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FBI investigating 4chan's DDoS attacks against antipiracy sites

By Emil · 39 replies
Nov 10, 2010
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  1. The FBI is officially investigating the Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attacks that began two months ago. Operation: Payback was carried out by 4Chan's users, who call themselves "Anonymous." The attacks left behind many battered websites belonging to antipiracy and entertainment groups, as well as the US Copyright Office. Some of the smaller ones have yet to recover. The FBI didn't make a public statement, but a "source with knowledge of the probe" told CNET that the bureau may have started probing several weeks a...

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  2. TomSEA

    TomSEA TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 3,014   +1,409

    What a bunch of losers. Can't imagine how much tax payer money this is costing to try and chase down these morons.
  3. Decimae

    Decimae TS Rookie Posts: 78

    So only the people who are behind the biggest problem here, botnets puppetmasters, are the ones least likely to end up being sued? I don't think that's justice.
    I also think a huge bit of the traffic was international, where the FBI has no jurisdiction.
    And with these getting sued, what about the DDoS attack the RIAA hired a company to do, or at least the rumour of that?
  4. PanicX

    PanicX TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 648

    From what I've seen of 4chan, they're mostly kids that are bored and want to be rebellious with out consequences. Problem is that I think its more than likely that most of them, aren't using proxies and have no idea how to be anonymous, and are even likely to delete important system files when prompted by others.
  5. Leeky

    Leeky TS Evangelist Posts: 3,357   +116

    I'm not sure how I feel about this one...

    Was this Indian company not actually publicly admitting they were doing it themselves? If so, they can't expect to be treated any different in response. Lets also not forget the FBI's legal jurisdictional rights ends at its country borders - they have no power in effect over citizens from other countries - that said, I doubt there would be much arguments from a said persons judicial equivalents in there respective country if permission was sought for prosecution.

    The Internet should be free; but not free to the point where it disregards a persons intellectual property rights.

    This is one of those very conjectured Internet topics, and it'll never go away. I think in some ways those of 4Chan did something some of us may have wished we could do, but were otherwise far too grown up to forget the consequences. :haha:
  6. this is some major crap, and no i wasnt one of the attackers.
    instead of hunting real criminal they are looking for some Ddos'ers...
  7. princeton

    princeton TS Addict Posts: 1,674

    Uh 4chan has done more good than alot of other organizations. AKA project chanology. Helping expose that evil cult masquerading as a religion.
  8. TomSEA

    TomSEA TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 3,014   +1,409

    For those saying that the FBI's jurisdiction ends at the borders, that's not entirely correct. They work hand-in-hand with Interpol. Notice many of the attacks weren't just against U.S. based websites. And the FBI can still track down and charge cyber-criminals outside of the U.S. as seen with this recent bust:

  9. PanicX

    PanicX TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 648

    I can't tell why you've quoted me by your reply.
    Thanks, I guess.
  10. "Uh 4chan has done more good than alot of other organizations. AKA project chanology. Helping expose that evil cult masquerading as a religion."

    They've also done a lot of highly ****ed up things, up to and including random death threats. The whole thing is pretty decentralized, so saying '4chan did x, 4chan did y' is a bit like saying 'the people of California did x,' or 'one-eyed people did y,' just because a few people who fitted under that umbrella were involved. In other words, since there is no hierarchy or accepted dogma, one member cannot be fairly held responsible for the actions of another.

    I would suggest, however, that if you read through a substantial amount of encyclopedia dramatica and don't find any of it at least a little sickening, you should probably check yourself in with a psychiatrist pretty sharpish.
  11. AbsolutGaloot

    AbsolutGaloot TS Rookie Posts: 92

    I'll be amazed if they actually manage to get anything important done or even impact 4chan at all.
  12. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,929   +15

    Yup.. wasted tax payers money. Goes to show the people in charge of our money are sometimes *****s. Like all those hours will really change anything. Seee the bigger picture.
  13. Cryptopsy

    Cryptopsy TS Enthusiast Posts: 46

    forget your taxes... thats not the point, they just WON'T ever get the responsible for this. thats the point of a ddos + zombie PCs hop and hop and hop, no chance to get him/them.
  14. madboyv1

    madboyv1 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,524   +412

    Or, people need to develop thicker skin? Not pertinent to the article or comments on hand, but I've been tired of how everyone and everything needs to be politically correct nowadays. Overzealous fingerpointing, overreactions, and that a single word taken out of context can potentially put people to ruin socially, politically, and economically is far more sickening than the random crap you can find on a shock site like dramatica, which is intentionally trying to offend people.
  15. vangrat

    vangrat TS Rookie Posts: 223

    ...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ROFLMAO omg that is so frakin funny...wow.

