Hilarious viral video shows driverless delivery vans causing chaos on Chinese streets

First, invoking use of ChatGPT is a distraction and subtle way to attempt to minimize and discredit the point from the outset. This isn’t an argument about whether tools exist; it’s about whether current autonomy claims hold up in reality. So take a long walk with your passive aggressive attitude.

Second, you’re right: the baseline isn’t competent human drivers. But that’s not a relevant comparison. A relevant comparison is what actually reduces harm in the real world, under real constraints, right now.

Quoting aggregate global death statistics doesn’t, under any circumstances, justify deploying immature systems into unstructured public environments. By that logic, any intervention that claims future improvement would be ethical regardless of present risk. That’s not how safety engineering works. Aviation, medicine, and nuclear power don’t get to “learn at scale” by killing people in public and calling it “progress.”

Your Waymo citation sidesteps several points:

1. Domain restriction:
Waymo operates in heavily geofenced, mapped, weather-limited, low-speed urban cores with constant remote oversight. That’s not “self-driving cars,” it’s a controlled sandbox. Success in this context does not remotely generalize to mixed traffic everywhere else.

2. Benchmark ambiguity:
“Human benchmarks” are statistical averages across wildly different roads, drivers, weather, and conditions. These don’t compare and are a perfect example of cherry-picking statistics to support the argument. Beating an average that includes drunk drivers, street racers, and distracted teens is a low bar—and not evidence these systems outperform competent human drivers in the vast majority of complex driving scenarios.

3. Failure asymmetry:
Human drivers fail idiosyncratically; autonomous systems fail systemically. When they get something wrong, they tend to get it wrong the same way, at scale, until patched. That’s a fundamentally different risk profile, and it’s why “miles driven” alone is an insufficient safety metric.

4. Congestion and operational harm:
Even if you grant marginal safety improvements in narrow domains, it doesn’t address the congestion, blocking, freezing, and human-intervention already observed. Safety isn’t just fatalities per mile; it’s system-level performance.

We know what works for human drivers. If we don’t implement it’s because it’s politically inconvenient, not technically impossible. Plenty of countries enforce licensing standards, traffic laws, and road designs do achieve far lower fatality rates—without beta-testing experimental autonomy on the public.

I’m simply arguing against ideology masquerading as inevitability as an excuse for inappropriate deployment. Automation belongs where it can be: constrained, predictable, verifiable, and failsafe.

Rail, ports, mines, warehouses, limited-route transit—great. Personal vehicles in open-ended human environments? Not yet, and not on the public’s body count.

Again, calling skepticism “vibes” is a passive aggressive side step. Why should the public bear the downside risk for a technology that primarily serves investors and balance sheets?

Slogans, selective stats, and “the future requires sacrifice” rhetoric isn’t progress—it’s marketing, with a tolerance for collateral damage, in the name of tech-bro profit.

For future reference, I’m only interested in substantive discussion about the article itself. Passive-aggressive opinions, snark, or meta commentary about tools instead of ideas isn’t insightful, or interesting.
Which is why we should be rejoicing that China - a dictatorship that doesn’t care about the lives of its citizens - is taking the initiative in deploying these self-driving cars :)

Over time, the tech will improve - then we can use it in the rest of the world!
 
Which is why we should be rejoicing that China - a dictatorship that doesn’t care about the lives of its citizens - is taking the initiative in deploying these self-driving cars :)

Over time, the tech will improve - then we can use it in the rest of the world!
Sorry man, I’m just not on board with a view that, “a dictatorship can risk its citizens’ lives for us” is something to celebrate.

If self-driving cars are truly safer, they should prove it through transparent testing and accountability—not by using people who don’t get a choice as test subjects.
 
Sorry man, I’m just not on board with a view that, “a dictatorship can risk its citizens’ lives for us” is something to celebrate.

If self-driving cars are truly safer, they should prove it through transparent testing and accountability—not by using people who don’t get a choice as test subjects.
lol… we shouldn’t be celebrating… but… unless you plan on ending the dictatorship in China, we might as well look at the positives…

Hopefully China’s leadership becomes more benevolent one day but… until that time, let’s at least look to what few advantages we can get from this.

