Elon Musk's X claims ownership of user accounts in InfoWars sale dispute with The Onion

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Editor's take: This legal battle unfolds against a backdrop of increasing scrutiny of social media platforms and their influence on public discourse. This case could reshape our understanding of what it means to "own" a social media account in the digital age. In a new and unexpected chapter of the ongoing InfoWars saga, Elon Musk's X platform has thrown a legal curveball, asserting ownership over user accounts in a bid to block their transfer to satirical news outlet The Onion.

X has filed a limited objection to the sale of InfoWars, the controversial media platform run by conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, to The Onion. While not opposing the sale in principle, X argues that users do not own their accounts and cannot sell or transfer them without the platform's explicit permission.

"X Corp.'s TOS [terms of service] make clear that it owns the X Accounts, as the TOS is explicit that X Corp. merely grants its users a non-exclusive license to use their accounts," the company stated in a filing to a federal court in Texas, which 404 Media later published online.

"Regardless of the accounts' use, X Corp. is plainly the owner of the X Accounts and the Services, and the Trustee cannot sell, assign, or otherwise transfer what it does not own or have an interest in."

This legal maneuver comes in the wake of InfoWars being put up for bankruptcy auction after Jones was ordered by a federal court to pay $1.5 billion to relatives of victims of the 2012 Sandy Hook school massacre, following his false claims about the tragedy being a "hoax."

The Onion announced its acquisition of InfoWars earlier this month, but the deal is currently on hold pending a court hearing next month. The delay comes after objections were raised by Jones and a losing bidder, First United American Companies (FUAC), which is affiliated with Jones's dietary supplements business.

Jones and FUAC have accused the trustee overseeing the auction, Christopher Murray, of colluding with The Onion and the Sandy Hook families. Murray has vehemently denied these allegations, describing them as a "desperate attempt" to delay the sale.

This assertion of control over user accounts isn't entirely new for the platform. Elon Musk has previously demonstrated X's authority by taking over the dormant @america handle to promote his pro-Donald Trump super political action committee during the presidential election.

X's legal stance raises significant questions about digital ownership and user rights on social media platforms. The company insists it's not claiming ownership of the content within the accounts, but rather control over the accounts themselves.

"While X Corp. takes no position as to the sale of any Content posted on the X Accounts, X Corp. is the sole owner of the Services being sold as part of the sale of the X Accounts," the social media company said in its court filing.

This position challenges the common practice of transferring social media accounts when brands are sold, potentially setting a precedent for future digital asset transactions. The outcome of this case could have far-reaching implications for user rights, digital asset ownership, and the future of social media platforms.

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I am confused on account of The Onion, which is the platform for producing fake news, which by extension makes this whole thing a BS.

An account should be owned by the person created and represented by that account. The fact that it doesn't work that way is a fundamental problem of the Internet age. The last thing we want is to see some corporations arguing over the right of owning your account, which is wrong in every way.
 
Going to a bankruptcy auction expecting to buy a media platform and leaving with a legal lecture on how you don’t even own your own username. Big Tech Monopoly Plot Twist Level: Elon.
 
The platform owns the hardware, not the users' data stored within that hardware (HDDs), and provides access to this hardware along with software to the users. The platform controls this access path because they are at the end of the path and control the entrance. This path is distinct from an account, which is an abstract entity, and I don't think there is a need for a license for this path since it is part of a global network with many owners.

When an account is created, the platform has a passive role while the user has an active role. Therefore, I believe the user holds the copyright to the account, assuming it can be copyrighted. Ownership is a different legal entity from possession; you must own something to grant a license over it. If you only possess something, you cannot legally grant a license because doing so would constitute fraud.

There is no legal mechanism or doctrine that transfers the ownership of an account to a platform. Thus, any line in the terms of service where the platform grants a license to an account they do not own is invalid. Such a claim would likely alienate the user base, damaging platform's reputation and potentially leading to a mass exodus. Farther more most jurisdictions have strict laws protecting user data, such as the GDPR in Europe or the CCPA in US.
 
So basically, if you use Twitter then Elon Musk owns your account and can do with it as he pleases. Good to know. I'm glad I never used Twitter in the past and never will in the future.
 
If the company and product is liked, privacy and ownership concerns go out the window.

I'm even guilty of this.
 
The platform owns the hardware, not the users' data stored within that hardware (HDDs), and provides access to this hardware along with software to the users. The platform controls this access path because they are at the end of the path and control the entrance. This path is distinct from an account, which is an abstract entity, and I don't think there is a need for a license for this path since it is part of a global network with many owners.

When an account is created, the platform has a passive role while the user has an active role. Therefore, I believe the user holds the copyright to the account, assuming it can be copyrighted. Ownership is a different legal entity from possession; you must own something to grant a license over it. If you only possess something, you cannot legally grant a license because doing so would constitute fraud.

There is no legal mechanism or doctrine that transfers the ownership of an account to a platform. Thus, any line in the terms of service where the platform grants a license to an account they do not own is invalid. Such a claim would likely alienate the user base, damaging platform's reputation and potentially leading to a mass exodus. Farther more most jurisdictions have strict laws protecting user data, such as the GDPR in Europe or the CCPA in US.
The way it is written, you are an authorized user of the account, not the own. The platform owns the account and it's Data.

