GeForce RTX 3070 Ti vs. Radeon RX 6800: 52 Game Benchmark

NeoMorpheus

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"AMD gpus have to cost half as much as Nvidia while delivering 5% more performance to be worth it." current mindset of some people
No, no, no, you are wrong.
They must cost tops US$300 yet have double the performance of a 5090Ti Super Special Jensen Edition at 8K to be considered an ok AMD GPU and a possible buy instead of giving Nvidia more moneis.

Yes, I meant 5090! :cool:
 
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Avro Arrow

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Yeah, its not that RT on the 6800 is just a little bit slower but it positively falls off a cliff, compared to the 3070.

If you keep your cards 2-3yrs then going forward, you're going to need all the RT headroom you can to keep the option of turning on RT effects a viable one.
If I have to turn ray-tracing off, that's less of an issue than having an unplayable frame rate. This simple fact will always be true.
CP 2077 is still Nvidia sponsored title from beginning, therefore it's useless for Nvidia vs AMD comparisons.
Spider-Man is the same thing. TechSpot did a performance evaluation without disclosing that nVidia was involved in its development.
Context... "If the Radeon GPU was 20% cheaper it would become the obvious choice for most, but again, if you want that ray tracing performance or DLSS game support, then paying a hefty premium might be worth it."

If DLSS is worthless to you, then your decision is made. But if you played 2-3 games that have DLSS, then the RTX is probably faster than the Radeon, and the difference in price is justified. It's all spelled out in the same sentence.
So... it's worse to play without RT than it is to not play at all? I don't get it.
"AMD gpus have to cost half as much as Nvidia while delivering 5% more performance to be worth it." current mindset of some people
That's not a surprise. Look at how many people believe that the Earth is flat. Never underestimate a human being's capacity for stupidity.
FYI, updated the conclusion with this thanks to some of your comments:

Update: At the time of publishing this comparison, some readers have pointed out that beyond the Radeon RX 6800 tested here, there seems to be a sudden new decrease in pricing for faster 6800 XT (lowest priced at $539 on Newegg) and even 6900 XT GPUs (lowest model found at $669 on Amazon), making them ever more attractive if you're buying in this price range.
Whoa, I'm being referred to as "some readers". Does that make me more than just a man? Thank you, I'm honoured! :laughing:
In terms of game support however, as of writing, DLSS 2.0 has the most game support, FSR 2.0 is not close yet, while FSR 1.0 has decent game support but is not as desirable...
Sounds like a no-win scenario. I just play native and not worry about it because DLSS and FSR are for GPUs that can't play the game natively to begin with.
 
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Avro Arrow

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Someone else also pointed that out, so I looked into it
Oh I figured that Julio, I was just making a joke (you know, acting like an arrogant clown to make people crack up). It's Monday and the weather's crappy as hell here so I have to do something to lighten up my mood! :laughing:
and it was deserving of updating the conclusion for sure.
Thank you for the vote of confidence! I don't blame Steve for this, it's just a case of prices dropping almost daily.
 

PEnnn

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15% more expensive, but 5% slower. In what parallel world does it make any sense in buying the Nvidia product? Ray-tracing is virtually unnoticeable in the majority of games, DLSS and FSR are pretty much equal. Then this nugget. "If the Radeon GPU was 20% cheaper it would become the obvious choice for most" Unbelievable....

Everybody knows that NvIdia is Techspot's beloved and pampered baby.
 

NeoMorpheus

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Everybody knows that NvIdia is Techspot's beloved and pampered baby.
I am sorry to say this, but I agree.

The positive part is, this place is still not as bad as anything touched by LTT or JayHalfaCent.

I keep saying it, writers/reviewers should and need to be held to a higher standard, due to how manipulated data can be used and interpreted.

And what I mean with manipulated is not showing false number, its simply presenting certain numbers in a way that you will think are absolute. Example, Julio mentioned the amount of games that have DLSS, the ones that have FSR, etc and I will be honest, I am surprised that those numbers are so low.

Low compared to what?, you will say and as I mentioned, Steam (for example) has thousands of good games that none of us has played yet so at the moment, RT and by consequence, DLSS and FSR are really insignificant to ME compared to that number.

Now you know what is really important to me? A way to eliminate jaggies, specially at 4K!
I simply hate, hate jaggies!
The funny thing is, apparently DLSS and FSR actually make then better, so thats something that I will like more coverage.
 
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Avro Arrow

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I am sorry to say this, but I agree.
The positive part is, this places is still not as bad as anything touched by LTT or JayHalfaCent.
Now that his love and joy, EVGA, has left nVidia, Jay has been taking the piss out of nVidia lately. As for Linus, he's even admitted to loving Intel.
I keep saying it, writers/reviewers should and need to be held to a higher standard, due to how manipulated data can be used and interpreted.

