Huawei said to be eyeing the server GPU market, first chips to arrive later this year

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The GPU market is about to have a new player, and it comes from China. According to a report from a South Korean publication, Huawei is setting up a new division in the country called the Cloud and AI Business Group to take on Nvidia and AMD in the enterprise space.

The Chinese tech giant is said to be readying its first GPUs for a late 2020 release, with its eyes set on the server and supercomputer markets - at least at first. To that end, it has reportedly hired a few former Nvidia engineers, but the company wants to attract most of the needed talent from South Korea, which is where the new division will set up shop.

Normally, you'd think that Huawei would focus solely on its ARM efforts, since this is the area where it has built a considerable amount of intellectual property over the years. It has managed to beat Qualcomm in the race to 7nm, as well as producing the first high-end mobile SoC with integrated 5G capabilities. For enterprise systems, it has built the Kunpeng 920 - a 180W, 64-core, ARM-based server CPU that is currently being evaluated by companies like Tencent for cloud gaming services.

However, there's at least one reason why Huawei might want to expand its horizons - the company has already built several AI accelerator solutions that are able to compete with those of Nvidia. For instance, Huawei's Ascend 910 chip is able to deliver 256 teraflops of half-precision performance, which is two times faster than Nvidia's Tesla V100 solution in certain scenarios.

This is achieved with a comparable power consumption of up to 310 W, thanks in part to the fact that Huawei's Da Vinci microarchitecture is built on a 7nm+ process node. It also uses a chiplet design, which can cut down on overall cost and requires ample expertise on high speed interconnects. And, best of all, it comes with PCIe 4.0, HCCS, and RoCE interface support.

It would make sense for Huawei to move into GPUs for high-performance computing for scenarios that require general-purpose capabilities as opposed to AI chips which are mostly tailored for training neural networks in deep learning applications.

We also know the Chinese government has been fast-tracking a plan to replace all foreign hardware and software from its public infrastructure and institutions in favor of local alternatives by 2022. We recently saw two decent x86 CPUs produced by Zhaoxin, a domestic company with considerable backing from the local government.

It could be a coincidence, but Huawei's GPU efforts might be tied to China's plans for technological independence. The country has been pumping billions into the company's mobile and IoT businesses over the years, so this would be business as usual for the two entities. And, who knows - one day we might even see consumer GPUs from Huawei to go against Nvidia and AMD's offerings. By that point, we should also be able to compare them against Intel's mysterious Xe GPUs.

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QuantumPhysics

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Over the next decade, you are going to see a rapid decoupling of China from American suppliers. CPU, GPU, RAM...everything - will be made by them.
 

toooooot

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Over the next decade, you are going to see a rapid decoupling of China from American suppliers. CPU, GPU, RAM...everything - will be made by them.
I dont mind they can very soon fully supply China especially with the help their government shows toward national chip makers.
I am curious regarding their world expansion and sales in lets say slightly more civilized countries.
Are they ready to play by the rules, or will keep the **** like that they flipped with iran for example.
We ll see.
 

QuantumPhysics

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Are they ready to play by the rules, or will keep the **** like that they flipped with iran for example.
We ll see.

China has already taken over Asia. India will NEVER have the level of power China has over Asia and South East Asia.


America is POWERLESS to do anything about them.
 
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toooooot

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China has already taken over Asia. India will NEVER have the level of power China has over Asia and South East Asia.


America is POWERLESS to do anything about them.
Well, I was talking about the stuff Nvidia and other USA and japanese companies were selling. China not giving a **** about patents works fine inside China, but I doubt they can go on stealing new tech and not getting sued in the countries where there are at least some laws working.
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And ye, they are shamelessly copying and selling almost everything. But that's not exactly the same with very advanced production where it is a bit more specific than just rounded corners or something ;)
 

QuantumPhysics

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Well, I was talking about the stuff Nvidia and other USA and japanese companies were selling. China not giving a **** about patents works fine inside China, ;)

China is a huge market - as is India - that American corporations can't penetrate short of joint ventures.

China will soon put every other country around it - including Africa and south America in DEBT.

Those countries will suddenly be silenced by their Chinese overlords who control their standard of living.
 
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Edito

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China is a huge market - as is India - that American corporations can't penetrate short of joint ventures.

China will soon put every other country around it - including Africa and south America in DEBT.

Those countries will suddenly be silenced by their Chinese overlords who control their standard of living.
As you speak Africa is owned by China and the critical part of this is the fact that African are willing to side with China and not the US, so China is not really forcing anything it's just business as usual and in the future that will hit hard.
 

S Hone

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They are cheaters and cheating is a national pride in their culture. you are very smart if you can cheat successfully but very stupid if you are caught.
 
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China has already taken over Asia. India will NEVER have the level of power China has over Asia and South East Asia.


America is POWERLESS to do anything about them.
You are saying the country that designs the technology is powerless? haha. Without them, China will not know how to even make newer technology. They will be left in the dust. Do you have any evidence otherwise? I'm curious.
 

Uncle Al

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Hmmmmm ..... now the question is, will the Administration be willing to take on all the gamer's in the US & abroad?
 

