HP might start making ink cartridges more affordable

[Aries Lyon]

I can personally show you a Brother printer. I don't need a source to prove it to you. And when it stops printing, you have to change all the toner cartridges to get it working again.

"I have experienced one shitty laser printer so therefore ALL laser printers must be trash too"

Naw that's not how it works mate, just get a decent laser that doesn't reject third party toner cartridges and you're set for life. $10 toner cartridges (at least in my country) and prints just as well

That's why you read reviews before buying, instead of just grabbing whatever's on display at the store.

 

[cliffordcooley]

That's why you read reviews before buying, instead of just grabbing whatever's on display at the store.

You mean the fake **** people put out. Half are lies and the other half is non-sense. All the while consumers have no buying protection preventing corporate from selling trash. Yeah, if you think you are going to silence my complaints, you are crazy. And oh BTW there have been other machines not just the one. I chose that one because I was talking about a specific issue.

 

[MarkHughes]

When my Mrs started back at university we needed a printer. I had bad experiences with the rip off ink prices in the past. So I looked around and got an Epson 4700 Ecotank. It's been great so far, She has used half the black and a quarter of the colours while getting through at least 3 packs of paper. So I expect at least another 1500 pages before I even need to think about some fresh black ink.

The build quality isn't like my old Star LC-200 that is in my loft and still works, That thing is really heavily built with quite a bit of steel inside and some tough plastic casing.

 

[rich436]

It annoys me that just to print with black ink only, you got to have all the colour cartridges with ink it them. If you don’t then you can’t print in Black at all.

 

[hahahanoobs]

And we have someone to thank for making this possible:

No. Read the tweet. Then read the paragraph that follows.

 

[hahahanoobs]

The machines are still programmed to stop printing regardless of whether you still toner. Laser printers have the same issues as inkjet.

I don't know who's right, but @Ravalo's video says otherwise about laser printers.

 

[fktech]

Follow the money, it's all about increasing HP's profit margins...

 

[Aries Lyon]

You mean the fake **** people put out. Half are lies and the other half is non-sense. All the while consumers have no buying protection preventing corporate from selling trash. Yeah, if you think you are going to silence my complaints, you are crazy. And oh BTW there have been other machines not just the one. I chose that one because I was talking about a specific issue.

Well then maybe you should learn some fake review spotting skills. Real reviews aren't that hard to find. And anyway, if a majority of laser printers does indeed stop printing regardless of whether the toner has finished or not, then presumably it would have already been found out, no? Checking whether there is toner left or not is a trivial thing and it's pretty obvious if they were somehow leaving toner behind.

And anyway, I will counter your anecdotal evidence with my own anecdotal evidence: I currently use a low end HP laserjet with a third party refillable toner cartridge (same cartridge but has a hole to refill toner). I have went through about 2 refills already and not a single time did my printer suddenly "stop printing" or otherwise. So it seems like you're spouting some conspiracy nonsense

 

[ziffel66]

It annoys me that just to print with black ink only, you got to have all the colour cartridges with ink it them. If you don’t then you can’t print in Black at all.

This is definitely part of the ink racket. Back in the 90's, printers were costly (but built like a tank), ink was cheap, and you only needed a black cart installed to print in black.

I long ago abandoned inkjet printers and got a laser printer, which is about 10x cheaper to print per page, and it doesn't dry out with non-use.

 

[BadThad]

Hard to believe anyone uses ink printers these days. I moved to laser over a decade ago and recommend 100% of the time that people use laser over inkjet. Toner carts last a LONG time, they are reasonably inexpensive and don't clog nor dry out. Since the coming of sub-$100 laser printers, ink printers are dinosaurs.

 

[Klemvore]

Like the author I switched to a B&W laser printer what has a flatbed color scanner.

If I want photo printed the paper and ink was too expensive to actually be savings worthwhile and the end result was kind of sub par... I can send that work to Walgreens over the internet because I don't take nudes or print them... So it's all cool.

Taxes is the print job I don't want to send out over the internet or hand to some dude being paid minimum wage and that only requires black and white so the laser handles what I feel is the primary use of a home printer. The secondary use for a home printer is actually the scanner so we can take old school paper documentation and convert it to electronic where is is easier to search on and file.... And takes up far less space. It's handy to also scan old photos but that can be safely outsourced as well.

 

[cliffordcooley]

Well then maybe you should learn some fake review spotting skills. Real reviews aren't that hard to find.

