Elon Musk says Tesla's next Roadster could hover or even fly

[captaincranky]

Musk is not a racist or an antisemtic. He doesnt fund far right extremism at all. What are you people smoking here?

Hes just another tech CEO and a very successful one at that. If you want to start hating on a CEO there are far more deplorable out there than Elon Musk.

No, there aren't. Musk is an a**hole's a**hole. He's the P T Barnum of the tech world.

An as for your claim of him not supporting "far right causes", his contribution of around 300 million to get fuhrer Flump elected, says otherwise.

If his new roadster doesn't, "get off the ground", so to speak, I'd almost bet he'll claim the next one will fly you to mars.

But that's only, and I do mean only, if he gets his trillion dollar pay package.

 

[captaincranky]

Musk needs to lay off the marijuana! LOL

And the ketamine.

 

[captaincranky]

The first roadster flew to space, so this sounds totally plausible…

And they're still down in Texas reeling in the extension cord.

 

[captaincranky]

This is the same roadster, simply delayed. He is talking about cold gas thrusters which might let it hover for a very short amount of time depending on how big of a tank it can hold. When he says it might even fly, he’s referring to lateral motion. This is not a VTOL. It will have an air compressor, not a propeller.

And what, I prithee tell me, is the f**king point of that? You'd need side thrusters as well for it to even help you park.

Besides, some people have already been there and done that.

 

[captaincranky]

Who is going to buy these with Elon hating on liberals? Certainly not conservatives, who favor fossil fuels?

No problem. He'll have a gas turbine model for them.
You just take one of the Marine's scrap AV-8 Harriers, and slap a Cybertruck body on it

Tower: Redneck 1, you're cleared for takeoff...........^^^^^^^^^ Whee..!

 

[bviktor]

At this point it is just sad.

A once visionary entrepreneur, turned huckster, turned lunatic conman. Why again does Tesla's board what to give this guy $100B? He is just making up bonkers stuff in a ketamine induced psychosis.

He was always a conman, we just wanted to believe he's not.

 

[captaincranky]

P.S. My last flying car with AI flew away on me, again. I'm still looking for it.

I told you to take up falconry instead, didn't I?

The common red tailed hawk (Buteo jamaicensis) is a good place to start. They're not terribly fickle, and they do usually return to the glove.

Once properly trained, you could use the bird to get rid of the pigeons that were crapping on your flying car. (assuming of course, that it ever comes back).

 

[VitalyT]

I told you to take up falconry instead, didn't I?

The common red tailed hawk (Buteo jamaicensis) is a good place to start. They're not terribly fickle, and they do usually return to the glove.

Once properly trained, you could use the bird to get rid of the pigeons that were crapping on your flying car. (assuming of course, that it ever comes back).

I shall call it - Xerxes!

 

[Plutoisaplanet]

And what, I prithee tell me, is the f**king point of that? You'd need side thrusters as well for it to even help you park.

Besides, some people have already been there and done that.

The main benefit is for increased drag and handling (via downforce). Being able to create upforce is just relatively easy to add given the technology is already being included. And it would be well controlled unlike hydraulics lol.

Off of the top of my head, one of the uses is being able to temporarily hover is going over speedbumps or potholes while moving without the uncomfortable bouncing of either hitting it or using hydraulics. This is especially useful compared to other sports cars that are typically lowered. Have a steep driveway or a parallel parking spot you need to navigate? Easy.

Anyways, this is just me musing with limited information, I could be completely wrong. But I'm sure anyone seriously considering designing a car that could hover would've thought about it.

 

[Haaky]

Smoke some more crack Elon, you ****in *****

 

[manowar51]

Well I think you should research a bit more of his white supremacist ideas. And see who is he supporting.

I can assure you, he's not a white supremacist. Why would lie about such things?

 

[manowar51]

No, there aren't. Musk is an a**hole's a**hole. He's the P T Barnum of the tech world.

An as for your claim of him not supporting "far right causes", his contribution of around 300 million to get fuhrer Flump elected, says otherwise.

