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Man develops rare 19th-century psychiatric disorder after following ChatGPT's diet advice
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bclaymiles
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This is sort of a 'yes and no' matter. Back in the 1960's and 1970's, Morton salt gathered a large proportion of their salt from evaporative ponds on the San Francisco Bay. Their many-stories-high salt pile at the facility was sort of a 'landmark' for locals. Back then, salt was salt. No distinction at the retail level was made as to the source. So, through my growing up, pretty much all salt (at least in our region) was sea salt, but not labeled as such.
Nowadays, as you acknowledge, you buy 'sea salt' at point of sale because it's a vanity product, all other things being equal.
Sea salt, himalayan salt, vedic salt, magic salt, god-level salt - doesn't matter how it's labeled, it's at absolute minimum 99.9% sodium chloride, with microscopic amounts of trace minerals. By their very definition, trace minerals are minerals which are biologically necessary - but only required in microscopic amounts. In other words, if you eat at least a minimal amount of 'real' food, grown in the earth, or drink water that is other than distilled or osmotic - you are likely to satisfy all your needs for trace minerals without even trying hard.
What you're doing when you buy himalayan salt is paying exorbitant prices for a compound that for which there's 50 quintillion kilograms/3.09 sextillion pounds in the oceans alone, and the sellers are likely making a profit fifty times their cost to provide it.
If you like the taste of Himalayan or whatever salt, well, via con dios. But don't kid yourself that it's somehow healthier than any other salt. It isn't.
Zigmeister
Posts: 6 +2
I once saw a case of bromism in 1972 - a man had been admitted to a teaching VA psych unit for continued psychotic behavior; his history sounded logical for PTSD at first - until it became truly bizarre & obviously confabulated. We had just come on service, and the new psych/neurology resident looked at the previous workup and couldn't find any gaps. "They've already done everything but a bromide level" - which he ordered. The pt. had been in-house for over a month, and the level was still too high to measure. Turned out he'd been taking BromoSeltzer as a sedative.
WaphleStomp
Posts: 171 +107
It just goes to show that while AI can be super helpful, it’s not a replacement for professional medical advice. Following something like this without context can have serious consequences.
It’s a good reminder to always double-check health information and consult a qualified expert before making major changes — AI is a tool, but it can’t fully understand the risks the way a real doctor can.
It’s a good reminder to always double-check health information and consult a qualified expert before making major changes — AI is a tool, but it can’t fully understand the risks the way a real doctor can.
WaphleStomp
Posts: 171 +107
Trump had people nearly ready to inject bleach into their veins and he got many of them eating fish parasite meds - no AI required. Stupidity exists, that's a fact of life, and stupid people will do stupid things if they can scrounge an iota of 'logic' in the decision-making process.
Regardless from where the information comes, if they decide to act without obtaining or accepting advice from topical professionals, they'll do [it] and likely suffer the consequences. And, if they're American they'll then go on to sue whomever for not putting "Do not inject this product into your veins" on the label.
There are stupid people in every family, neighbourhood, town, city, county, state, province, country. Don't blame AI, don't blame the schools, blame the individual. But more importantly, grab some popcorn, sit back, and enjoy the show.
bclaymiles
Posts: 461 +402
Trump didn't have anybody 'nearly ready' to inject bleach, nor did he suggest people should do so.
During a press briefing very early in the emerging COVID-19 pandemic (April 2020),
William Bryan, the under secretary for Science and Technology at the Department of Homeland Security "said that his team had done some experiments that found that sun exposure and disinfectants, cleaning agents like bleach, could kill COVID-19 on surfaces and in the air. He eventually steps aside and says, you know, this concludes my research, we have some good stuff to go on.
Then, Trump takes the mic and sort of riffs. He's looking back and forth at reporters, and then Bryan, who's sitting off to the side. And Trump says, speaking to reporters, you know, a question that a lot of you are probably thinking is, what if we hit the body — this is his words — with a tremendous ultraviolet or very powerful light — and I'm sort of paraphrasing here for the sake of clarity.