I do not understand your stand point. You seem content with the production of bad products.

Why are you trying to convince me? It is not such a bad thing to support the production of bad products. When we can waste half of our time reading reviews all day.

Instead of reading reviews all day. We should be putting forward an effort in stopping the production of bad products.

 

[Aries Lyon]

I do not understand your stand point. You seem content with the production of bad products.

Why are you trying to convince me? It is not such a bad thing to support the production of bad products. When we can waste half of our time reading reviews all day.

Instead of reading reviews all day. We should be putting forward an effort in stopping the production of bad products.

Well then how do you propose we, as consumers, stop the production of bad products? We stop buying them of course, so that companies take the hint and design better products. How do we know which are the "bad products" to avoid? We read reviews. So it seems like you're actually arguing in favour of reading reviews, because how else can we differentiate the bad and good products?

 

[Soulburn74]

HP's CLJ Pro MFP's are typically in the 3-400 range. I had the 276 first, it with its initial set of toners lasted me a good 3 years or so, when it was time to re-up toners. The 477 was out, and on sale, cheaper than it would have cost to replace toners on the 276. So I've had the 477 now for about 6 months not a single issue. (The only real issue, is now days, I hardly ever have a need for it!) Who prints out driving directions or concert tickets anymore? Hardly anyone at all........This thing collects dust more than anything......But works fantasically when I do need to fire it up.....

 

[arrowflash]

Inkjet printers were a mistake.

They have always been a scam. People are saying they used to be better but I disagree. Even back in the 1990s, inkjets were flimsy unreliable, overpriced garbage. Went through Canon, HP and Epson inkjets during that decade and it's difficult to tell which one was worse and more unreliable.

Looking back I regret falling for the inkjet hype and not purchasing a dot matrix printer instead. Nowadays inkjets are a lot cheaper than dot matrix printers but back then they cost the same, actually low end dot matrix models were cheaper than inkjets if my memory isn't failing me.

8 years ago, I got fed up enough that I threw my pile of inkjet printers in the trash on a whim, and bought a B&W laser printer. My only regret being that I didn't do it sooner.

 

[taylor1277]

TO HP: if you make cartridges cheaper I will go back to burning through them. the one place and I am sure a lot of people like me do it. is printing photos on their printers at home. I haven't done this in years. So HP, why they cut off their own arms and legs, is beyond me. I used to print anything and everything in black and white also. but since they skyrocketed printer cartridge prices, I just print what I need to. How about selling a good product and selling cartridges at a decent price, so I can go back to printing more and printing more photos at home. think about it, most people buy black ink cartridges than color, and most people don't even buy photo paper, why? When I can go to Walgreens or Walmart and pick them up myself when I go grocery shopping. We are in an era where more people do things at home such as an online shop, which means they are doing this at home more so why HP doesn't think about their strategy this way.

 

[taylor1277]

TO HP: if you make cartridges cheaper I will go back to burning through them. the one place and I am sure a lot of people like me do it. is printing photos on their printers at home. I haven't done this in years. So HP, why would you cut your own arms and legs, is beyond me? I used to print anything and everything in black and white also. but since they skyrocketed printer cartridge prices, I just print what I need to. How about selling a good product and selling cartridges at a decent price, so I can go back to printing more and printing more photos at home. think about it, most people buy black ink cartridges than color, and most people don't even buy photo paper, why? When I can go to Walgreens or Walmart and pick them up myself when I go grocery shopping. We are in an era where more people do things at home such as an online shop, which means they are doing this at home more so why HP doesn't think about their strategy this way.

also, it would be great if HP made its prices where if you bought two cartridges at a time it would be a little cheaper than buying one at a time, duh

 

[GerryG]

HP should take a leaf out of Epson's book. They introduced the Ecotank range several years ago, no cartridges needed, they have in-built ink tanks which can be filled by using ink bottles. I currently have 5 Epson Ecotank printers, to which I use these printers in my apparel printing business on a daily basis.

The ink only costs me £59 for 4x250ml (CMYK) of ink, going by the yield percentage of around 25% average coverage on each page that I have printed, I've so far got around 1100 pages of A4 paper and around 800 A3 pages.

I also have an OKI colour laser printer, not used it as much as my Epson printer, so far have printed out over 300 A4 full-colour pages, still going strong.

 

[Dsuar2]

I'm sorry for posting here but I'm wondering if HP started making these cartridges more affordable, is it true?