If his new roadster doesn't, "get off the ground", so to speak, I'd almost bet he'll claim the next one will fly you to mars.

But that's only, and I do mean only, if he gets his trillion dollar pay package.

Your old man is showing here. Trump and their republicans are not "far right". They are center right at best. What on earth qualifies republicans as far right?

Seems like you need to get to bed. Old man...

 

[captaincranky]

Your old man is showing here. Trump and their republicans are not "far right". They are center right at best. What on earth qualifies republicans as far right?

Seems like you need to get to bed. Old man...

You're pretty much an internet and social paradox. You're too uninformed to bother with, yet too annoying to ignore.

It's another paradox that the young always manage to assure themselves they know it all, while the mature are well aware of how little they actually do.

"Rest" assured, I've had sufficient sleep today, no need to concern yourself with my "well being".

I actually am one of a dying breed known as "centrists", and neither musk or diaper don come close to any reasonable, even expanded, definition of the term..

I don't think I can move your opinion one iota, it's presumably cast in stone, and at such a tender age. Imagine that, immature neurons being unable to accept new inputs, or form new bonds. Que' tragedia.

The internet is a wonderful thing. Despite my accumulating years, I don't have to call anybody to fix my computer, nor do I need anyone's assistance to diagnose, or categorize human behaviors. For example, weighing your opinions against your responses, presents what could be an algebraic expression of character. In other words, if you read it forwards or backwards, the answer-/- conclusion is always the same.

Beings as you think I'm "over the hill, slightly senile, and in need of sleep", please allow me a little, "rock, rant, and ramble, room".

So, the internet is (obviously), one of the world's greatest scientific triumph's. It also affords a virulent opportunity for anthropomorphzing it's participants, much in the same way as did Orwell in, Animal Farm.

It affords the tiniest tadpole the "opportunity", to manifest itself in a grandiose manner, as a full grown, loudly croaking. bullfrog.

 

[captaincranky]

The main benefit is for increased drag and handling (via downforce). Being able to create upforce is just relatively easy to add given the technology is already being included. And it would be well controlled unlike hydraulics lol.

Off of the top of my head, one of the uses is being able to temporarily hover is going over speedbumps or potholes while moving without the uncomfortable bouncing of either hitting it or using hydraulics. This is especially useful compared to other sports cars that are typically lowered. Have a steep driveway or a parallel parking spot you need to navigate? Easy.

Anyways, this is just me musing with limited information, I could be completely wrong. But I'm sure anyone seriously considering designing a car that could hover would've thought about it.

I'm going to attempt a logical point by point response to your post.

First, consider the number of nozzles, along with the compressor PSI, and tank volume. needed to lift a 4,000 Lb car off the ground.

I don't think down force is necessary if a vehicle is being operated within the legal speed constraints of US law. If you want to go 70 on a 25 MPH on a semicircular highway off or on ramp, then yeah, maybe.

Air is a fluid, while rubber against asphalt is (virtually) a solid. So, the instant the car leaves the ground, all directional and braking control is lost. If you've ever been in a boat, you know that you can't cut the power when you'\re right next to the dock, and expect it to stop there. Which leaves us with the necessity of having all those nozzles being capable of thrust vectoring.

Using thrust nozzles to go across speed bumps is "workaround", primarily, (IMO) for assisting drivers to break the speed limits the bumps are intended to enforce. Realistically, do you think the average driver would slow down then employ the thrusters to avoid the thump?

The idea that musk is using, "fly" as a euphemism, is of course a possibility, a hyperboly, or an unrealistic talking point, are all entirely likely. However even as sleazy as ad agencies are. I doubt that even they would crank out something as disingenuous, "come fly with us, Toyota". There would be paragraphs of disclaimers under that one.

 

[Plutoisaplanet]

I'm going to attempt a logical point by point response to your post.

First, consider the number of nozzles, along with the compressor PSI, and tank volume. needed to lift a 4,000 Lb car off the ground.

