It's official: the FCC has killed net neutrality

Bubbajim

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I'd much prefer the liberal leftists in the USA leave us for their dream of socialism and big government in another country. It can easily be found in Venezuela - where very, very few are rich and the rest live on the remaining government "free" scraps. This is the "income equality" achieved to it's fullest.

And tell me, what exactly is wrong with someone smarter and more driven than you making more money than you? That is the beauty of capitalism - the harder and smarter you work, the more you're rewarded. Nonetheless, liberalism makes those people out to be evil. Rather than lift themselves up (liberals), they choose to drag everyone down with them (income equality), as if they deserve a piece of someone else's pie just because they're alive. ABSOLUTE SLOTH!
I know you guys have a really weird history with these words, but please sort out your definition of 'liberal'/'liberalism', what you're talking about are communists.

And nowhere in this thread is there anything about the merits of people making money, you're getting angry about something way off-topic. This thread is about a quite simple chain of events, and people's views of those events:

- companies pre-2015 started using tactics that extorted money out of other companies and consumers
- FCC implemented regulations to stop those tactics in 2015
- Ajit Pai and many Republicans (and I'm sure some Dems) got paid lots of money by the agitating companies
- Ajit Pai & co repeal regulations, allowing extorting tactics to be used once more.

This is nothing to do with making people out to be evil, it's not to do with communism, it's nothing to do with income inequality. It's about that simple chain of events, and quite a lot of people thinking that that's not right.
 
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ddferrari

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It is what all flat earth believers also say when they are presented with facts and have all of their arguments destroyed. Sorry for not having any food to feed yourself anymore. We'll be fine, we have jobs.

Nobody is "predicting the future". We already know what will happen with 100% certainty. Ajit Pai has already spoken out in favor of paid prioritisation (aka fast lanes) and companies like Comcast have already removed this from their NN pledge which the FCC is saying that ISPs will still continue to follow (the mythical "promise" the ISP made).

We also know that they'll reintroduce hidden fees and other similar anti-consumer practises.

But hey, this all fine and dandy for you. You are very relaxed. It must be the lack of food. You don't have the energy to do anything about it like others are doing.
What exactly do you think you're "doing" about it, other than attacking everyone on this forum who isn't lighting a torch and headed to Ajit Pai's home? Besides, haven't you heard? This whole thing isn't even official yet. Congress could overturn the whole thing.

I don't panic until it's time to panic. Call me crazy. Or mature.
 

Puiu

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What exactly do you think you're "doing" about it, other than attacking everyone on this forum who isn't lighting a torch and headed to Ajit Pai's home? Besides, haven't you heard? This whole thing isn't even official yet. Congress could overturn the whole thing.

I don't panic until it's time to panic. Call me crazy. Or mature.
So? Have you done anything besides "waiting"? Because that sure worked in other situations. /s
You are not mature, just apathetic about it.

The chances of congress overturning it is very slim. The lawsuits have a higher chance of getting something than that.

What I've done is draw attention to the misinformation lies spread by the FCC and help people understand what FCC just voted on. I can't do anything more since I'm in Europe. Calling bulshit when I see it is the least I can do since this affects not just americans, but the entire world.

If you just want to rest on your laurels then do it by not calling those who care about this issue crazy or immature. It's crazy not to care. If you don't cause a scene before a murder happens to try and stop it then you are just as guilty as the rest.

This is not fear mongering or trying to cause a panic. This is a normal response to bulshit being thrown in our direction.
 
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ddferrari

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So? Have you done anything besides "waiting"? Because that sure worked in other situations. /s
You are not mature, just apathetic about it.

The chances of congress overturning it is very slim. The lawsuits have a higher chance of getting something than that.

What I've done is draw attention to the misinformation lies spread by the FCC and help people understand what FCC just voted on. I can't do anything more since I'm in Europe. Calling bulshit when I see it is the least I can do since this affects not just americans, but the entire world.

If you just want to rest on your laurels then do it by not calling those who care about this issue crazy or immature. It's crazy not to care. If you don't cause a scene before a murder happens to try and stop it then you are just as guilty as the rest.

This is not fear mongering or trying to cause a panic. This is a normal response to bulshit being thrown in our direction.
Well if attacking people after the fact makes you feel better, good for you. But you don't seem to grasp that a) it isn't even a done deal, and b) attacking people on Techspot isn't going to turn back the clock and change the vote. I've said this repeatedly and I'll say it again: until this becomes reality, and proven negative consequences are documented, I see no reason to have a fit about it. You DO realize that there was no public vote on the matter here in the USA, don't you?

