FDA will ban all flavored vapes after news of deadly lung illness

slamscaper

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AFTERTHOUGHT: If the FDA is going to ban flavored vapes, shouldn't they ban menthol flavored cigarettes right along with them?
VERY good point. I did read the ban is supposed to include both mint and menthol eliquid, leaving only tobacco flavored eliquid as an option. So why are menthol cigarettes okay then?

There are so many shady things going on here with this ban that I can't even begin to mention them all in the scope of just one post. We certainly have many different agenda's at play here, including those from big tobacco (whom interestingly just bought Juul's parent company right before all the illness reports came in), the FDA, CDC, the white house, and the media (both the government controlled media and the real media).
 

3volv3d

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You can't ban cigarettes. They make a fortune in money, charities make a fortune towards cancer treatments, and yes lots of that money gets pocketed by fat charity cats. And money is everything to these sick people.

Also if you ban smoking, kiss the planet goodbye. You need 500,000 a year dying from that crap just to keep the numbers down. That and alcohol related deaths, including drink driving incidents. And again they will always be there while its a taxable source.

Trump told reporters at the Oval Office that "we may very well have to do something very, very strong about it," ...

You may find that he actually meant, we may have to ban this stuff if we can't find a way to make a butt load of cash out of it via the taxation option.

But seriously if you stop people from killing themselves... you will save people, and sorry but with global warming ( which is on the increase cause South America are dumbasses who are wiping out rainforests and oxygen...) and the decrease of resources ratio to population... see where I am going.
 

captaincranky

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You can't ban cigarettes. They make a fortune in money, charities make a fortune towards cancer treatments, and yes lots of that money gets pocketed by fat charity cats. And money is everything to these sick people.

Also if you ban smoking, kiss the planet goodbye. You need 500,000 a year dying from that crap just to keep the numbers down. That and alcohol related deaths, including drink driving incidents. And again they will always be there while its a taxable source.
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-Well, first, we're all responsible for our own addictions. You can lead a prostitute to a spoonful of heroin, but her pimp usually has to force her to shoot it.

As far as the high school cheerleader who became addicted to oxycodone after she pulled a muscle cheering for her school's losing team, no sympathy from me there either.

FWIW, they sent me home from open heart surgery on Tylenol..!

And so it goes with nicotine, in whatever format it's administered.

As for "500.000 have to die from cigarettes every year for population control", that's outright asinine. The damage and cost to the healthcare industry, and the insurance company premiums the rest of us have to pay for that half million's addiction, is an outrageous and unnecessary burden.

Aldous Huxley figured out a rather pleasant overall, and much lower cost method of population control in his masterpiece novel, "Brave New World". You should try reading it sometime.
 
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psycros

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AFTERTHOUGHT: If the FDA is going to ban flavored vapes, shouldn't they ban menthol flavored cigarettes right along with them?
One of the most popular vape flavors is menthol. Why? Because people are using them to kick cigarettes..but we can't endanger all that juicy tax revenue, now can we?
 

3volv3d

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-Well, first, we're all responsible for our own addictions. You can lead a prostitute to a spoonful of heroin, but her pimp usually has to force her to shoot it.

As far as the high school cheerleader who became addicted to oxycodone after she pulled a muscle cheering for her school's losing team, no sympathy from me there either.

FWIW, they sent me home from open heart surgery on Tylenol..!

And so it goes with nicotine, in whatever format it's administered.

As for "500.000 have to die from cigarettes every year for population control", that's outright asinine. The damage and cost to the healthcare industry, and the insurance company premiums the rest of us have to pay for that half million's addiction, is an outrageous and unnecessary burden.

Aldous Huxley figured out a rather pleasant overall, and much lower cost method of population control in his masterpiece novel, "Brave New World". You should try reading it sometime.
Ah yes, but you are thinking in a capitalistic way. Thats the problem with the conundrum that is how to save the freaking planet from the virus that is humanity, when it wants to be just that, a destructful virus, and instead of looking at the bigger picture, we look at money, which, is a man made thing, and another cause to the problems we have.

You can't have your cake and eat it ffs.... you have them wanting to sell cigarettes, because they make a ton of easy money. And they want you to die. Believe me that's the whole survival of the fittest to them.
And you are complaining that it costs people so much money in taxations for a system whic my friend is broken cause half the money they tax they pocket and don't use to help those dying of cancer etc so... kind of hard to see ya point there when thats their whole freaking game plan.

At the end of the day the people on this planet wanna shag and spread, feel they have the rights, human rights, which they apparently do, to do what they want when they want and its that mentality of these democratic ways which are causing our whole f...in planet to be screwed. But whatever man, I can't convnice anyone. No one else gets it. And so its moot and we are just heading to a very fast catalysmic end.
 

captaincranky

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Ah yes, but you are thinking in a capitalistic way. Thats the problem with the conundrum that is how to save the freaking planet from the virus that is humanity, when it wants to be just that, a destructful virus, and instead of looking at the bigger picture, we look at money, which, is a man made thing, and another cause to the problems we have.

You can't have your cake and eat it ffs.... you have them wanting to sell cigarettes, because they make a ton of easy money. And they want you to die. Believe me that's the whole survival of the fittest to them.
And you are complaining that it costs people so much money in taxations for a system whic my friend is broken cause half the money they tax they pocket and don't use to help those dying of cancer etc so... kind of hard to see ya point there when thats their whole freaking game plan.