    Obviously the FBI does not understand the affects of mass rage. I just have this vision of them trying to subpoena 3000-5000 people XD all named Anonymous, HAH!
  16. RIAA and MPAA! This will probaly happen again. FBI dont waste time on DDoS attacks, go arrest some drugs dealers, lords, pimps, phedo bears, etc. Earth will be a lot happier place without them than without zombie network.
  17. Leeky

    Leeky TS Evangelist Posts: 3,357   +116

    Forgive my ignorance, but I thought they only investigated federal crimes, not common crimes like the Police do? Or are those sorts of crimes deemed federal?

    Or is the FBI like the super-cops of the USA?

    I always find your law enforcement strange. Here in the UK we just have the Police, they deal with all crimes, big or small. Then we have intelligence agencies like MI-5, and the super secret MI6 intelligence agencies.

    You guys have the Police, DEA, FBI, CIA, US Marshalls Service, and countless others. lol.
  18. Jetatt23

    Jetatt23 TS Rookie Posts: 28

    I agree that anti-piracy methods are getting out of hand, but retaliating like this is not the solution. It is only going to cause the RIAA, MPAA, and other organizations scale up their efforts and waste money. The people doing these actions need to realize that not all content can be free on the internet, otherwise there would be no worthwhile content. This is capitalism
  19. TwiztidSef

    TwiztidSef TS Rookie Posts: 49

    I do think 4chan is a pit of despair and has done alot of things wrong, however I do believe that a place like 4chan is bound to exist. I think the internet as a whole accurately represents society, and stuff like that. So there must be a place like this. I have spent time on 4chan and it does have quite a few douchbags but there are cool people. I heard of reports of people anonymously begging for rent money and actually having someone pay them. Whether it was a scam or the real deal, the fact someone was willing to pay money to keep someone off the streets is a good thing. Also most visitors love cats. Its weird.

    As for the record companies, I don't really care about them. I would rather have a record company that put all the copyright power and legal power to the artist. *pipe dream*
  20. interstate commerce clause, anything that uses the internet can be federal if they decide to go after you.
  21. KG363

    KG363 TS Guru Posts: 519   +12

    Waste of my money
  22. Trillionsin

    Trillionsin TS Evangelist Posts: 1,758   +368

    Maybe the stuff people are pirating shouldn't be so damn expensive. I know that would change my mind.... about something... not to be too vague, but to be entirely vague indeed.

    4chan's /b/ is quite interesting. As most feel like they have good intentions most are just followers who dont really know what they are doing. As this site gets more attention there become more users. If 4chan goes down, they will just find a new place to call themselves "anon." This battle is futile and will be untill the infrastructure of the internet is changed.. and I'm not even really sure what I am talking about.
  23. Puiu

    Puiu TS Evangelist Posts: 3,196   +1,647

    they'll catch one or two people, put them in jail and then the FBI website will be attacked by stupid kids who don't know better. But it's highly unlikely that the FBI will be able to do something about these attacks. There's just too many and to spread across the world. Waste of huge amounts of money.
  24. Emin3nce

    Emin3nce TS Rookie Posts: 129

    Power to the people.

    Same argument that's been happening a long time. A group of people are unhappy about the ruling party. When the rulers raise the taxes to fight the rioting villagers, those that had no interest become angry at the rioters.

    History repeats.
  25. pheonixnexus

    pheonixnexus TS Rookie Posts: 17

    It really bugs me that they keep saying "4chan" as if 4 chan backs them. "Anonymous" talks threw "4chan" the internet board. so it like saying the "school library" is responsible for the "chess club" beating the other schools at chess. so we close the the "library"? NO!!! you beat the "chess club" at chess! I think it wrong a site for communication is taking heat form what people not affiliated to it did!

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