First US road that charges electric vehicles while they drive will be ready next year

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captaincranky

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People want 1 mode of transport to get to their destination. Not, jump in a car, drive to train station, jump out of train into bus or taxi. Yeah, nah.
People (Homo sapiens), always want the "best way" to be their way, and they don't care, or even give a thought, to how much it would cost, or how it would affect others. This tendency has been listed under the "7 deadly sins". Look up "greed".
 

captaincranky

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Lithium battery disposal is just as rotten as cobalt mining.
Which us why we leave it to the Chinese, who apparently could care less. Whom maybe, (though highly doubtfully), have more advanced ways of dealing with it. If we did away with OSHA and the EPA, the problem would no longer manifest itself here either. :rolleyes:

Yes kidz, I'm joking, don't get your designer knickers in a twist.
 

captaincranky

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This would be cooler if the power transmission was done through street lights that are giant Tesla coils shooting lightning beams at cars while they drive by.
WTF are you talking about? A high pressure sodium light bulb has absolutely nothing to do with a functioning Tesla coil.

If you don't believe me, go stand under a streetlight and try to charge up your iPhone.
 

captaincranky

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But it's burdened by choice. If you are smart with your money, you get the 1st two years at a tech school that is basically paid for by the state (our taxes). Transfer those two years to a 4-year college that you can afford. Most companies don't ask where you went to school, they just want to know you got your degree.
There's too many variables here to accept this as a blanket "truth". While it is true that many colleges and universities accept community college credits, it's by no means a certainty that a CC alumni, would measure up to the standards of say Harvard Law.

The "Peter Principal" works its way into the quality of the student. A community college may be a student's "level of incompetence". At which point they should they take their degree and get the hell outta their, rather than jump into the deep end of the pool, as in say, University of Penn Med School.
 

loki1944

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Were too fat, and have been brainwashed to ''own a car'' is a indicator of ''success''. but that will change .. a lot of kids coming out of college now don't even own a car, they uber and care-share.
Using uber is not equivalent to long range travel. If you own a car you are able to maneuver independently. The independent part is the reason Americans have been moving via personal transportation since 1776.
 

Hodor

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Basically, trains have been around for so long, obviously it isn't the solution to transport. Otherwise, everyone would be using it already. In reality, we as a race are lazy (or smart) and want to use the less amount of energy as possible to achieve a goal. That leaves more energy for the fun stuff :)


Actually, in Europe (especially Germany, France, etc) a lot of people use trains to go to work. They drive for like 5 minutes from home to the nearest train station, jump into the train, and then spend around 30 minutes traveling by fast train. When they reach their destination, usually a bigger city, they switch to the local transportation (subway or tram) for the last part of the trip.

Considering that train travels at around 300 km/h (186 mph) they come to the destination faster. And they can even take a nap during those 30 minutes.

It just shows it's a completely viable and practical way of travel, as long as your local oil corporations don't finance gangs to attack people in subways and trains, in order to increase gasoline consumption. Which in Europe didn't happen.
 

TheRealSCDC

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I've heard the argument about the toxic chemicals in batteries before, and there are quite a few companies working on the problem.
Plus, and yes, I know its not here yet, there are a large number of companies working on battery storage that is not based on Li, such as Al. Perhaps, read up on it.
Also cracks me up the anti-oil crowd. while just about everything they are using has petroleum in it.
 

p51d007

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People keep talking about busses, trains, public transportation. That's all well in good...if you live in Europe, including Norway, Sweden, England etc
The United States land area is 3,119,884.69 square miles
Europe land area is 3,930,000 sq mi (including Norway, Sweden, England)
And this doesn't take into account Hawaii & Alaska, just the 48 states.
In other words, The U.S.A. takes up a lot of room and would be pretty much impossible
to have bus/trains to cover the entire population of the U.S.A. We are SPREAD OUT.
I guess the alternative would be to have everyone move to a large population center, build
huge apartment buildings, shove everyone into those and make most of the USA a NO TRAVEL
zone??? <sarcasm>



 

waclark

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I have also taken Amtrak from Portland to about as far as Centralia. It's about an hour an a half train ride and fairly comfortable. I would definitely be all in if we had a bullet train capable of 200+ mph.
There was talk at one time of a high speed rail up and down the W coast. If I could jump on a train and go from Seattle to LA with maybe 4 or 5 (quick) total stops, I'd be all over that.
 

scavengerspc

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So much here needs corrected. But I'm just loving reading the internet engineers comments so much I have left it alone.

