If lots of people play it, then who cares if you don't intend to?
AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT vs. Nvidia GeForce RTX 5070 Ti: 50 Game Benchmark
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Typically only newer games that have unexpectedly terrible performance show much of a change with future game/driver improvements. So with a large sample of games the average difference stays close to the original results. Even when they go back years later and do a "how did XX age" with new games the results are usually pretty close unless one of the card has crossed a not enough VRAM threshold with the newer games.
If FSR 4 was widely available, the 9070XT would be a no brainer for value once the supply catches up and prices calm down. Without that, it is still a good option.
It's less exciting if you already have a decent card (5070 TI too) as the uplift from previous gens is a hard sell.
I may cave when a 5080 hits a grand, but I have enough steam backlog to wait at least until the super refresh. Currently playing Final Fantasy 6 which isn't taxing my 3080.
It's less exciting if you already have a decent card (5070 TI too) as the uplift from previous gens is a hard sell.
I may cave when a 5080 hits a grand, but I have enough steam backlog to wait at least until the super refresh. Currently playing Final Fantasy 6 which isn't taxing my 3080.
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MarcusNumb
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Let's say if the 9070xt can fix the price at 700 comparing to 850 of 5070ti, base on the conclusion of this review then AMD should cut the price to around 600 (after tax) in order to be worthy ?
Why didn't you conclude that the 5070ti should cut the price around 100-150usd/euros to be worthy ?
I just don't get it but I'm loosing my trust with the GPU reviews from TS recently.
Why didn't you conclude that the 5070ti should cut the price around 100-150usd/euros to be worthy ?
I just don't get it but I'm loosing my trust with the GPU reviews from TS recently.
Che Cazzo
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Ok, let me see now,: Grab one of your toys (any is fine), show me on the doll, exactly where my post made you hurt so badly.
Get back in a few days when you have managed to solve this puzzle.
Why would anyone run native when DLSS looks so good? It's just masochism at that point.
I'm running at 3440x1440 and am getting excellent fluidity in path traced titles after I ditched the 7900XTX for a 4080.
There is a difference between a lot of people playing the game vs playing the game with RT on. Most gamer don't own cutting edge GPUs or PCs, so I would think most people are playing the game with no or low RT settings. And using my laptop RTX 4070 to run this game, the low RT settings look quite bad and at the same time dropping performance significantly resulting in stuttery game play. Even when running this game with medium RT settings on a RTX 4070 Ti Super kills performance also when running the demo which is not as taxing as in game. At the end of the day, I avoid any games using Unreal Engine 5.
At the current inflated prices, I would say both cards are priced above what they are worth when looking at performance.
What does that have to do with the post I replied to?
I play my games at Native with AA off at 2160p, thank you.
Upscaling is a downgrade in image fidelity and anyone saying otherwise is either a fanboy or a BLIND fanboy.
As for Path Tracing... the 4090 cannot even do Path Tracing without Frame gen and Upscaling. You are degrading your image fidelity so much that using those features is making the game look WORST and the experience become a COMPROMISE.
In the meantime, God of War Ragnarok, a cross gen game, is the best looking game on the market even after 2 years of being released, and it doesn't use Ray Tracing!
No, the Nvidia fanboys got spanked... they can't afford their 950$ 5070TI to begin with anyway...
j4ni1
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Why is the 9070XT not compared to the 5070? Thats the closest in price. Or at least why is the 5070 not on the charts? Its like pushing the narrative of AMD being cheaper and less performant than nVidia. Thats certainly the case for the high end, but in similar price brackets certainly not.
Actually DLSS Quality is an upgrade from native without AA. It sounds like your bias is clouding your perception.
It sounds like you never use path tracing, DLSS, or frame gen but have very strong opinions on the topic anyways. You're excused if you're using inferior AMD hardware from the 7900 series and earlier, as they struggle with modern features. Meanwhile I'm happily playing with all 3!