Edito

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They are cheaters and cheating is a national pride in their culture. you are very smart if you can cheat successfully but very stupid if you are caught.
Who doesn't cheat just give one name, trust me everyone is cheating and the USA cheats to but they are frustrated with China because it's outsmarting them and want's to replace them on a global scale and there is nothing wrong with that it's another face of capitalism being driven by a communist country.
 
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Edito

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You are saying the country that designs the technology is powerless? haha. Without them, China will not know how to even make newer technology. They will be left in the dust. Do you have any evidence otherwise? I'm curious.
You can spin all the way you want... The world is where it is today not because of the US but because of the collective work of every single country... So if the US stops trust me someone else will do it... That's a guarantee, none in the world is irreplaceable...
 
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<p><img height="1245" src="https://static.techspot.com/images2/news/bigimage/2020/04/2020-04-13-image-28.jpg" width="2560"></p>

<p>The GPU market is about to have a new player, and it comes from China. According to a <a href="http://en.thelec.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=804">report</a> from a South Korean publication, Huawei is setting up a new division in the country called the Cloud and AI Business Group to take on Nvidia and AMD in the enterprise space.</p>

<p>The Chinese tech giant is said to be readying its first GPUs for a late 2020 release, with its eyes set on the server and supercomputer markets - at least at first. To that end, it has reportedly hired a few former Nvidia engineers, but the company wants to attract most of the needed talent from South Korea, which is where the new division will set up shop.</p>

<p style="text-align: center;"><img height="576" src="https://static.techspot.com/images2/news/bigimage/2020/04/2020-04-13-image-29.jpg" width="1024"></p>

<p>Normally, you'd think that Huawei would focus solely on its ARM efforts, since this is the area where it has built a considerable amount of intellectual property over the years. It has managed to <a href="https://www.techspot.com/news/76230-huawei-beats-qualcomm-7nm-kirin-980-processor-game.html">beat</a> Qualcomm in the race to 7nm, as well as producing the <a href="https://www.techspot.com/news/81792-huawei-kirin-990-beastly-soc-built-5g.html">first</a> high-end mobile SoC with integrated 5G capabilities. For enterprise systems, it has built the Kunpeng 920 - a 180W, 64-core, ARM-based server CPU that is currently being <a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tencent-huawei-games/tencent-to-develop-cloud-game-platform-with-huawei-idUSKBN21E0BV">evaluated</a> by companies like Tencent for cloud gaming services.</p>

<p>However, there's at least one reason why Huawei might want to expand its horizons - the company has already built several AI accelerator solutions that are able to compete with those of Nvidia. For instance, Huawei's <a href="https://e.huawei.com/se/products/cloud-computing-dc/atlas/ascend-910">Ascend 910</a> chip is able to deliver 256 teraflops of half-precision performance, which is two times <a href="https://www.cio.com/article/3449558/huawei-unveils-atlas-900-the-worlds-fastest-ai-training-cluster.html">faster</a> than Nvidia's <a href="https://www.techspot.com/news/69275-nvidia-unveils-first-volta-gpu-tesla-v100.html">Tesla V100</a> solution in certain scenarios.</p>

<p>This is achieved with a comparable power consumption of up to 310 W, thanks in part to the fact that Huawei's Da Vinci microarchitecture is built on a 7nm+ process node. It also uses a chiplet design, which can cut down on overall cost and requires ample expertise on high speed interconnects. And, best of all, it comes with PCIe 4.0, HCCS, and RoCE interface support.</p>

<p><img height="1041" src="https://static.techspot.com/images2/news/bigimage/2020/04/2020-04-13-image-30.jpg" width="2000"></p>

<p>It would make sense for Huawei to move into GPUs for high-performance computing for scenarios that require general-purpose capabilities as opposed to AI chips which are mostly tailored for training neural networks in deep learning applications.</p>

<p>We also know the Chinese government has been fast-tracking a plan to replace all foreign hardware and software from its public infrastructure and institutions in favor of local alternatives by 2022. We recently saw <a href="https://www.techspot.com/news/84789-latest-zhaoxin-x86-cpus-tested-what-china-closing.html">two decent x86 CPUs</a> produced by Zhaoxin, a domestic company with considerable backing from the local government.</p>

<p>It could be a coincidence, but Huawei's GPU efforts might be tied to China's plans for technological independence. The country has been <a href="https://www.techspot.com/news/83327-billions-incentives-huawei-denies-report-state-aid-has.html">pumping</a> billions into the company's mobile and IoT businesses over the years, so this would be business as usual for the two entities. And, who knows - one day we might even see consumer GPUs from Huawei to go against Nvidia and AMD's offerings. By that point, we should also be able to compare them against Intel's <a href="https://www.techspot.com/article/1975-intel-xe-preview-v2/">mysterious Xe GPUs</a>.</p>
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Huh, the famously opaque CCP wants to compete in supercomputers and AI used in major information technology companies and scientific research. I wonder why?

You'll save money on the hardware, save money on patents (they will be useless anyway), and you won't even need to spend money on personnel to broker technology transfer deals with China because they will already have the Technology! Win Win!!