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[GodisanAtheist]

Iran no longer has a navy, an air force, and factories for producing long-range ballistic missiles. Once we retrieve the HEU they've enriched, the goals will be complete.

- We've always had the ability to destroy their military, so that's not really something new (much like your strait point below). We still don't have their HEU, so that was a roundabout way of saying we haven't achieved what we set out to do.

You haven't been paying attention. Iran has always had that capability, and they've threatened to do so more than two dozen times in the last few decades. Now, though, their "blockade" consists of 12-foot fishing boats armed with 3 guys with rifles.

- And now we know that the US doesn't have the ability to maintain the freedom of navigation of the strait for their allies everyone presumed it did. Iran's blockade could consist of some purple elephants and a bunch of pink ponies. If ships aren't crossing at anything close to pre-war levels, their blockade is working (and for all the US' naval might, we can't seem to lift the blockade being carried out by 12 foot fishing boats armed with 3 guys with rifles).

Because Iran fears a blockade strangling their economy much more than they do missile attacks at this point. Also, it gives us time to move additional assets to the Strait. The original intent was to have the carrier wing from the Gerard Ford taking out these pesky Iranian speedboats ... but that carrier experienced a fire en route and had to turn back for repairs.

- Are you aware of how incompetent your argument makes this administration sound?

Iran has always been able to blockade the strait, hell they've threatened it a bunch of times but now we need time to move *more* assets into the region even though we had all the time in the world to put together a one and done plan since we're the ones that preemptively attacked Iran.

The IRGC will eat well, it's the Iranian people that will starve and suffer under the blockade. It's always the common people that suffer the most with any kind of sanctions.

 

[Endymio]

- And now we know that the US doesn't have the ability to maintain the freedom of navigation of the strait for their allies everyone presumed it did.

Five tankers transited the Strait yesterday. It's never been completely closed.

What this war revealed is that our "allies" -- those who themselves depend upon an open Strait far, far more than we do -- are utterly unwilling to defend even their own civilian ships from attack. They wish the US to do it all.

- Are you aware of how incompetent your argument makes this administration sound?

What's ludicrous is that you'll never accept that this action has prevented Iran from developing nuclear weapons, at which point it would almost certainly do with them what it's done with all other weapon technology it has -- given it to groups like Hamas and Hezbollah.

The IRGC will eat well, it's the Iranian people that will starve and suffer under the blockade.

Spare us your fake outrage. If you cared about the Iranian people, you would have spoken up when Iran was slaughtering them by the tens of thousands in public squares across the country.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Five tankers transited the Strait yesterday. It's never been completely closed.

What this war revealed is that our "allies" -- those who themselves depend upon an open Strait far, far more than we do -- are utterly unwilling to defend even their own civilian ships from attack. They wish the US to do it all.

- I probably shouldn't even bother responding to this, but for the benefit of any 3rd party that might be reading: It was ~130 ships a day before the war.

And I probably shouldn't bother responding to the second part either, but this war revealed the US was willing to blunder into military action without any sort of consensus building, consultation, or planning with our "allies".

It makes Dubya's Iraq war "coalition of the willing" nonsense seem downright compelling.

What's ludicrous is that you'll never accept that this action has prevented Iran from developing nuclear weapons, at which point it would almost certainly do with them what it's done with all other weapon technology it has -- given it to groups like Hamas and Hezbollah.

- I mean you just said one post ago that we haven't even secured Iran's HEU, so a bit premature no?

Spare us your fake outrage. If you cared about the Iranian people, you would have spoken up when Iran was slaughtering them by the tens of thousands in public squares across the country.

- I don't care about the Iranian people. I'm just saying that this idea that the IRGC is going to somehow collapse because people it never cared about are going to suffer seems like a ridiculous strategy.

 

[Endymio]

And I probably shouldn't bother responding to the second part either, but this war revealed the US was willing to blunder into military action without any sort of consensus building, consultation, or planning with our "allies".

We didn't "blunder" into it. We spent years attempting to get Europe to take action against Iran; they continually refused, as Iran extended its ballistic missile range from 200 to 2,000+ km (capable of striking cities throughout much of Europe) and even enriched enough uranium for a dozen nuclear warheads.

It makes Dubya's Iraq war "coalition of the willing" nonsense

There's no limit to the disinformation you'll push, eh?

 

[GodisanAtheist]

We didn't "blunder" into it. We spent years attempting to get Europe to take action against Iran; they continually refused, as Iran extended its ballistic missile range from 200 to 2,000+ km (capable of striking cities throughout much of Europe) and even enriched enough uranium for a dozen nuclear warheads.

- So that sounds like a Euro problem. Why are we blundering into this again?

We want Europe to up their military spend(and adventurism I guess) and we're tired of getting shafted on domestic services providing for their defense... but now we're going to attack Iran on their behalf? Make it make sense.

There's no limit to the disinformation you'll push, eh?

- Iraq war was a mess. We ironically ended up handing Iran a nice compliant majority Shia nation when all was said and done, did the dirty work of removing Saddam for them.

 

[Endymio]

- So that sounds like a Euro problem. Why are we blundering into this again?

Glad you asked! Because in the last 20 years, Iran increased its missile range from 200 to 2,000 km -- and its latest SRV revisions would, within another 5-6 years, bring all the US itself into range of Iranian nuclear missiles.

Iraq war was a mess...

Remind me, how many nations has Iraq attacked since we replaced Saddam? Oh yes ... zero.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Glad you asked! Because in the last 20 years, Iran increased its missile range from 200 to 2,000 km -- and its latest SRV revisions would, within another 5-6 years, bring all the US itself into range of Iranian nuclear missiles.

- Sounds like its not Europe's problem again? Maybe we should have had an actual plan to go it alone and get the job done without getting gassed 4-6 weeks in.

Remind me, how many nations has Iraq attacked since we replaced Saddam? Oh yes ... zero.

- They weren't a serious threat to anyone after HW neutered them back in '91. Lord I wish HW was in charge right now: he'd have an airtight plan, no ceasefire 4-6 weeks into that war, we'd have already won and this'd be yesterday's news.