All PC gaming is a compromise between IQ, frame rate, and other considerations like budget and power draw. Indeed, even games at native rendering include a ton of kludges to improve performance at the cost of IQ.
b3rdm4n
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The irony of playing with no AA and saying that anyone using upscaling is a blind fanboy isn't lost on me. People really need to let go of the old and incorrect notion that nothing can be better than native.
I too notice inconsistencies in their testing. Some games are tested all on High instead of Ultra, or with no RT for example, but they'll happily run the max settings if they can purposely cripple a card with 8/12GB.
It's pretty easy to get the results you want to show, when you have total control of the testing methodology and apply it inconsistently to make sure you get the results you want.
Yeah I feel like Techspot/HUB has picked their pet conclusions and then either molds the data or interpret the data to fit. If you read the data without the conclusions you can learn a lot, but I often watch or read the end of something and then scratch my head.
The 9700XT is a solid $650 card, but it's fair to ask if it can path trace at $900.
Gears 5 seems so weird. It looks like this specific game needs a driver update.
Of course, nobody is going to do it, just like nobody is going to do anything for
the rest of the old games.
I checked current prices for this cards that pop up on Newegg and amazon within the last few days.
These are a 1000 dollar card and 800-900 dollar card.
I think if I had a choice at these prices, I would pick 5070ti.
Of course, nobody is going to do it, just like nobody is going to do anything for
the rest of the old games.
I checked current prices for this cards that pop up on Newegg and amazon within the last few days.
These are a 1000 dollar card and 800-900 dollar card.
I think if I had a choice at these prices, I would pick 5070ti.
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amstech
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Techspot is liberal/left wing and has favored AMD for years. Let them cry. Intel still has 76% market share and Nvidia still has the best drivers and fastest GPUS, with superior FXAA tech, amoung others. The 9070 has driver/timeout issues and most of AMDs lineup still has stuttering issues. Lots of threads on both. You get what you pay for.
amstech
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Nvidia still has the best drivers and fastest GPUS, with superior FXAA tech, amoung others. The 9070 has driver/timeout issues and most of AMDs lineup still has stuttering issues. Lots of threads on both. You get what you pay for.
The Radeon is not cheap enough to warrant purchasing if you ask me. I would spend the extra and get the 5070 Ti. I am curious how the 9070XT stacks up against the 5070, which I feel is the competitor for it as is priced around the same. Im assuming TS didnt have one on hand for the comparison.
But to me I need to be saving a significant amount to go with Radeon. After all the bad experiences I (and most other users) have had with AMD graphics cards.
But to me I need to be saving a significant amount to go with Radeon. After all the bad experiences I (and most other users) have had with AMD graphics cards.
They had one - they decided it sucked… so decided it didn’t warrant comparison despite being the card closest in price…
Yep. rtx 5070ti 900-1100 dollars. 9070xt 800 900. Roughly 100 dollar difference in the US now.
Btw, for those who want to get more desirable 9070xt, they appear ocasionally on Amazon and Newegg as well.
I saw Nitro card which seems to be the most kick *** card in the lineup. I was tempted for a moment to get it. Devil one is also much more desirable according to my monitoring.
If you need a discord to monitor and buy one of the rarer cards, let me know. I realized that it is much easier than I thought.
alexnode
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We need competition and I am cheering for AMD. Bring it on . I hope things heat up and AMD gets an even faster model out soon.
PierreJG
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If you look on facebook, Nvidia fan boyz will flame AMD as Nvidia are still faster... In AMDs own keynotes, they never mentioned they are challenging the 50xx series. They were focusing to catch up to the 40 series but surprisingly it did better than expected. AMD don't need to beat Nvidia with performance but in Price. AMD tends to be a lot cheaper here even CPU wise. If you care about raytracing go Nvidia. I don't so on a price to performance point AMD makes a lot more sense for me. I do prefer DLSS though but not willing to pay a premium just for the feature.
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