Self-driving cars are not safer than humans…yet… but they’re improving day by day, week by week and year by year. Very few people don’t think that one day they will be superior.

There’s a reason companies are investing tons into this…
 
Very few people don’t think that one day they will be superior.
Honestly, I think that’s more likely echo-chamber effect in your perception.

There’s a reason companies are investing tons into this…
Fully disagree. Extreme failure rates are the norm. Only a tiny number of wins justify investment strategies.

Theranos, Cold Fusion, Iridium Satellite Phones, 3D Television, Fuel Cell Cars… the list goes on. All investments in the billions. All hyped that they’d change the world. All failed miserably.

Hard math:

* 70–90% of bleeding-edge tech investments fail to deliver positive returns

* 65–75%
of VC-backed deals lose money or return less than invested

* 90%
of startups eventually fail outright

* 60–70% fail before reaching Series A

*
Only 4–10% become major successes that drive actual ROI

Investors in bleeding-edge tech are gamblers hoping that the ROI will be large if they succeed. Most of those investments fail. Citing hype or that companies are investing in any specific bleeding-edge tech as a reason it will succeed is reasoning not based on actualities.

Autonomous vehicles is a perfect example. IF they succeed the billions will be worth the investment. But it’s a big IF.
 
Honestly, I think that’s more likely echo-chamber effect in your perception.
Sorry, very few KNOWLEDGEABLE people don’t think it will be superior…
Fully disagree. Extreme failure rates are the norm. Only a tiny number of wins justify investment strategies.

Theranos, Cold Fusion, Iridium Satellite Phones, 3D Television, Fuel Cell Cars… the list goes on. All investments in the billions. All hyped that they’d change the world. All failed miserably.
Theranos was a scam - and they raised 700 million , not billions… and the tech never worked at all, the bosses simply falsified everything…

Cold Fusion has not failed… it is an ongoing project that might solve Earth’s energy needs in the future.

Iridium Satellite Phones work - and people use them all over the world. The flaw is cost - which everyone knew from the start - iridium is one of the most valuable materials on Earth after all!

Fuel Cell cars have not “failed”… scaling the tech is an ongoing challenge…

3d TVs have failed… but not because the tech didn’t work! Only because the public realized they didn’t want 3D!

When a tech that everyone actually wants, actually works, it rarely fails… assuming self-driving tech improves - and there is 0 evidence to suggest it won’t - it will be a resounding success. So let’s let China perfect it for us - and sacrifice its citizens instead of ours.
 
Sorry, very few KNOWLEDGEABLE people don’t think it will be superior…
Sorry, inserting adjectives into phrases doesn’t change unsubstantiated claims; empirical evidence is required :)

When a tech that everyone actually wants, actually works, it rarely fails… assuming self-driving tech improves - and there is 0 evidence to suggest it won’t - it will be a resounding success.
Disagree. Not everyone wants it. Not everyone agrees. Assumptions. The tech is not anywhere near superior to human drivers. Stating it is inevitable is as baseless as any assertion that AGI is right around the corner. The facts and current trends do not support this conclusion. A lot of people like the idea. A lot of people don’t. Do I think the tech will improve? Probably. Do I think people will continue to pursue its development. Likely. Is that the same thing as inevitability? Not remotely.

We can agree to disagree at this point. I think the horse is died a while back :) Cheers.
 
Sorry, inserting adjectives into phrases doesn’t change unsubstantiated claims; empirical evidence is required :)
lol - then provide some!
Disagree. Not everyone wants it. Not everyone agrees. Assumptions. The tech is not anywhere near superior to human drivers. Stating it is inevitable is as baseless as any assertion that AGI is right around the corner. The facts and current trends do not support this conclusion. A lot of people like the idea. A lot of people don’t. Do I think the tech will improve? Probably. Do I think people will continue to pursue its development. Likely. Is that the same thing as inevitability? Not remotely.
It’s not superior… yet! But AI is in its infancy - it may be an assumption, but it’s a pretty safe assumption that it will get better.
We can agree to disagree at this point. I think the horse is died a while back :) Cheers.
I agree to disagree - but maybe formulate your own arguments instead of using ChatGPT next time … I find it ironic that you argue against one use of AI while using another :)
 
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