I don't think down force is necessary if a vehicle is being operated within the legal speed constraints of US law. If you want to go 70 on a 25 MPH on a semicircular highway off or on ramp, then yeah, maybe.

Air is a fluid, while rubber against asphalt is (virtually) a solid. So, the instant the car leaves the ground, all directional and braking control is lost. If you've ever been in a boat, you know that you can't cut the power when you'\re right next to the dock, and expect it to stop there. Which leaves us with the necessity of having all those nozzles being capable of thrust vectoring.

Using thrust nozzles to go across speed bumps is "workaround", primarily, (IMO) for assisting drivers to break the speed limits the bumps are intended to enforce. Realistically, do you think the average driver would slow down then employ the thrusters to avoid the thump?

The idea that musk is using, "fly" as a euphemism, is of course a possibility, a hyperboly, or an unrealistic talking point, are all entirely likely. However even as sleazy as ad agencies are. I doubt that even they would crank out something as disingenuous, "come fly with us, Toyota". There would be paragraphs of disclaimers under that one.

Well it was a casual conversation he said it in, not an ad campaign. We don't know what the plans for the vehicle are yet. Anyways, it's obviously going to be a rich person's toy. Just because a car can go 155 mph does not make that legal to do on the roads, but that never stopped automakers. Cars (especially "roadsters") are driven on racetracks too you know.

As for loss of control while moving, you're operating under the assumption the tires would leave the ground. The tires do not have to leave the ground to mitigate the impact of a bump because cars have suspensions and tires have separate masses. Simply applying some upforce to lift the majority of the car's weight would cause the suspension to soften significantly without any loss of control.

You asked what the point of it was, and I explained there are valid reasons to make a car hover. Just because it'd would be expensive or might not for everyday use does not make "hovering" any less valid to be included in an expensive car.

 

[Northy]

Musk is not a racist or an antisemtic. He doesnt fund far right extremism at all. What are you people smoking here?

Hes just another tech CEO and a very successful one at that. If you want to start hating on a CEO there are far more deplorable out there than Elon Musk.

But he did that salute and made Twitter X for Nazi freedom! (hahaha) /s

Yeah I've been trying to tell people what you have been saying as well, that he's got straight up capitalist qualities that are well worth hating but this whole racist, antisemetic nazi rage is clearly a media orchestrated character assassination ploy. They don't want to hear it though. The echo chamber has echoed so many times that this ad populum is reality for many.

 

[captaincranky]

But he did that salute and made Twitter X for Nazi freedom! (hahaha) /s

Yeah I've been trying to tell people what you have been saying as well, that he's got straight up capitalist qualities that are well worth hating but this whole racist, antisemetic nazi rage is clearly a media orchestrated character assassination ploy. They don't want to hear it though. The echo chamber has echoed so many times that this ad populum is reality for many.

Exactly when, I prithee tell me, did "Elon" develop any character in the first place?

 

[Northy]

Exactly when, I prithee tell me, did "Elon" develop any character in the first place?

Yeah, he's always been a capitalist pig. People making out like he's got some sort of morality that cares about anything but money is hilarious.

 

[captaincranky]

I can assure you, he's not a white supremacist. Why would lie about such things?

How is that, do you know him personally? Or do you just drool and hang onhis every word at his hokey press conferences? He does, (ostensibly), have an IQ of 155. Which tells me, he's more than smart enough to make you think whatever he wants you to..

BTW, If you actually want to form a sentence, it needs a subject:

"Why would, (subject goes >here<) lie about such things?"

As old as I am, I was able to stay up long past the election results concluded. In fact, I laughed my a** off til way past dawn.

 

[captaincranky]

Yeah, he's always been a capitalist pig. People making out like he's got some sort of morality that cares about anything but money is hilarious.

Which begs the question, is he just pretending to be a fascist, while hanging around other genuine fascists, so he can get his grubby Afrikaner paws on US taxpayer's money?