And what I mean with manipulated is not showing false number, its simply presenting certain numbers in a way that you will think are absolute. Example, Julio mentioned the amount of games that have DLSS, the ones that have FSR, etc and I will be honest, I am surprised that those numbers are so low.
I'm not. I have yet to use FSR for anything. For the most part, FSR and DLSS aren't worth the disk space that they take up. I play games as they are and while I do make sure I have the correct hardware to do so, I don't buy hardware that requires these little tricks to play games because that's just a waste. Sure, I might need them later on down the line but I have ZERO interest in how they function right now and I don't think that they should be considered relevant at this time to anything but the low-range of cards. Nothing above an RX 6600 XT should have DLSS or FSR be considered as a relevant criterion because they don't need it yet and won't for years. By then, the landscape will be completely different from what it is today and so, they're irrelevant.
Low compared to what?, you will say and as I mentioned, Steam (for example) has thousands of good games that none of us has played yet so at the moment, RT and by consequence, DLSS and FSR are really insignificant to ME compared to that number.
I agree, and the only top-tier and insanely popular game that I've seen that REALLY implements DLSS and/or FSR to a decent degree is Cyberpunk 2077. Again, none of these technologies are required at this time unless you have an RX 6600 XT / RTX 3060 Ti or lower.
 

NeoMorpheus

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If I am not mistaken, enabling FSR without RT would not produce anything negative and in my case, supposedly it helps a lot with jaggies. So if I get better image quality without any performance hit, then I wouldn't mind using or at the very least, trying it.
But I agree, these things feel more like a gimmick than anything else.
 

ghosty

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We used AMD Adrenalin Edition 22.8.2 eh why use a 2 month old driver when you did all this testing Adrenalin Edition 22.10.1 was out for week

And now we have new NVidia drivers too that boost DX12 performance for a lot of games on the RTX cards (even the rtx 20x0 models)...
 
Can you please redo the benchmarks with resizable BAR disabled? Not everyone who wants to upgrade their GPU has a 2 year old CPU and chipset. I am eyeing the 3070ti but have a 5-6 year old CPU/chipset.
 

yannus

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Thanks to the inclusion of RT, the 3070 wasn't totally out. It's fair for the buyer to have separate results for RT and rasterization.
 

Avro Arrow

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Great article as usual, but I'm curious why the comparison wasn't with the original 3070? The plain 6800 and original 3070 are the same price.
Or use the 6800XT since that is the same average price as the 3070Ti

If this was discussed I apologize, but I won't have time to read the comments until tonight.
I think that it's because the RX 6800 XT is the rival of the RTX 3080. There's no question that it would curbstomp the RTX 3070 Ti so there would be no mystery. I'm willing to believe that when Steve did his work, the prices were different than they are now. I did post the prices of the 6800 XT, proving that there's no reason whatsoever to take the RTX 3070 Ti. Little tricks like DLSS don't make up for the considerable performance delta between the 6800 XT and the 3070 Ti, nor do they make up for the extra 8GB of VRAM. The fact that the ASRock RX 6800 XT is currently available for $50 LESS than the RTX 3070 Ti only drives the point (and the nail in the RTX 3070 Ti's coffin) home even more.
 
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Avro Arrow

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Can you please redo the benchmarks with resizable BAR disabled? Not everyone who wants to upgrade their GPU has a 2 year old CPU and chipset. I am eyeing the 3070ti but have a 5-6 year old CPU/chipset.
If you live in the USA, there's no reason at all to buy a 3070 Ti what with the ASRock RX 6800 XT being US$50 less expensive. If you live outside of the USA however, the situation may be different. I know that it's different here in Canada. The thing is, if you have a 5-6 year-old CPU, you're probably going to bottleneck the hell out of a 3070 Ti. If I were you, I'd update your platform before you buy a new video card and here's why:
 
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MarcusNumb

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I have been using 3070ti for 1 year and a half and I can't complain anything about this GPU. I wanted the 6800xt at that time but the price was mad.

If I can, I will definitely sell this 3070ti for a 6800xt but only because I don't like NVIDIA, not because 3070ti is a bad GPU. In the end, 4 o 5% slower or faster is not noticeable, it will come down to prices and company support and in these 2 terms, I'm all in for AMD at the moment.
 

Avro Arrow

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And now we have new NVidia drivers too that boost DX12 performance for a lot of games on the RTX cards (even the rtx 20x0 models)...
There's no driver in the world that would make the 3070 Ti match the RX 6800 XT so it's still a moot point, at least in the USA. Outside of the USA, the landscape does look markedly different (even here in Canada).
 

Avro Arrow

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I have been using 3070ti for 1 year and a half and I can't complain anything about this GPU. I wanted the 6800xt at that time but the price was mad.

If I can, I will definitely sell this 3070ti for a 6800xt but only because I don't like NVIDIA, not because 3070ti is a bad GPU. In the end, 4 o 5% slower or faster is not noticeable, it will come down to prices and company support and in these 2 terms, I'm all in for AMD at the moment.
I couldn't agree more. I flatly refuse to buy nVidia products (and Intel for that matter) because they're horrible companies that I refuse to support. Their products aren't bad at all. I'm just glad that AMD and ATi have always had alternatives that were just as good (or better) for my purposes.

