Note that at the time of my post, Azshadi had not yet expressed any undeserved sarcasm. The "googling to try and save face" had not yet been established. The boycotting was literally the original source of the argument. You were ultimately against the 1060 3gb specifically for it's naming scheme, not it's performance. In the end, yes it's customer misinformation to label it a full 1060, or at least to not differentiate the 6gb as "1060ti" just like it's customer misinformation to declare the gtx 970 had 4gb of Ddr5 memory when it had only 3.5. Ultimately that point is irrelevant in both cases as the card performs perfectly in line with Nvidias specifications.
GeForce GTX 1060 3GB vs. Radeon RX 570 4GB: 2018 Update
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My 2cents:
I bought a GTX 1060 3GB last summer, knowingly what were at hand (less mem, less cuda, lower clock).
But I had other criterion in mind than just perf, cost and mem:
- smaller consumption because I play mostly light games (heaviest is TitanFall2)
- quieter
- price in my region. Last year, prices were crazy but I needed a card. If I could have waited 1 more year, I would have chosen differently.
- CUDA (for video editing)
But I'm totally with you. The naming scheme is awful.
I bought a GTX 1060 3GB last summer, knowingly what were at hand (less mem, less cuda, lower clock).
But I had other criterion in mind than just perf, cost and mem:
- smaller consumption because I play mostly light games (heaviest is TitanFall2)
- quieter
- price in my region. Last year, prices were crazy but I needed a card. If I could have waited 1 more year, I would have chosen differently.
- CUDA (for video editing)
But I'm totally with you. The naming scheme is awful.
Excellent article and accurate as ever. I have only one complaint and that is that if you are reviewing a GPU you should include crypto mining benchmarks as well as gaming benchmarks. Whether you like it or not Cryptos are here to stay and having more info is also more fun and could attract more readers.
Nice review Steve. So glad you give proper treatment to the midrange cards and not just 12 reviews of the 1080ti from various venders.
The only thing that is questionable is using 32gb of ram.
Look, I get using the fastest cpu to avoid a bottleneck, however, 32 gb is just not a realistic size for this card's target.
16gb and 8gb of ram are far more common for those that purchase these cards. Not saying it would make a huge difference, but we did see the 3gb struggle a bit when there was not enough ram to back up the 3gb buffer:
https://www.techspot.com/amp/article/1535-how-much-ram-do-you-need-for-gaming/page2.html
Overall, both look to be solid 1080p cards and finally affordable for casual gamers!
The only thing that is questionable is using 32gb of ram.
Look, I get using the fastest cpu to avoid a bottleneck, however, 32 gb is just not a realistic size for this card's target.
16gb and 8gb of ram are far more common for those that purchase these cards. Not saying it would make a huge difference, but we did see the 3gb struggle a bit when there was not enough ram to back up the 3gb buffer:
https://www.techspot.com/amp/article/1535-how-much-ram-do-you-need-for-gaming/page2.html
Overall, both look to be solid 1080p cards and finally affordable for casual gamers!
Friend A gets a 1060 with 6 gb ram. Friend B also gets a 1060 but decides to save a few bucks because it has lower vram though it shouldnt matter as he plays on lower settings. This is was true for cards in the past such as a 4gb 480 instead of an 8gb 480. What wasnt clear is the lower Cuda cores.
Reviewers have expressed regret not pushing back on this practice. Fast forward to today and we end up with the DDR4 version of a " GTX 1030"
"Perfectly in line with Nvidias specifications"
WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT EVEN MEAN??
Abraka
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These benchmarks show that it's all about cheating. The green team was bribing the game developers more in the past (as many articles have shown on TechSpot and elsewhere), and AMD is trying to catch up with Nvidia in cheating.
Instead of fighting to increase the performance of the games, dev teams are fighting to decrease the "enemy" performance more than perf of their sponsor. Gamers are the losers here. Your card will underperform in both cases. It's just that in Nvidia-sponsored-games the Nvidia cards will underperform less than AMD, while in AMD-sponsored-games it will be the opposite.
The point is to make the shaders perform "worse on their card than on our". Also, I bet they have different shading scripts for Nvidia and AMD, one optimized and the other horrible.
The only exception is PUBG which runs horribly on all hardware, because it's a crappy game.
Instead of fighting to increase the performance of the games, dev teams are fighting to decrease the "enemy" performance more than perf of their sponsor. Gamers are the losers here. Your card will underperform in both cases. It's just that in Nvidia-sponsored-games the Nvidia cards will underperform less than AMD, while in AMD-sponsored-games it will be the opposite.
The point is to make the shaders perform "worse on their card than on our". Also, I bet they have different shading scripts for Nvidia and AMD, one optimized and the other horrible.
The only exception is PUBG which runs horribly on all hardware, because it's a crappy game.
NightAntilli
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No it doesn't fall perfectly in line with nVidia's specifications. When anything more than 3.5GB was used, the GTX 970 became literally unplayable.
In case of the GTX 1060 3GB, the name implies it is exactly as fast as a GTX 1060 6GB, but with half the memory, and this is not true either.
It's deliberate deception of the consumer, and I refuse to promote such cards. Do they perform well? Yes they do, but that is not the point.
Imagine going to a restaurant, ordering chicken, and thinking it tasted good and you dined well, had a good time and went home happy. After a few week a report from inspection is released and turns out all the chicken dishes in that restaurant were rat meat. Imagine getting lambasted by fans of the restaurant, where they argue that the meat doesn't matter, because the experience you had was fine. That is the equivalent of what is happening here.
