EV drivers are showing up to public chargers and finding locked gates and surprise fees

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Sounding off: As more people switch to electric vehicles, they increasingly rely on apps to find nearby chargers. Those apps often direct drivers to charging stations at car dealerships, listing them alongside dedicated public charging sites. On paper, it appears to be a growing, accessible network. In practice, however, the experience can be very different.

Drivers are finding chargers blocked by gates, restricted to business hours, or priced far beyond what they expected. For someone new to EVs, that kind of experience can turn what should be a simple charging stop into a frustrating introduction to the technology.

Steve Birkett of Plug & Play EV ran into exactly that problem at a Hyundai dealership in Union, New Jersey. In a LinkedIn post, he said the dealer was charging $15 per kWh to top off his IONIQ 5 – far more than most drivers would expect to pay.

But the price wasn't the only issue. Birkett described a broader pattern with dealership chargers, where access is often dictated by the dealer's priorities rather than the public's. Stations may be technically available but are, in practice, reserved for service vehicles or dealership inventory. Others are listed as public yet sit behind locked gates after hours or feature signage that makes it clear outside drivers aren't exactly welcome.

"Although there are examples of dealership DCFC done right, such as many of the Ford Charge locations I've visited, there are far more that suffer from common complaints," Birkett wrote.

What's happening at dealerships reflects a broader issue across the charging ecosystem: a lack of consistency, particularly when it comes to pricing and access. Gas stations have long been required to display prices clearly and prominently. EV charging operators often don't face the same expectations.

Instead, pricing is frequently buried in apps, and even then, the information may not be up to date. That creates room for confusion – and, in some cases, expensive surprises.

One driver in Sycamore, Illinois, shared a particularly stark example. Posting on Reddit under the name C1rcuitBoard, the user said they received a $671.60 charging bill at an MES-branded station.

"When I charged they were not displaying updated pricing in the app, so I didn't notice the issue," the user wrote. "I emailed the company to see if it was a mistake and I could get a refund, (but the company) doubled down, and even sent me their power bill to 'prove' they weren't overcharging me."

Stories like this point to a more technical problem behind the scenes. EV charging isn't just about plugging into a charger. It also relies on a network of software systems that manage pricing, billing, and real-time data shared with third-party apps. When those systems fall out of sync, the information drivers depend on can quickly become unreliable.

There's also a broader question of accountability. Many of these chargers are installed with public funding or incentives intended to expand access and support EV adoption. Yet there are few safeguards to ensure they continue functioning as true public infrastructure once they're up and running.

That gap is becoming more noticeable as the industry matures. EVs are improving, driving ranges are increasing, and more people are making the switch, yet the charging experience remains inconsistent in places where drivers expect reliability.

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Electric vehicles work best when you have a house/ garage or your own personal charger that only you use. You can charge when your car is low: no wait no hassle no fuss. Many of these dealers will charge your car while you wait if you have no other way of charging it, but the problem is they usually have either a level two charger or it may take a considerable long time. Some dealers have level 3 chargers on premises but they are usually locked down.

They wanna get you on the Tesla supercharger network as soon as possible so most electric vehicle vehicles are switching to NACS.

There are many reasons I can think of to not want an EV but when you have manufactured energy inflation by absolute fools infecting your local/regional politics, it is cost fluctuations that will most likely sway you to Electricity. This has been a prolonged energy spike that has outlasted the two most dramatic spikes in my lifetime: 2005 Hurricane Katrina and 2021 Russia-Ukraine War oil sanctions.
 
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That's why every automaker made a deal to allow its cars to use the Tesla supercharger network. It happened almost all at once in 2023 for a few reasons:
  • Tesla previously wanted other automakers to contribute financially to the infrastructure.
  • Tesla would not switch its connector to the disfigured CCS1 (CCS2 is what's used in Europe).
  • In order to tap into new public funding, Tesla needed to get its competitors to use its plug.
  • The supercharger network was the most robust and reliable charging network in North America, making it desirable for other automakers to support.

In the end, Tesla made changes to its charging system so its communication system went from CAN bus to PLC (Power Line Communication) to support CCS, published and opened NACS up to SAE for standardization, and built a much simpler CCS1 to NACS adapter to support older vehicles.

In the end, instead of taking funding from other automakers, Tesla took funding from the government and allowed competitors to build similar, reliable infrastructure. PlugShare reports there are about 300 non-Tesla NACS fast charging stations in North America now, though very few seem to be in remote locations for long distance trips. On the other hand, Tesla has about 3400 supercharger locations in North America making it the best way for EV drivers to travel long distance.
 
A lot of people have wanted to understand how I can be a massive proponent of EV tech while also refusing to buy one. The article highlights one of many reasons why as I saw it coming miles away (maybe not exactly as I envisioned but in the general ballpark).

