@captaincranky Personally, I really do not care if I am in there. What I posted was not from any of those authors. Western civilization is firmly rooted in those "utopian concepts", however, they have never worked.
I am sorry you feel the way you do. I am not interested in hearing about what never worked. My choice of words was poor, yes, but I am a bit tired of listening to personal attacks, and as you reference Mr. Cooley, that seems to be your shtick with him, too. Heaven forbid someone disagrees with you - in which case, as you demonstrated with me in deleted posts, it becomes all about a personal attack. And Yes, I have had posts deleted, too!
Marxism simply never worked because its aims were to control people, not bring out the best in them. What I said may have sounded, to you, like Marxism, but what inspired that is nowhere near Marxism. I was pointing out the flaws with the "modern world." As such, in some ways, I might say, based on your comments, that Marxism, in all its fatal flaws, is alive and well in the modern world; yet, I am sure that there are those who will vehemently deny it.
What I posted has, as it roots, an indigenous influence. At least one person who came to this country before it was a separate country was completely surprised at the fact that on staying with the indigenous population, his belongings were never stolen. There were many others, including people such as Benjamin Franklin, who deeply admired the indigenous population.
I am not saying that the indigenous population was perfect - it was far from that, however, aspects of their society worked and were, IMO, superior to the European influence.
Exploitation, in many different forms, was the European way and it is part of the reason, as I see it, that we have a gigantic plastic island in the Pacific along with numerous other superfund sites. I might as well say that exploitation was a learned behavior, too. People emigrated to this country because of exploitation and other oppressive conditions, however, it seems to me that some of those immigrants became experts in employing the conditions that they ran away from. They forgot the reasons they came here.
IMO, humanity's position as the apex predator has gone to its collective head, and that, as I see it, is part of the problem.
All the best to you, Captain!
This forum consists in large part, of hopeless idealists, which want things done, without the know how, the financing, or the inventions to make it work. That's someone else's job. They just want it.
I can, (or perhaps imagine I can), trace all of modern man's actions, back to the animal side of his nature. Where it gets complicated and unique to man, is when his, "higher brain functions" come into play. We make fun of the monkeys because they throw crap at one another, yet it's all to easy to find "scat porn" on the web, So, how advanced are we.really?
I've lived alone for 35+ years, without minor contact with my estrange son over that time. I do have a perspective about man and his "potential", which you can't possibly embrace being a married man. But I do see the nitty-gritty of what modern man, and modern Americans have become in my detachment .
You apparently are in a position where you, in large part, see the better side of human. I see leeches taking the last 5 dollars off of some poor addicted wh0re, who just had to go down on somebody to get the money.
My opinion of you isn't bad, it's just that you're hopelessly naive, and you absolutely refuse to believe, there are dreadful conditions in the world, which don't come close to equaling your personal Utopia. There are literally billions of people who couldn't understand your philosophies, let alone adhere to them, or build a country with them.
I try to live by the values you eschew, but I'm a small minority. I take my plastic bags back to the supermarket for recycling. When I walk out my front door, I see many times what I've returned, blowing down the street.
As far as your infatuation with indigenous peoples go, keep in mind they were for the most part small populations.
You could view their hunting parties as "wolf packs". We do celebrate Thanksgiving, the feast between the Pilgrims and the "Indians".
France celebrates "Bastille Day", a bloody carnal event.
So, my only real "contempt" or toned down a bit,"disappointment" with you, is the fact that social change requires action, not contemplation. Even the best of philosophies backfire when the man's animal nature distorts them to its own purpose The end result of Adolf Hitler's kidnapping of Nietzsche's writings should make that quite obvious.
IMO, man is not the most intelligent creature evolution has spawned, but the most violent, tawdry, filthy, and most condescending piece of sh!t to hit the planet thus far.
That's a conclusion I;'m sure you and I will never share. But you have to admit, history is on my side, at least thus far.
When revolutionaries get to power crazed, sh!t like this happens:
In 1793, she was sent to the guillotine for the assassination of Jacobin leader Jean-Paul
Marat. She blamed
Marat for the more extreme course the Revolution
had taken. He played a large role in the takedown of the Girondins.
Corday believed in the Girondins' cause.
The genocide(s) no one talks about,
The slaughter of millions of Russians by Stalin
The slaughter of the Mayas and Aztecs, brought about by the conquistadores, under the guise of "bringing the one true god to the heathens". When what it was really about was stealing their gold and bringing it back to the queen of Spain.
Wolves live in packs, man lives in villages,.when either run out of resources they die out. But when man's "wolf pack" gets too big, it becomes unstoppable, consuming everything in its path.
But as I didn't do a point by point quote of your post, I agree that Marxism is alive and well, coexisting with the bourgeois society it denounces. With enough propaganda delivered to those trapped in the Marxian thrall, Aldous Huxley had a folk axiom to justify it, "everybody's happy now".
You still should watch the second ovcharka video I put up, and for the dogs, not the girl. I like when he says, "the pups weigh a stone at about 7 weeks of age".