I don't think that's funny. But I may not have, "the highly developed sense of humor", that you do.

Some people mistakenly believe that Hitler was a Fascist. That's not true. He only initiated the Holocaust because he was after the Jew's money.

But you and I both know, that poor Adolf was sadly the victim of bad press, don't we?

 

[Northy]

Which begs the question, is he just pretending to be a fascist, while hanging around other genuine fascists, so he can get his grubby Afrikaner paws on US taxpayer's money?

I don't think that's funny. But I may not have, "the highly developed sense of humor", that you do.

Some people mistakenly believe that Hitler was a Fascist. That's not true. He only initiated the Holocaust because he was after the Jew's money.

But you and I both know, that poor Adolf was sadly the victim of bad press, don't we?

He's not even pretending to be fascist, and he doesn't hang around anyone but other technocrats and even then he's mostly a loner. The moment his power grabs start to look like they might effect his bottom line he doubles back and double-crosses, couldn't even stay BFF's with Trump. He spends enormous amounts of money buying influence, because power is money, and that's all he cares about. Even the billions he's given to charities are seen through as power plays by many.

Blah blah Hitler, blah blah. Irrelevant correlations.

 

[captaincranky]

He's not even pretending to be fascist, and he doesn't hang around anyone but other technocrats and even then he's mostly a loner. The moment his power grabs start to look like they might effect his bottom line he doubles back and double-crosses, couldn't even stay BFF's with Trump. He spends enormous amounts of money buying influence, because power is money, and that's all he cares about. Even the billions he's given to charities are seen through as power plays by many.

Blah blah Hitler, blah blah. Irrelevant correlations.

You sound like someone who knows a lot more about everything than I do. I better mind my place, ay?

But yeah, when he figured out that he wasn't allowed to play the part of, "the real POTUS" anymore, and Tesla tanked, he did sort of slither off. I Roman salute you.

 

[Northy]

You sound like someone who knows a lot more about everything than I do. I better mind my place, ay?

But yeah, when he figured out that he wasn't allowed to play the part of, "the real POTUS" anymore, and Tesla tanked, he did sort of slither off. I Roman salute you.

Consistent sarcasm probably hasn't worked well for you generally in life, as well as in your discussion with me, ay?

It'll be interesting to see what happens if war gets really real and the US government pressures him for military satellite use. Will he be a patriot then? I'm interested to know.

 

[captaincranky]

Consistent sarcasm probably hasn't worked well for you generally in life, as well as in your discussion with me, ay?

It'll be interesting to see what happens if war gets really real and the US government pressures him for military satellite use. Will he be a patriot then? I'm interested to know.

Well, I do so enjoy being a misanthrope. The human race, at least in general , doesn't have all that much to recommend it.

As for a war, IRL, I'd be interested which "country", Trumpo the clown starts one with next. Maybe Los Angeles, New City York, Philadelphia, who knows?

If it's China, musk will take the US side, as long as we don't bomb his factories there. But seriously, do you imagine musk owns the US military's satellite network?

But then again, the trimpanzee might have sold them to musk, in trade for a gold brick in his new ballroom.

 

[Northy]

Well, I do so enjoy being a misanthrope. The human race, at least in general , doesn't have all that much to recommend it.

As for a war, IRL, I'd be interested which "country", Trumpo the clown starts one with next. Maybe Los Angeles, New City York, Philadelphia, who knows?

If it's China, musk will take the US side, as long as we don't bomb his factories there. But seriously, do you imagine musk owns the US military's satellite network?

But then again, the trimpanzee might have sold them to musk, in trade for a gold brick in his new ballroom.

In a modern all out war it's reliable satellite to ground internet systems in hostile zones that will be essential for AI deployment, and Musk controls the only one that has scale. OneWeb isn't there and Kuiper isn't as massive and reliable yet.

I really don't know if Musk would agree to have his satellites used against adversaries in this scenario. He doesn't seem to have any ideology at all. Trump might be an ***** but at least he identifies as a patriot.