I invested in Tesla’s IPO because I know a disruptive technology when I see it, but buying the actual product is a whole different story. I’ve been repeatedly burned by big-tech as an early adopter so that was the first out. Then there is the engine tech, which is undeniably superior. But watt-for-watt, the output and delivery infrastructure for gasoline is still lightyears ahead. Until the convenience, costs, and infrastructure can scale to match that raw efficiency, it’s just a ‘no’ for me. Plus, the environmental costs are mostly just being offloaded to other, equally damaging scenarios anyway so I don’t see the value proposition other than inconveniencing myself to score populism-points.

Finally, there's the whole “connected car” nightmare which is just an outright deal-breaker for me for pretty much any new car these days. I actually like to drive my old car. I get enjoyment out of the experience. Unfortunately, 90% of the software BS packed into modern cars that I cannot turn off just ruins it. I don't want a rolling smartphone that nags me, tracks my data, and/or locks features behind a subscription screen. I’m not interested in paying for a majority of features I don’t want and won’t use. Sure this has been a thing for some time, but we’ve passed critical mass in my book. My 10 year old Lexus is full of completely unused tech just so I could get the navigation component. We’re at the point now where there aren’t improvements, just exploits.

What I want, is a machine built for driving. Sure I want some of the advanced tech, but Im done paying for the privilege being exploited in this market. Until an EV is as clearly superior in daily utility as its torque ratio is to internal combustion and doesn’t automatically come with nag screens, tracking tech, and generally useless garbage software, I’m sticking to my guns and simply won’t buy it. I’ll retrofit an old car before I bother with the new crap being pushed. But that’s me. To each his own.
 
Having just moved from Houston TX to Beaverton OR the only place I had trouble charging on my trip was the panhandle of Texas. Range anxiety drops off as well when you use a proper charging app for the journey. I used ABRP (A Better Route Planner.) It made charging easier and faster since I didn't always have to get to a complete charge to make it to the next one. The other thing I liked is that at 57 years of age I was stopping at proper health intervals for a short walk while charging. Were I in an ICE vehicle I know I would try to go further before refilling? Probably.
 
Some of us have been banging the drum of "you need infrastructure dummy" for ages now. This kind of "is it available? is it locked? Does it exist?" simply does not happen with gas stations, if one is closed or broken there's another 5 minutes away.

The fact this is STILL a problem 15+ years on, coupled with the hike in energy prices from data centers because "the grid cant handle demand" shows we well and truly were not ready for that EV 2035 mandate.
 
Some of us have been banging the drum of "you need infrastructure dummy" for ages now. This kind of "is it available? is it locked? Does it exist?" simply does not happen with gas stations, if one is closed or broken there's another 5 minutes away.

The fact this is STILL a problem 15+ years on, coupled with the hike in energy prices from data centers because "the grid cant handle demand" shows we well and truly were not ready for that EV 2035 mandate.

That is 9 years away. That's almost a decade to ramp up the infrastructure to support EVs. That's a pretty long time.
 
That is 9 years away. That's almost a decade to ramp up the infrastructure to support EVs. That's a pretty long time.
Yeah, and 6 years ago it was 15 years away, that's a decade and a half to ramp up the infrastructure to support EVs. That's a LONGER time.

It hasn't happened yet. The escalating issues with data center power use is testament to that.

Here's what you do right? Real easy. you build the infrastructure FIRST, THEN you push the mandate! Crazy right? Building new power plants is a 10-15 year project, before you factor in the NIMBY lawsuits and environmental studies and community impact studies and so on. Oh yeah, dont forget the decade long backlog for things like transformers that has been brewing for years (but we wont dare increase production domestically for them, that would be evil or something).

There's a very good reason countries are backing away from those silly 35 mandates. They were totally unattainable given our current infrastructure.
 
I hope to live long enough to see the great war for electric power between data center owners and EV owners. Who will win?
 
Surprised at high prices at a dealership, seriously?!! It is only going to get worse with the push to build data centers that we don't have the power infrastructure to support and in many areas the water supply. We are only trading one poison for another, CO2 and hydrocarbons from exhaust or toxic metals and chemicals from EV battery packs. Though they'll probably dump them in a third world country.

I'll stick with my gas powered car.
 
I am curious to see something that is ought to happen within this decade.
I am curious to see what happens to Teslas with 100% dead batteries.
How much will they cost, will there be ability to rebuild batteries
without making the car unattractive to someone looking for a
reliable used ride.
I mean, at some point there will be a lot of EVs that would require
a new battery making them only good as parts donors. Will
the industry learn to bring them back to life without this process
costing too much to even try.

I am aware that Tesla's batteries last long after warranty expires.
But those batteries have a time frame within most of them will fail
regardless of how reliable they are. What is going to happen to those EVs.
Even if someone keeps rebuilding them, there will be shortage of batteries
since one rebuilt battery would probably require several donors with working cells.
 