"I figured out a new way to lie through to my teeth so, Green is really Ungreen"

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TheRealSCDC

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People keep talking about busses, trains, public transportation. That's all well in good...if you live in Europe, including Norway, Sweden, England etc
The United States land area is 3,119,884.69 square miles
Europe land area is 3,930,000 sq mi (including Norway, Sweden, England)
And this doesn't take into account Hawaii & Alaska, just the 48 states.
In other words, The U.S.A. takes up a lot of room and would be pretty much impossible
to have bus/trains to cover the entire population of the U.S.A. We are SPREAD OUT.
I guess the alternative would be to have everyone move to a large population center, build
huge apartment buildings, shove everyone into those and make most of the USA a NO TRAVEL
zone??? <sarcasm>
THIS!!!!
 

AlaskaGuy

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So much here needs corrected. But I'm just loving reading the internet engineers comments so much I have left it alone.

"I figured out a new way to lie to my teeth so, from now on, Green is really Ungreen"

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Read up on cobalt mining, lithium battery disposal and bird butchering wind farms for starters.
 

captaincranky

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Read up on cobalt mining, lithium battery disposal and bird butchering wind farms for starters.
OK, first let me say thus "highway that charges your car while you drive", is flat out, the stupidest, most wasteful idea, I've seen in my lifetime" Just imagine the amount of copper wire that would be used, and the line losses that would be encountered trying to adapt a system that barely works on cellphones, let alone charge an electric car while it's moving.

This whole cockamamie idea us rotted in profit, and predicated in people's paranoia about global warming

As for "bird butchering wind farms", while this may be true, keep in mind we almost wiped out the bald eagle with that "miracle insecticide" DDT. Also, how many species we are forcing into extinction via loss of habitat and global warming. Which, (IMO), more than balances out losses from bird/turbine encounters.

So, the only real solution to global warming, is reduction of the human population. But nobody here seems to want to even consider.that.too many people cause more pollution than the earth can handle. All this devotion to "going green", only prolongs the inevitable.

In 1968 The Rolling Stones released a song entitled, "Salt of the Earth". This was only 54 years ago. The line in the song that strikes me the most us, "let's drink to the two thousand millions" It's scary that we've hit almost quadruple that number in only 5 decades, give or take..

So, for your listening and your reading pleasure, (should you feel so inclined), I give you these:

All of this leads me to wax nostalgic thinking, "if we knew then, what we know now, what a far better place earth would be.

Oh, and BTW,kept our zippers up a bit more. ;)
 
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scavengerspc

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Read up on cobalt mining, lithium battery disposal and bird butchering wind farms for starters.
Again? So if I do, will you promise to read all the proof I can give you, again?
See another problem with you righties is if we cut emissions by, say, 50%, you geniuses still come back and say we still have emissions. So the 50% cut is null and void since there is still some pollution? Give me a damn break.

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As far as the rights sudden concern for bird welfare, read this.

And Im posting this for you for the last time.
(Not really, because I'm sure you will conveniently forget it as soon as you can)


 
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Dimitrios

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Needless to say, I personally don't want to hop on a "train" with 25 other people I don't know. It's a dangerous world we live, especially now with Progressives in the USA wanting to get rid of law enforcement. Hell, even criminals don't get sentenced much anymore. Add all of the illegal aliens flooding into our country.

On the plus side, we would have been over the whole COVID thing in 2 months. Everyone would have gotten it, herd immunity. Done. No closings, lockdowns, masks or other gov't nonsense.

Before I read your comment I literally just got done watching this article about Australia discussing this issue in America. Perfect Timing ;-)

 

Sir Sparkles

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Innovation has to start somewhere.
The inventor of the first car with wooden wheels running on vegetable oil never imagined millions of cars driving around moving people everywhere and horses being pets or racing animals.
Yet here we are...
 

captaincranky

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Innovation has to start somewhere.
The inventor of the first car with wooden wheels running on vegetable oil never imagined millions of cars driving around moving people everywhere and horses being pets or racing animals.
Yet here we are...
Have you ever considered that it has to end somewhere? Here might be the point just before "nowhere".

People are howling about how electrics are going to overtax the electric grid. Now WTF do you think a network of "electric highways are going to do? Not to mention the massively inefficient and lossy wireless charging method.

Besides, how will people charge their flying cars, (which if you believe startup company bullsh!t are just around the corner,) if they don't park them in the middle of the road?

Speaking of horses, did you know the some logging operations have gone back o using draft horses for pulling logs out of the woods? It seems they do less damage to the environment than bulldozers.
 

Sir Sparkles

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Have you ever considered that it has to end somewhere? Here might be the point just before "nowhere".

People are howling about how electrics are going to overtax the electric grid. Now WTF do you think a network of "electric highways are going to do? Not to mention the massively inefficient and lossy wireless charging method.

Besides, how will people charge their flying cars, (which if you believe startup company bullsh!t are just around the corner,) if they don't park them in the middle of the road?