It appears that you've blown your perceived negative consequences way out of proportion. Let's pretend that the end of NN does affect the average user negatively. What might that entail- a few websites becoming slower, or your bill going up 10-20%? While neither of those things would make me happy, it's hardly a life-changing event. I don't find your response to be "normal" at all. It's more like way over the top.

This definitely falls into the First World Problem category.
 

Puiu

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Well if attacking people after the fact makes you feel better, good for you. But you don't seem to grasp that a) it isn't even a done deal, and b) attacking people on Techspot isn't going to turn back the clock and change the vote. I've said this repeatedly and I'll say it again: until this becomes reality, and proven negative consequences are documented, I see no reason to have a fit about it. You DO realize that there was no public vote on the matter here in the USA, don't you?

It appears that you've blown your perceived negative consequences way out of proportion. Let's pretend that the end of NN does affect the average user negatively. What might that entail- a few websites becoming slower, or your bill going up 10-20%? While neither of those things would make me happy, it's hardly a life-changing event. I don't find your response to be "normal" at all. It's more like way over the top.

This definitely falls into the First World Problem category.
It falls into basic human rights, not "first world problems".

And the fact that you are OK with paying more and "a few websites' (as if a few websites is something small and insignificant) getting slower pretty much proves that you are not normal. I doubt that someone that has to feed his kids and pay rent will say the same.

You say I'm attacking people, but that is wrong. I've always used facts and arguments to deny the spread of misinformation and intentional diversion from the topic and I've called out people for saying such BS. --> kinda like you are doing now. You are just pretending to not understand why people are so up in arms against the removal of NN rules. You know exactly what ISPs are capable of, what they've done in the past, what they are doing now and what they will do in the future.

Yout entire "wait and see" shtick doesn't work when you are already saying that a freaking 20% increase in your internet bill is fine for you... this would cause riots in the streets in other countries but no... you are just going to accept it... so sad
 
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ddferrari

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It falls into basic human rights, not "first world problems".

And the fact that you are OK with paying more and "a few websites' (as if a few websites is something small and insignificant) getting slower pretty much proves that you are not normal. I doubt that someone that has to feed his kids and pay rent will say the same.

You say I'm attacking people, but that is wrong. I've always used facts and arguments to deny the spread of misinformation and intentional diversion from the topic and I've called out people for saying such BS. --> kinda like you are doing now. You are just pretending to not understand why people are so up in arms against the removal of NN rules. You know exactly what ISPs are capable of, what they've done in the past, what they are doing now and what they will do in the future.

Yout entire "wait and see" shtick doesn't work when you are already saying that a freaking 20% increase in your internet bill is fine for you... this would cause riots in the streets in other countries but no... you are just going to accept it... so sad
A 20% increase in my bill would add up to a whopping $7 a month. I don't riot over $7. That's a burger and fries. And a few websites out of 1.8 billion is very much small and statistically insignificant, where I come from.

Please stop putting words into people's mouths. I never spread any BS about NN, nor did I say I supported its apparent demise. I simply said that it isn't going to trigger an Armageddon. You seem to be arguing for the sake of argument at this point.
 

jobeard

TS Ambassador
Fastcompany.com has a notable quote IMO:

“Just because the FCC claims it has the power to preempt state laws doesn’t mean that it actually does,” says Hansen. “I can claim that I have the power to manifest unicorns on the Washington State Capitol lawn. But if you look outside right now, there are no unicorns.”

Governor’s orders in states like Montana, New Jersey, and New York make adherence to net neutrality policies a precondition for ISPs that want state government contracts.

The next step is almost certainly the courts. In its “Restoring Internet Freedom” order that abolished net neutrality regulations, the FCC claimed that its policy preempts the authority of state governments. Washington State is challenging that.

Time will tell....
 

Evernessince

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Fastcompany.com has a notable quote IMO:

“Just because the FCC claims it has the power to preempt state laws doesn’t mean that it actually does,” says Hansen. “I can claim that I have the power to manifest unicorns on the Washington State Capitol lawn. But if you look outside right now, there are no unicorns.”

Governor’s orders in states like Montana, New Jersey, and New York make adherence to net neutrality policies a precondition for ISPs that want state government contracts.

The next step is almost certainly the courts. In its “Restoring Internet Freedom” order that abolished net neutrality regulations, the FCC claimed that its policy preempts the authority of state governments. Washington State is challenging that.

Time will tell....
Or maybe not even. We only need we more senator's vote in order to use the congressional review act and undo the FCC's change.
 
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