I'm not saying it's right, but that's what the law is. You signed away your rights in the EULA.
 
Wish this guy would do us all a favour and just drop dead. Everyone thinks this guys is a super genius.
All he is, is a jabrone with more money than brains. The only smart thing he does is hire smart people. Then takes credit for there work.
He's a 5 year old child in a 40 year old body.

 
Pretty sure this is how all accounts work with any service? Account selling has long been disallowed on many platforms, especially gaming platforms.
As far as I know transfering accounts/licences is allowed and has happened many times (it's what happens when companies/brands are sold or transferred to another company). Even Elon Musk tried to do it.

This isn't account selling, this a court order.
 
As far as I know transfering accounts/licences is allowed and has happened many times (it's what happens when companies/brands are sold or transferred to another company). Even Elon Musk tried to do it.

This isn't account selling, this a court order.
Transferring access to accounts isn't what's being contested.
 
"the controversial media platform run by conspiracy theorist Alex Jones" that's when I stopped reading this dog$hit article. Remember 9/11 and who said it will happen before the tragedy occurred.

@Kashim, you dont know how the internet works, sadly, and still you use it.
 
"the controversial media platform run by conspiracy theorist Alex Jones" that's when I stopped reading this dog$hit article. Remember 9/11 and who said it will happen before the tragedy occurred.

@Kashim, you dont know how the internet works, sadly, and still you use it.
Alex Jones got what he deserved. He's a garbage human who destroyed the lives of parents who had their children killed all so he can make more money of their tragic lives.
 
As far as I know transfering accounts/licences is allowed and has happened many times (it's what happens when companies/brands are sold or transferred to another company). Even Elon Musk tried to do it.

This isn't account selling, this a court order.
So, for nefarious reason I can get the Court to give me Your Account, bcz I had sued You, or won a lawsuit against you..?

So now, your social media accounts are now mine, Court Ordered?


See, you people hate Elon so much, you are willing to give up your own rights, just so Elon can be punished. That is exactly what they want, if for you all to be lemming carrying the torch for these fascist.

And if you do not understand this has nothing to do with Elon Musk, or Alex Jones it's about the Political Entities within Government(s), eroding your personal rights and ownership, then you are part of the problem.

They want you to hate Elon, so you won't stand up for your own rights.
 
I dont like Elon for sure, he is a giant man baby. Being rich is not a sign of smart so save me the worship.

But, as I understand, this is how most platforms work. You never officially own your account and they can remove your access to it at anytime they want. I think the accounts belong to the business and not the individual but thats just me and the way the ToS are written, I do not think Elon broke them however there could be some legal arguments to be made here. Alex Jones has the right to own his personal account but I personally dont see him having any rights to the business accounts. This is pretty standard fare for company mergers, acquisitions and takeovers.

If anything, this is a new thing coming around in our AI age and its possible this might need to be addressed by the supreme court for an official ruling
 
So, for nefarious reason I can get the Court to give me Your Account, bcz I had sued You, or won a lawsuit against you..?

So now, your social media accounts are now mine, Court Ordered?


See, you people hate Elon so much, you are willing to give up your own rights, just so Elon can be punished. That is exactly what they want, if for you all to be lemming carrying the torch for these fascist.

And if you do not understand this has nothing to do with Elon Musk, or Alex Jones it's about the Political Entities within Government(s), eroding your personal rights and ownership, then you are part of the problem.

They want you to hate Elon, so you won't stand up for your own rights.
Are you saying court orders are now "nefarious"? This kind of disregard for the law... what has the world turned into? Frauds like Trump are now lauded for their blatant illegal activities...

Yes, if a court orders you to relinquish your accounts then you should do so. Let's not pretend that that man didn't deserve this. He ruined lives.

FYI I dislike Elon because of what he represents and does. He's not fighting for your "rights", he's fighting to make money. Nothing more, nothing less. This has never been more obvious than what happened since trump won.
 
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Hooray for ELON!! I'm smart enough to know he is a rare genius. Those that tear him down are merely squawking, low IQ, jealous _______. Try doing something positive on the Man, Techspot. Or do you wish to remain legacy media?
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
 
So, for nefarious reason I can get the Court to give me Your Account, bcz I had sued You, or won a lawsuit against you..?

So now, your social media accounts are now mine, Court Ordered?


See, you people hate Elon so much, you are willing to give up your own rights, just so Elon can be punished. That is exactly what they want, if for you all to be lemming carrying the torch for these fascist.

And if you do not understand this has nothing to do with Elon Musk, or Alex Jones it's about the Political Entities within Government(s), eroding your personal rights and ownership, then you are part of the problem.

They want you to hate Elon, so you won't stand up for your own rights.
I hate Elon and all he thinks he stands for, however, that will not prevent me from standing up for my rights.

Your view does not hold truth for everyone.
 
Next stop ... everything you uploaded to the Cloud is not yours!

data belongs to the cloud's provider ...
 
Next stop ... everything you uploaded to the Cloud is not yours!

data belongs to the cloud's provider ...
Your account is just that, an account opened on a platform that you do not control fully. What you upload in the cloud is very different.

If google wants to, they can stop giving you access to your account any time they want for any reason.
 
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