But hey, enjoy your rats.
Squid Surprise
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Um.... you may have enjoyed the meal, but the rat was probably diseased, which you’d be angry about after the fact cause now you need to go to the doctor and get tested for various stuff.... it is not a valid comparison as a video card won’t give you any illnesses...
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Squid Surprise
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Where did you see what drivers they used? And the original comparison was over a year ago, this was a revisit... what are you actually complaining about?
Benjiwenji
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I have simply built an argument supported by facts. I didn't insult anyone nor have made any assumptions about anyone. The two variants of 1060 are in fact different GPUs considering above all else that that have different physical CUDA core counts.
I don't represent "the red team". I am simply pointing out Azshadi's fallacy and providing support. AMD has done its share of questionable schemes but this topic is about Nvidia.
I am not boycotting the 1060, another false assumption from you. I have a Vega 56, a superior card I found at Microcenter on Clearance for sub $400 USD last November. I simply wouldn't pass up that deal of the year for a 1060.
Please build your arguments with facts and never make it about your opponent.
Squid Surprise
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You want people to support their arguments with facts... which is laudable... in order to be sure something you say IS a fact, you generally have to provide some EVIDENCE... Azhadi said the 1060 6GB and 3GB, while named poorly, are still the same GPU (even if one has a core disabled, it’s still the same GPU) and both cards perform to Nvidia’s specifications. You (and the other AMD backers) have yet to provide any FACTS or EVIDENCE to disprove this argument, thus you come off looking like tools while he looks intelligent.
Benjiwenji
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Difference in CUDA core count, one less SM, and halved VRAM, to which are you disputing?
They are obviously not identical GPUs. In what universe are they the same GPU? Just because they share the same name?
That is exactly why people criticize with this naming scheme.
Squid Surprise
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Possibly English isn’t your first language... I’m not disputing anything - no one actually was... you and your posse decided that the 1060 3GB should be boycotted because of the name...
The FACT is that both 1060 cards have the SAME GPU - yes, there is less RAM and an SM disabled but they match Nvidia specs so despite sneaky naming, it shouldn’t really matter.
I suggest you look it up and get some evidence
Here's some help....
https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2604-gtx-1060-3gb-vs-6gb-benchmark-review
If you go about halfway down the page, you'll see photos and diagrams of both cards.... As stated by Azhadi, they both use the SAME GPU - the GP106-400-A1... the 3GB one simply has one less SM, and half the RAM....
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Benjiwenji
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Possibly English isn’t your first language... I’m not disputing anything - no one actually was... you and your posse decided that the 1060 3GB should be boycotted because of the name...
The FACT is that both 1060 cards have the SAME GPU - yes, there is less RAM and a core disabled but they match Nvidia specs so despite sneaky naming, it shouldn’t really matter.
I suggest you look it up and get some evidence
I am bilingual, and I hope you know more than just English. Now that you are done probing my personal life, let's discuss GPU.
Why do you purposely leave out the difference in core counts in your comments?
If you consider core counts, less SM, and halved VRAM the same GPU, then, by that loose standard, aren't the 1070 and 1080 also the same GPU?
Squid Surprise
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You DON'T consider core counts, SM or VRAM as the GPU... you didn't actually read the link I posted, did you...
Here are Nvidia's naming schemes (they're also in the link).
1080 = GP104-400
1070 = GP104-200
1060 = GP106-400
There are your FACTS.... happy yet?
As an aside, I speak English, French and Hebrew...
Benjiwenji
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Fooled by the name, figures. Go watch Steve on GN. I am getting margareta.
Squid Surprise
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Yep, I guess you were... facts make arguments so much less enjoyable
How is the 1060 working for you as of now ?
Sausagemeat
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GeForce has won this round mostly due to Radeons higher pricing. In the U.K. a 6gb 1060 costs the same as an RX570. But also looking at the results the more popular games appear to be favouring Nvidia - Fortnite, PUBG, GTAV I could go on. It’s almost like Nvidia have made sure that the games that users are most likely to be playing are best optimised on their hardware! Lol. I’m sure the 9 people who only play Sniper Elite 4 and Dirt 4 are better off on Radeon.
Oh and choosing not to buy a better performing card because you feel the name is misleading is ultimately self defeating. Just do your research and read the reviews of these products when you buy them. It’s not difficult. You could argue that the 570X is misleading because it’s the same card as a 570...
Oh and choosing not to buy a better performing card because you feel the name is misleading is ultimately self defeating. Just do your research and read the reviews of these products when you buy them. It’s not difficult. You could argue that the 570X is misleading because it’s the same card as a 570...
NightAntilli
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Has nothing to do with 'feeling'. It is a fact. The only thing that's self-defeating is supporting a company's shady practices because of excessive loyalty and willing blindness.
Sausagemeat
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I don’t really think being upset over the name of a product is worth hurting yourself by buying a worse card for the same or more money from a different manufacturer personally.
But each to their own. You make your protest
Squid Surprise
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Interesting that you, of all people, are accusing Nvidia purchasers of excessive loyalty and willing blindness... you’re the epitome of both in your continued support of anything and everything AMD!
I would agree with Sausage that the true blind loyalty would be in purchasing video cards from AMD when the “facts” show that Nvidia has been outperforming them for years!
