Intel Xe integrated graphics are seen contesting Nvidia's discrete GeForce MX350

mongeese

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Rumor mill: Intel’s upcoming Tiger Lake mobile processors will be the first to showcase the Xe GPU platform. A leaked OpenCL Geekbench result shows the mid-range Core i7-1165G7 achieving an impressive score of 59,845, which puts it in direct competition with AMD’s and Nvidia’s finest in this segment.

In terms of raw horsepower, this Core i7-1165G7 result beats the average Nvidia MX350 result by ~17%. That’s a pretty nifty lead, given that the MX350 has 2GB of VRAM, and the G7 has no dedicated memory. The kicker is that they have the same TDP of about 25W (depending on the configuration) – but the G7 comes attached to a whole quad-core, octa-thread Willow Cove CPU.

Admittedly, though, the GeForce MX350 is a somewhat lame comparison. AMD killed the MX350 with the release of the Ryzen 4000 APUs, which offer better GPU performance and fantastic CPU performance at the same price. So how does the G7 compare to AMD’s stuff?

Intel should theoretically win, on paper. AMD’s GPUs have between 384 and 512 shaders and clock speeds around the 1600 MHz mark. Intel’s Xe GPU has up to 768 shaders and a clock speed of 1300 MHz.

In the OpenCL benchmark, the Ryzen 4600U reaches an average score of 38,000, the 4700U gets 40,100, and the 4800U gets 44,000. Even if the leaked ~60,000 result is an overperforming result, Intel beats AMD here, too.

However, both theoretical performance, and the OpenCL benchmark, are very general results. Intel has often maintained a lead in these categories in the past even when AMD’s hardware has been outperforming them in real-world tests. For now, the evidence suggests that Intel will at least be competitive, but there’s no winner at this point.

The elephant in the room is the CPU side of these processors. AMD seems to have a clear advantage in CPUs. Ryzen 4000 APUs have up to eight cores, while Tiger Lake maxes out at four. Can Willow Cove compete with Zen 2 with half the number of cores?

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Uncle Al

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However, both theoretical performance, and the OpenCL benchmark, are very general results. Intel has often maintained a lead in these categories in the past even when AMD’s hardware has been outperforming them in real-world tests. For now, the evidence suggests that Intel will at least be competitive, but there’s no winner at this point.

Not exactly an encouraging reason to look at upgrades just yet .....
 

BoboOOZ

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Well, the MX350 is dead on arrival, because Nvidia underestimated competition from APUs and went with a small generational improvement (remember Turing?)
Anyway, the MX450 is coming, and this time there will be no underestimation of the competition.
 

Thanthan

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The thing is... Its Intel. You Will probably see Ryzen 4600u laptops at the same pricing as 2 core 4 thread models from Intel, and 8 core 16 threads at the same pricing as 4 core 8 threads... I challenge anyone to find a 1065g7 Laptop that is not hideously expensive... That might change I guess, but so far Intel has only really capitulated with regards to pricing in the HEDT space.
 

BoboOOZ

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The thing is... Its Intel. You Will probably see Ryzen 4600u laptops at the same pricing as 2 core 4 thread models from Intel, and 8 core 16 threads at the same pricing as 4 core 8 threads... I challenge anyone to find a 1065g7 Laptop that is not hideously expensive... That might change I guess, but so far Intel has only really capitulated with regards to pricing in the HEDT space.
Well to be fair, from what I know Intel has problems with yields on some nodes right now, so there's no incentive for them to try to do really competitive pricing since they can't keep up with demand anyway.
Intel has a much better mindshare position than AMD for the larger market, but it slowly eroding. As this keeps on, they will have to adjust their pricing accordingly, so I think all and only competition will improve the choice and the price-performance ratio for the end-users.
 

yeeeeman

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Dear techspot. Learn how to read leaks. There are scores for CPU also in geekbench. 1135G7 with its 4 cores equals 4700U. 1165G7 again with its 4 cores is pretty close to the 8 cores of 4800U and hopefully 1185G7 will beat 4800u.
 

yeeeeman

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The thing is... Its Intel. You Will probably see Ryzen 4600u laptops at the same pricing as 2 core 4 thread models from Intel, and 8 core 16 threads at the same pricing as 4 core 8 threads... I challenge anyone to find a 1065g7 Laptop that is not hideously expensive... That might change I guess, but so far Intel has only really capitulated with regards to pricing in the HEDT space.
There are 700$ laptops with 1065G7. You challenge is a bit soft.
 

yeeeeman

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Well to be fair, from what I know Intel has problems with yields on some nodes right now, so there's no incentive for them to try to do really competitive pricing since they can't keep up with demand anyway.
Intel has a much better mindshare position than AMD for the larger market, but it slowly eroding. As this keeps on, they will have to adjust their pricing accordingly, so I think all and only competition will improve the choice and the price-performance ratio for the end-users.
They will come back up to speed before their mindshare has eroded...
 

Lew Zealand

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Which ones ?
https://www.samsclub.com/p/hp-fhd-laptop-i71065g/prod23651949

HP 15-dy1971cl, i7-1065G7, $600

Ships with 1 memory slot filled so low GPU performance out of the box and you can be sure the build quality and screen are junk, but a current gen i7 with Intel's best iGPU for only $600.

It's from Sam's club so the first question on the Q&A page is asking if the computer has a CD drive. Because apparently it's 1983.
 

Irata

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https://www.samsclub.com/p/hp-fhd-laptop-i71065g/prod23651949

HP 15-dy1971cl, i7-1065G7, $600

Ships with 1 memory slot filled so low GPU performance out of the box and you can be sure the build quality and screen are junk, but a current gen i7 with Intel's best iGPU for only $600.

It's from Sam's club so the first question on the Q&A page is asking if the computer has a CD drive. Because apparently it's 1983.
Thanks. Did some looking and also found a model from Dell. Also marked down (special offer) and slightly above the craptop category, but yes, it‘s in the price range.

Not sure if that qualifies as „plenty in that price range“....certainly not at regular price.
 

Lew Zealand

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Yeah, not plenty but at least some options from well-known vendors. Buyer reviews of the HP describe decent performance wrapped in little better than a manila folder.
 

Irata

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Hard to search on google

Anyway, Intel had to lower prices considerably with 1065G7 since it is, from Renoir's launch pretty much a bad buy at anything over 500-600$.
Well, you were making the claim, so ideally you should present a few examples.
But the price you mention can only be found for bottom end models on sale, so 🤷‍♂️
 

yeeeeman

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Well, you were making the claim, so ideally you should present a few examples.
But the price you mention can only be found for bottom end models on sale, so 🤷‍♂️
And what is the problem with bottom end? AMD laptops at this price point are OLED with Gen 4 ssd built with magnesium alloy chassis?