At the end of the day the people on this planet wanna shag and spread, feel they have the rights, human rights, which they apparently do, to do what they want when they want and its that mentality of these democratic ways which are causing our whole f...in planet to be screwed. But whatever man, I can't convnice anyone. No one else gets it. And so its moot and we are just heading to a very fast catalysmic end.
Please don't try to talk out of my a** for me, you're not good at it. None of what you claim I said, comes close to my meaning.

If you don't want to die from cigarettes, don't smoke them. Is that plain spoken enough? Should everything be banned because this generation, appears to firmly believe that everything, each and every member does, is the fault of another entity? No.

As far as your horse dropping go about how, "everybody wants to shag whenever and wherever they feel like", that seems to be working out for the ghetto prince "baby daddies", who flagrantly leave their "seed(s)", in every willing receptacle. I think they call the offspring, "jewels in the crown.

Thomas Malthus said in the 1800's that "population would become a problem", and he was scorned by many. Many believed, (and still do), the, "technology would find ways to feed the multitudes", it hasn't, and it won't. Why, because it's blatantly too expensive for the poor to implement these solutions.

White people in the US have reached a point of null population growth. Birth and death rates are at equity. Which is arguably good. However, in a supposedly Democratic society, where "one man equals one vote", it's all too easy for a "minority with their own interests at heart", to simply breed themselves into power.

You don't want want too get too deep into this with me, since my primary advocacy and potential,solution for overpopulation, is same same as it is for any other zoo animal and house pets, either mandatory birth control, or mandatory sterilization.

Go read Huxley. He had it figured out how to have plenty of sex, without overpopulation, now going on a hundred years ago. And read a bit of Malthus while you'r at it.

As a final thought, the US is heading toward an "Amazonian Democracy". Sexual Harassment charges no longer have to be proven to cost a person his reputation and position. And while I full well realize many charges can be substantiated, others point toward an backdoor ulterior motives on the part of feminists. Feminists which I might add, are all too eager to use their feminity to move their agenda forward.
 
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wiyosaya

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But's that's not really the question. Regardless of who the Democratic party nominates, it's a given you're going to vote for them. The question, and paramount issue, is who can beat Trump in the national election. It's a slam dunk that you voted for Hillary, in spite of what your personal feelings toward her as a potential president might have been. But she lost anyway.

Something to consider for all those in the audience who think the Electoral College should be abolished, is that if it did its job as the framers intended, we wouldn't be stuck with the d*ck head we are now. He honestly isn't fit for the office.
Absolutely agree about the electoral college - even if it was deemed necessary at the time to keep the less-knowledgeable populace from voting for a dolt - but in this case, well, I think you get my drift. :laughing:

I am not so sure that it will be a question of who can beat Humpty Trumpty on a national level. Yes, I agree, that will be a big part of it, however, there are a growing number of people out there sick of Humpty Trumpty's daily antics, slamming everyone and everything, the revolving door of the WH, a lame deal with Canada and Mexico that promised better incomes for farmers yet fails to deliver that at all, farmers rather upset at not being able to sell goods to China, companies suffering because of tariffs whether on imports or exports and countless other things that make compiling a list of dislikes regarding Humpty Trumpty an onerous task.

I did indeed vote for Clinton, however, she was a choice of the, IMO, less of two evils. Honestly, if it comes down to that this time, assuming the democrats nominate someone with even an Higgs particle of integrity, it could easily swing the other way. At least I hope so. Personally, I think Humpty Trumpty stands a good chance of starting WWIII if he gets a second term - not to mention the morass all his other policies are starting. To me, he's nothing better than a drug dealer - giving people what they think they need when in reality he's giving them a total load of :poop:

For example, have a look at this - https://www.wsj.com/articles/cities-going-to-hell-trumps-epa-to-put-san-francisco-on-notice-for-homeless-11568865080

I am sure all the righties will say "Good for him. Bad San Francisco" however, I think this is beyond ludicrous, and a sheer demonstration of idi0cy.

We shall see.
 

3volv3d

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White people in the US have reached a point of null population growth. Birth and death rates are at equity. Which is arguably good. However, in a supposedly Democratic society, where "one man equals one vote", it's all too easy for a "minority with their own interests at heart", to simply breed themselves into power.

You don't want want too get too deep into this with me, since my primary advocacy and potential,solution for overpopulation, is same same as it is for any other zoo animal and house pets, either mandatory birth control, or mandatory sterilization.
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I didn't mean to offend, I was tired and ranted off in a reply to just stick up for my previous crap. But I do agree with you, that we should have a form of sterilization. And you are right that technology won't solve the problem because again it will cost money and the poor people couldn't afford the super food tax. I am too poor for an electric vehicle to help the planet, as are many. So we continue to head the wrong direction really don't we?

No urgency to fix things while the rich are enjoying the money rolling in. Capitalism means you can't level out the playing field, you have to have poor and rich, you have to have a world that continues to separate the people. Until the poor unite for a revolution.
 
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Peter L

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IMO, these things should never be sold to an under-aged person and should be treated as regular tobacco. In my country, teenagers are prohibited to buy these things. The common problems of the proliferation of these vices are due to the store fronts who keep selling to under-aged people and adults who entice or offer under-aged people to try these vices. No amount of government will-power can ever stop these vices from spreading and in turn result in this deadly disease. It starts with responsible people to stop these vices from spreading. Do not sell these to minors if you are a responsible person or owner of a store.
 

MaXtor

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The vape flavor ban in New York was blocked today.

"People familiar with the case say the federal judge has asked the state to produce evidence that deaths from vaping contaminated and black market THC products are related to flavors, specifically the banning of flavors."

There is no evidence to support such a case. :)