Speaking of horses, did you know the some logging operations have gone back o using draft horses for pulling logs out of the woods? It seems they do less damage to the environment than bulldozers.
Flying cars. Nice comeback... lol
So you are able to recognise issues that you are unable to envision a solution to solve, which is why there are people much smarter than you (or I) working on solving these problems.
Moore's Law may have leveled out with our current silicon technology but they are working on better ways of doing everything. The young, the innovative, the one's who have the vision for the future are the one's who will change things. Not the oldies moaning griping on forums.
 

AlaskaGuy

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Again? So if I do, will you promise to read all the proof I can give you, again?
See another problem with you righties is if we cut emissions by, say, 50%, you geniuses still come back and say we still have emissions. So the 50% cut is null and void since there is still some pollution? Give me a damn break.

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As far as the rights sudden concern for bird welfare, read this.

And Im posting this for you for the last time.
(Not really, because I'm sure you will conveniently forget it as soon as you can)


The left loves their cheap slave labor hence the push for open borders and kissing China's arse. 70% of the world's cobalt comes from the Congo.

 

scavengerspc

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The left loves their cheap slave labor hence the push for open borders and kissing China's arse. 70% of the world's cobalt comes from the Congo.

Ok, we are changing the subject again. It's ok, don't worry about the education you got in previous posts. I'm sure you will forget soon.

And here we are, I have to repeat myself again.

Not myself or anyone I know regardless of their politics is in favor of slave or child labor. I wasn't the last time you deflected with this subject, and I'm still not.
But I would like you to tell me what you own, something you bought simply because you wanted to avoid a product that had forced labor in the equation.
 

captaincranky

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The left loves their cheap slave labor hence the push for open borders and kissing China's arse. 70% of the world's cobalt comes from the Congo.
Let's be serious for a moment. If we interpolate your responses, we would have to say that right wing Republicans don't shop at Walmart. Which is a serious stretch, if not an outright lie.

Or maybe the right doesn't use cellphones because they're made in China, which is more outright nonsense..

All people in America want high paychecks and low prices. Public greed and decadence is the root cause of all the problems we now face, and no amount of campaign rhetoric or bullsh!t from Donald Trump, or any other a**hole politician is going to change that.

Besides, if we started cobalt mining in this country, then you'd switch sides, and start whimpering about the "environmental impact" Which is weird because the "Great Pumpkin:, was a covid, and climate change denier. Now, do windmills kill birds, cause cancer, or both? Make up your fu*cking mind.
As near as I can tell, you're still butthurt about Biden stopping the pipeline from Alaska. Are oil pipelines "environmentally friendly.? Hell no. So stop switching sides to gain a stroke, and let's move on.
 

captaincranky

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So you are able to recognise issues that you are unable to envision a solution to solve, which is why there are peop
No, I am simply suggesting that this "charge your car while you're driving" highway, is just a profiteering fantasy, for the following reasons:
1: highways are extremely expensive to build.
2: wireless charging is inefficient, and requires close contact with the object device.
3: field density drops drastically with distance. The inverse cube law attaches to an electrical field the same as it does with illumination..
4: Copper is becoming fairly rare. Considering mining's environmental impact, how many strip mines would you have to dig to supply the necessary copper to wire the nation's highway system?
5: considering the line losses involved with wireless charging, how many more power plants would you have to build to reinforce the grid?

The next thing you know, some a**hole will suggest we pump liquid nitrogen under the road to make the coils super conducting. Oops, another impracticality.and massive cost overrun

To be sure, there are solutions born out of need, while others are born out of greed and hysteria. This "car charging roadway", definitely falls into the latter category.

A "solution" should be just that. Not some pointless exercise in doing something just to prove it can be done
 

scavengerspc

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No, I am simply suggesting that this "charge your car while you're driving" highway, is just a profiteering fantasy, for the following reasons:
1: highways are extremely expensive to build.
2: wireless charging is inefficient, and requires close contact with the object device.
3: field density drops drastically with distance. The inverse cube law attaches to an electrical field the same as it does with illumination..
4: Copper is becoming fairly rare. Considering mining's environmental impact, how many strip mines would you have to dig to supply the necessary copper to wire the nation's highway system?
5: considering the line losses involved with wireless charging, how many more power plants would you have to build to reinforce the grid?

The next thing you know, some a**hole will suggest we pump liquid nitrogen under the road to make the coils super conducting. Oops, another impracticality.and massive cost overrun

To be sure, there are solutions born out of need, while others are born out of greed and hysteria. This "car charging roadway", definitely falls into the latter category.

A "solution" should be just that. Not some pointless exercise in doing something just to prove it can be done
You're doing it again Cap. ;)
You are dismissing tech because it doesn't make sense right now.

Not to mention if it wasn't possible or suffered from problems that couldn't be solved they wouldn't be building it.
 
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