With the recent gas hike, my EV is now a 1/4th the cost of equivalent gas, from 1/3rd. With solar panels, I should be able to offset 60-70% of my driving needs. The infrastructure in US is vehemently anti-mobility unless its gas (high speed rail can transform goods and cargo shipping, passenger conveniences but no, let's fly or truck everything everywhere), and it's no different for EVs. Range anxiety used to be a thing, now with planning it's doable. Dealers are going to remain stealers, and the only way around is to filter them out and not use their charging infra
 
I used to have an EV and faced some of these issues but I wouldn't say it was a deal breaker. But the high voltage battery failed in less than a year and I got a lemon law buyback for 150% of the vehicle's MSRP. Now I drive a hybrid and don't mind having to stop at a gas station every once in a while.
 
With the recent gas hike, my EV is now a 1/4th the cost of equivalent gas, from 1/3rd. With solar panels, I should be able to offset 60-70% of my driving needs. The infrastructure in US is vehemently anti-mobility unless its gas (high speed rail can transform goods and cargo shipping, passenger conveniences but no, let's fly or truck everything everywhere), and it's no different for EVs. Range anxiety used to be a thing, now with planning it's doable. Dealers are going to remain stealers, and the only way around is to filter them out and not use their charging infra

Good for you. A friend of mine recently had to replace his Tesla battery. It cost about $20k. But he still has range anxiety.
 
I used to have an EV and faced some of these issues but I wouldn't say it was a deal breaker. But the high voltage battery failed in less than a year and I got a lemon law buyback for 150% of the vehicle's MSRP. Now I drive a hybrid and don't mind having to stop at a gas station every once in a while.

Yes. Hybrids are the solution. They're light, efficient and have incredible range. Diesel hybrids last forever. There's a reason why the rail industry went to diesel-electric in the 1930s. Almost 100 years ago. EV fans should wake up.
 
I am curious to see something that is ought to happen within this decade.
I am curious to see what happens to Teslas with 100% dead batteries.
How much will they cost, will there be ability to rebuild batteries
without making the car unattractive to someone looking for a
reliable used ride.
I mean, at some point there will be a lot of EVs that would require
a new battery making them only good as parts donors. Will
the industry learn to bring them back to life without this process
costing too much to even try.

I am aware that Tesla's batteries last long after warranty expires.
But those batteries have a time frame within most of them will fail
regardless of how reliable they are. What is going to happen to those EVs.
Even if someone keeps rebuilding them, there will be shortage of batteries
since one rebuilt battery would probably require several donors with working cells.

True. EV batteries are expensive to recycle because of the toxicity. It's different for ICs. They just put the entire car in a big shredder.
 
Yes. Hybrids are the solution. They're light, efficient and have incredible range. Diesel hybrids last forever. There's a reason why the rail industry went to diesel-electric in the 1930s. Almost 100 years ago. EV fans should wake up.
The reason locomotives use electric motors is far more torque than diesel; which they use to run the generators that supply the current to the electric motors.
 
With the recent gas hike, my EV is now a 1/4th the cost of equivalent gas, from 1/3rd. With solar panels, I should be able to offset 60-70% of my driving needs. The infrastructure in US is vehemently anti-mobility unless its gas (high speed rail can transform goods and cargo shipping, passenger conveniences but no, let's fly or truck everything everywhere), and it's no different for EVs. Range anxiety used to be a thing, now with planning it's doable. Dealers are going to remain stealers, and the only way around is to filter them out and not use their charging infra

High-speed rail? This isn't Europe, with everything in an area less than the size of Texas. Just how many not-metro towns do you know with rail shipping? How many Wal-Marts, Krogers, shopping centers, electrical-generating stations (other than nuclear power plants) have a rail loading dock?

And ... how much does the cost of manufacturing rails, locomotives, and cargo cars add to the "savings"?

You want to save Mother Earth? Then design, build, manufacture, and use the most efficient methods. EV, which requires major investment, major pollution, and child labor overseas, is not it.
 
Good for you. A friend of mine recently had to replace his Tesla battery. It cost about $20k. But he still has range anxiety.
Impossible, we were told that they retain 95% of their charge after 20 years and 6382 charge cycles.
 
Surprised at high prices at a dealership, seriously?!! It is only going to get worse with the push to build data centers that we don't have the power infrastructure to support and in many areas the water supply. We are only trading one poison for another, CO2 and hydrocarbons from exhaust or toxic metals and chemicals from EV battery packs. Though they'll probably dump them in a third world country.

I'll stick with my gas powered car.
I'm thinking of getting an eBike, easier to charge even in an apartment. If it's urgent, I can ride the bus or take an Uber.
 
With the recent gas hike, my EV is now a 1/4th the cost of equivalent gas, from 1/3rd. With solar panels, I should be able to offset 60-70% of my driving needs. The infrastructure in US is vehemently anti-mobility unless its gas (high speed rail can transform goods and cargo shipping, passenger conveniences but no, let's fly or truck everything everywhere), and it's no different for EVs. Range anxiety used to be a thing, now with planning it's doable. Dealers are going to remain stealers, and the only way around is to filter them out and not use their charging infra
That just makes EVs a thing for rich people. Which, while I am not going to quibble over, seems to be losing the whole point.
 
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