Even if I didn't hate nVidia or Intel, all they really ever held over AMD/ATi was top halo performance. At the more sane price points that are relevant to us mere mortals, AMD and ATi always had something that outperformed Intel or nVidia. Even in the days of the FX-8350, I got mine for CA$170 brand-new when the i5-2550K was CA$350 and the i7-2600K was CA$500. Hell, even the dual-core i3-2120 was CA$200 at the time. I honestly couldn't believe that people were paying that for those Intel CPUs (and even more for the motherboards). That FX-8350 gamed perfectly for me for five years and I replaced it with an R7-1700 in 2017.

On the GPU side, it was even worse because I got my HD 4870 for $150 less than the GTX 260. That led to the HD 7970, R9 Fury, RX 5700 XT and RX 6800 XT. I've never looked back and never felt the need to.
 
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Steezus

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15% more expensive, but 5% slower. In what parallel world does it make any sense in buying the Nvidia product? Ray-tracing is virtually unnoticeable in the majority of games, DLSS and FSR are pretty much equal. Then this nugget. "If the Radeon GPU was 20% cheaper it would become the obvious choice for most" Unbelievable....


Ray tracing is amazing in person on a lot of games. Yeah not all of them implement it well, but anyone that claims RT doesn't make a game like Cyberpunk look way more amazing is lying to themselves about it or straight up lying about seeing it in person.

RT is compelling enough that I pretty much wouldn't consider anything but a 40 series card at this point.
 

Avro Arrow

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Ray tracing is amazing in person on a lot of games. Yeah not all of them implement it well, but anyone that claims RT doesn't make a game like Cyberpunk look way more amazing is lying to themselves about it or straight up lying about seeing it in person.
Anyone who claims that RT doesn't dramatically tank your frame rates is also lying to themselves.
RT is compelling enough that I pretty much wouldn't consider anything but a 40 series card at this point.
That's exactly what Jensen was hoping you'd say. :laughing:
 

NeoMorpheus

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I honestly dont understand this RT obsession.
The hardware and the software simply isnt there and wont be for at least another 2 gens.

Also, except for some cases, I cant see the big deal of having RT and as stated above, I have absolutely no way to justify the performance hit neither the prices of a GPU that can run RT at a passable rate.

I must congrats Jensen and his cronies, because between the marketing team, plus the paid shills like Digital Foundry, LTT and Jay Half a Penny because they have manage to convince the whole damn planet in thinking that they need RT now.
Steam has thousands of games.
Maybe 100 of those have RT and maybe 5 have a good use of it so I ask, how the hell do I justify this damned hype?

Edit instead of hype, I guess that the correct word should be “trend”, as mentioned by @MarcusNumb
 
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MarcusNumb

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I honestly dont understand this RT obsession.
The hardware and the software simply isnt there and wont be for at least another 2 gens.

Also, except for some cases, I cant see the big deal of having RT and as stated above, I have absolutely no way to justify the performance hit neither the prices of a GPU that can run RT at a passable rate.

I must congrats Jensen and his cronies, because between the marketing team, plus the paid shills like Digital Foundry, LTT and Jay Half a Penny because they have manage to convince the whole damn planet in thinking that they need RT now.
Steam has thousands of games. Maybe 100 of those have RT and maybe 5 have a good use of it so I ask, how the hell do I justify this damned hype?
Well you can't justify a hype, that's why it's called a hype. But this is not a hype anymore, it has become a trend since AMD also jumped on the ship. NVIDIA basically can do anything cause they lead the market, sadly.
What we can learn to avoid the hype is not upgrading GPU every 2 years. Buy a proper one that suits your needs and keep it well for at least 5 years. That's what I learnt after jumping from my 5700xt to 3070ti and I really regretted.
 

Avro Arrow

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I honestly dont understand this RT obsession.
The hardware and the software simply isnt there and wont be for at least another 2 gens.
Even then, it will never be the game-changer that tessellation was. Most people in FPS games are focused on enemies, not how pretty everything is. It's the design that makes something beautiful, not the lighting. A good case-in-point would be the Duchy of Toussaint in The Witcher III.
Also, except for some cases, I cant see the big deal of having RT and as stated above, I have absolutely no way to justify the performance hit neither the prices of a GPU that can run RT at a passable rate.
Neither do I but when someone really doesn't understand something, they make up excuses to justify their own stupid actions concerning it.
I must congrats Jensen and his cronies, because between the marketing team, plus the paid shills like Digital Foundry, LTT and Jay Half a Penny because they have manage to convince the whole damn planet in thinking that they need RT now.
Jensen's BS, it just works.
Steam has thousands of games. Maybe 100 of those have RT and maybe 5 have a good use of it so I ask, how the hell do I justify this damned hype?
You don't and I don't. The problem is that there are a lot of fools out there who don't know jack but want to pretend that they do by parrotting the words of a rich and successful graphics CEO. Usually the reason that they only buy green cards is that deep down they know that they're tech-useless and are terrified that the "horrible" ATi drivers will crash and they won't know what to do to fix the problem. It never once occurred to them that there is no problem. They're just dumb and Jensen is at god-level (like Steve Jobs) when it comes to fleecing fools for every penny that they can.

I stopped worrying about it because I'm just glad that I have enough expertise to see through the hype.