And then he turns to Bryan and says, I think you said that hasn't been checked, but you're going to test it, which you can do either through the skin or some other way, and I think you said you're gonna test that. Sounds interesting, right?
And he goes on, he says, and I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in one minute. Is there a way we could do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you can see, it gets in the lungs — he's referring to the virus now — it does a tremendous number on the lungs, and I think it'd be interesting to check that. So he’s sort of rambling here and these comments created confusion.
Almost immediately after that, a reporter, who was sitting in this press briefing room asked him, did you just say you’re testing injections? And Bryan came back to the microphone and said no, no, that's not what we tested in our lab. And Trump also clarified, he said well, that's not what I meant, it wouldn't be through injections, it would be cleaning and sterilization of an area.
And so it appeared that they shut it down and clarified what they meant just moments later, but the press had already taken off with these comments that Trump made."
The press naturally ran with the narrative that "Trump says people should inject themselves with bleach, OMGZ!!" The reality is, nobody injected bleach into themselves.
Fact Check: Did Trump once tell Americans to inject bleach to fight COVID-19?
It’s time for a fact-check of North Carolina politics. President Biden joined Vice President Harris in Raleigh last week to promote his administration’s efforts to expand health care access. During his speech, Biden made a claim about Trump’s response to the coronavirus pandemic.
www.wfae.org
Trump Didn't Say People Should 'Inject Bleach' To Tackle COVID-19. Here's What He Said
The Republican presidential candidate's remarks near the start of the coronavirus pandemic have been repeatedly misrepresented.
www.snopes.com
Ivermectin, which is on the World Health Organizations' List of Essential Medicines (for humans, obviously), is widely used to treat parasites in humans and some other mammals. It's never been used in 'fish'. Past scientific research on Ivermectin showed that it has antiviral properties against RNA viruses. In-vitro and in-vivo studies on animal models reported antiviral action against COVID, but requires high serum levels. On that basis it was considered as a possible treatment for COVID. Since it's a fairly easy compound to access, people went off-label and self-administered, because at that time, there was absolutely no treatment available for COVID, and people were incredibly fearful. That doesn't justify indiscriminate application of a potential treatment. Data from 2022 reported the deaths of six individuals from Ivermectin toxicity globally during the pandemic. Obviously there's no way to know how many people may have died from COVID due to unwarranted faith that Ivermectin would protect them.
More recent studies show that application of Ivermectin resulted in statistically significant lower viral load in patients with mild to moderate COVID, but it had no significant effect on clinical symptoms.
Efficacy and safety of oral ivermectin in the treatment of mild to moderate Covid-19 patients: a multi-centre double-blind randomized controlled clinical trial - BMC Infectious Diseases
Background Evidence on ivermectin as a treatment for Covid-19 is controversial. A Cochrane review concluded that the efficacy and safety of ivermectin is uncertain (evidence up to April 2022) and WHO recommended its use only in the setting of clinical trials. This study aimed to assess the...
bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com
Things are not so cut-and-dried as the narrative you suggest.
While I generally agree, nobody sued anyone for inadequate labeling on bleach, not in this context, because nobody injected bleach, not that I can find.
I don't consider it funny or an enjoyable show when ignorant and misguided individuals do stupid things that seriously harm them or cost them their life, generally speaking, but maybe that's just me.
I do blame our education system in part. Critical thinking can be taught relatively easily. Instead we teach kids irrelevant, useless things to the exclusion of meaningful life lessons.
WaphleStomp
Posts: 171 +107
OMG!! - your sycophantical need to defend Trump is hilarious and disturbing. Maybe try to be your own person instead of a Trump toadie. #TFFTrump didn't have anybody 'nearly ready' to inject bleach, nor did he suggest people should do so.
