hard to do is analogous to saying it's hard to stop drunk drivers so we shouldn't try to find a way to stop drunk drivers. We are a relatively smart people.

 

[m3tavision]

And when asked to certify those statements in court, backed off their assertions of fraud.

Like evidence of "massive voter fraud" my bet is that you cannot prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt. It's a conspiracy theory, and nothing more.

And there have been dozens and dozens of investigations since Trump, back in 2016, claimed there was "massive fraud" even then, yet none of those investigations have found any evidence of "massive fraud". Yes, there have been very isolated instances of fraud, but nothing on the scale of what Trump and his cronies claim.

Fraud, maybe, but not massive fraud. Complain to the appropriate authorities if you did. TS is not an appropriate authority to which to complain.

So you are hiding behind the term "massive fraud" or "organized fraud"..?

Coincidentally, 5 States away Stacy Abrams ballot harvested thousands of votes and sent Mules to drop boxes... it's undeniable. What is even weirder is that certain authorities won't investigate(unequal application of the law), so the Press did... and with research showed the world how and who was doing it in Georgia.

CNN had to retract over 200 stories in a 5 year period. All those errored in favor of one political outlook.

There is a reason fragile people can't watch Fox News...

 

[waclark]

I can't even pick up my Xanax prescription, (that I desperately need after visiting Techspot), without a valid PA drivers license.

I tried my college ID, and it wouldn't fly. (nauseating rhyming intended).

And yet you have valid government ID, wow, that must have been so hard for you, nearly impossible from what I hear. PS - I used to get prescriptions on campus with my college ID and a valid script.

 

[dirtyferret]

There is a reason fragile people can't watch Fox News..

lol I worked for newscorp, they targeted village dummies for a reason

 

[Avro Arrow]

Avro.. you do realize that the left in Europe, is not the same as in the US.

I do understand it because the US doesn't really have a left. The two parties in the USA are "right-wing" (Dems) and "far-right-wing" (Reps). The Dems are only called left because they're the more left of the two parties.

That the Left in the US blatantly lie, because they know they can hide behind the media... before they retract. Thus false headlines planted in America media.. that nobody has to say sorry for, or takes ownership of.

Read what I posted about fake progressives. Real progressives (like me) believe in whatever is true. The so-called "woke" aren't progressives, they're something else entirely. They claim to be progressives and on the left because their ideals seem to match the left better than the right in many ways. Where their placement on the left falls flat is that they're like an oppressive fascist regime forcing you to act a certain way. No real progressive can get behind that. Referring to them as progressives is insulting to real progressives just as referring to fascists as conservatives is insulting to conservatives because they're not the same thing.

Fascists aren't conservative in philosophy, they're oppressive. These "woke" people are also oppressive and I want nothing to do with them. It's like the difference between "feminist" and "femi-nazi". One believes in equal rights for everyone and the other is female-supremacist. Gender-supremacy is the exact opposite of what a progressive values because that's not progress and yet, for some reason, people think that female-supremacists are leftists. Leftists abhor racism and sexism in all forms because we recognise that being racist against white people and sexist against men is no better than being racist against black people and sexist towards women. Discrimination is discrimination and people are people, period.

The problem is that the media is lazy and interchanges terms when it really shouldn't. Like, MGTOW is about straight men deciding that they want to live alone and for themselves. The media incorrectly calls that misogyny. Deciding that you would rather be a confirmed bachelor doesn't mean that you hate women, it just means that you're fed up and are happier alone. Of course, the media has an agenda to push so they "conveniently" make mistakes like this. Thus, people who don't know better (and they are LEGION) end up parrotting all of this BS as if it were gospel.

Dr Fauci, Facebook, Twitter, Biden all lied to America and tried to sell lies.

You're going to have to prove that. I don't entertain claims without evidence when I haven't seen any over the years. If you can show evidence to back up your words, I'll listen. If you can't, I won't. It has nothing to do with what you're saying, it has to do with the fact that you may believe what you're saying and are saying it in earnest but it can still be false because your source might be full of it.

America media is starting to fold from all their misinformation.. and hopefully Twitter can hold the Media accountable now...

Sure, but who's going to hold Twitter accountable?

Now that the truth will not be censored, or shadowbanned...!

As long as there is proof to back up what you call truth, I can totally get with that. If it's from sources like Alex Jones or Joe Rogan, forget it. Evidence comes from those qualified to give it. Joe Rogan said that Canada is a communist country (I WATCHED him say it) and that destroyed ALL credibility he ever had with me. I was born and live in Canada and we're not even remotely communist.

 

[axiomatic13]

So you are hiding behind the term "massive fraud" or "organized fraud"..?

Coincidentally, 5 States away Stacy Abrams ballot harvested thousands of votes and sent Mules to drop boxes... it's undeniable. What is even weirder is that certain authorities won't investigate(unequal application of the law), so the Press did... and with research showed the world how and who was doing it in Georgia.

CNN had to retract over 200 stories in a 5 year period. All those errored in favor of one political outlook.

There is a reason fragile people can't watch Fox News...

There were exactly 17 fraudulent votes in 2020. 17! This data is from the hard right-leaning Heritage Foundation. That's not "massive fraud." https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud...year=2020&case_type=All&fraud_type=All&page=0

 

[p51d007]

Oh those "poor" twitter employees that are worried about their future.
I remember when they shut down the keystone pipeline and all of the jobs lost,
a bunch of twitter employees were saying they should get jobs making EV batteries,
windmills, solar panels...well twitter employees...if you get CANNED, you can always do
what you suggested others do. But, that would mean you'd actually have to WORK...not
sit on the roof drinking wine like that viral video shows one so called employee doing.

 

[Avro Arrow]

US law already has a stipulation for “truth” as a limit for freedom of speech though, and Elon’s plan for Twitter is not to go beyond the law: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_defamation_law

If that's true, then great. The thing is, I'll believe it when I see it because I've heard too much BS from Elon Musk to take what he says without a shovelfull of salt. Don't believe him just because he says so. He has more than enough money to pay whatever fines he has to if he decides that he wants to ignore his previous statements.

Furthermore “freedom of truth” without freedom of speech is an impediment to truth. Every time there is free expression of ideas (speech), society evolves rapidly like it has been for the last few hundreds of years.

In the 20th-century that was true. Not so much in the 21st however. I don't mind expressing ideas but I do mind expressing ideas as facts when they're not. If someone wants to make a straight statement, as far as I'm concerned, if they want me to pay any attention to it, they had better be able to back up their words. If they can't, they're just another crackpot to me.

Part of Elon’s goal with Twitter is to correct the amplification of speech from the few. This includes moderation, but also bots. It’s much harder to determine who is and isn’t a bot with the tools used by Twitter at the moment, but with human verification that will become possible.

I completely agree with this and so I believe that Twitter has to be re-written as a platform that is immune to bots. Elon's got the pockets to easily get it done, so let's see if he makes any positive changes or just comes up with excuses why he can't. Doing what needs to be done to Twitter would be a drop in the bucket for him. The problem with being that rich is the fact that nobody with a brain is going to buy any excuses you have for something not getting done. We're quite aware that he has the means to do what he says so if he doesn't, he was just full of it from the beginning.