During a press briefing very early in the emerging COVID-19 pandemic (April 2020),
William Bryan, the under secretary for Science and Technology at the Department of Homeland Security "said that his team had done some experiments that found that sun exposure and disinfectants, cleaning agents like bleach, could kill COVID-19 on surfaces and in the air. He eventually steps aside and says, you know, this concludes my research, we have some good stuff to go on.
Then, Trump takes the mic and sort of riffs. He's looking back and forth at reporters, and then Bryan, who's sitting off to the side. And Trump says, speaking to reporters, you know, a question that a lot of you are probably thinking is, what if we hit the body — this is his words — with a tremendous ultraviolet or very powerful light — and I'm sort of paraphrasing here for the sake of clarity.
And then he turns to Bryan and says, I think you said that hasn't been checked, but you're going to test it, which you can do either through the skin or some other way, and I think you said you're gonna test that. Sounds interesting, right?
And he goes on, he says, and I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in one minute. Is there a way we could do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you can see, it gets in the lungs — he's referring to the virus now — it does a tremendous number on the lungs, and I think it'd be interesting to check that. So he’s sort of rambling here and these comments created confusion.
Almost immediately after that, a reporter, who was sitting in this press briefing room asked him, did you just say you’re testing injections? And Bryan came back to the microphone and said no, no, that's not what we tested in our lab. And Trump also clarified, he said well, that's not what I meant, it wouldn't be through injections, it would be cleaning and sterilization of an area.
And so it appeared that they shut it down and clarified what they meant just moments later, but the press had already taken off with these comments that Trump made."
The press naturally ran with the narrative that "Trump says people should inject themselves with bleach, OMGZ!!" The reality is, nobody injected bleach into themselves.
Fact Check: Did Trump once tell Americans to inject bleach to fight COVID-19?
It’s time for a fact-check of North Carolina politics. President Biden joined Vice President Harris in Raleigh last week to promote his administration’s efforts to expand health care access. During his speech, Biden made a claim about Trump’s response to the coronavirus pandemic.Trump Didn't Say People Should 'Inject Bleach' To Tackle COVID-19. Here's What He Said
The Republican presidential candidate's remarks near the start of the coronavirus pandemic have been repeatedly misrepresented.
Ivermectin, which is on the World Health Organizations' List of Essential Medicines (for humans, obviously), is widely used to treat parasites in humans and some other mammals. It's never been used in 'fish'. Past scientific research on Ivermectin showed that it has antiviral properties against RNA viruses. In-vitro and in-vivo studies on animal models reported antiviral action against COVID, but requires high serum levels. On that basis it was considered as a possible treatment for COVID. Since it's a fairly easy compound to access, people went off-label and self-administered, because at that time, there was absolutely no treatment available for COVID, and people were incredibly fearful. That doesn't justify indiscriminate application of a potential treatment. Data from 2022 reported the deaths of six individuals from Ivermectin toxicity globally during the pandemic. Obviously there's no way to know how many people may have died from COVID due to unwarranted faith that Ivermectin would protect them.
More recent studies show that application of Ivermectin resulted in statistically significant lower viral load in patients with mild to moderate COVID, but it had no significant effect on clinical symptoms.
Efficacy and safety of oral ivermectin in the treatment of mild to moderate Covid-19 patients: a multi-centre double-blind randomized controlled clinical trial - BMC Infectious Diseases
Background Evidence on ivermectin as a treatment for Covid-19 is controversial. A Cochrane review concluded that the efficacy and safety of ivermectin is uncertain (evidence up to April 2022) and WHO recommended its use only in the setting of clinical trials. This study aimed to assess the...
Things are not so cut-and-dried as the narrative you suggest.
While I generally agree, nobody sued anyone for inadequate labeling on bleach, not in this context, because nobody injected bleach, not that I can find.
I don't consider it funny or an enjoyable show when ignorant and misguided individuals do stupid things that seriously harm them or cost them their life, generally speaking, but maybe that's just me.
I do blame our education system in part. Critical thinking can be taught relatively easily. Instead we teach kids irrelevant, useless things to the exclusion of meaningful life lessons.
bclaymiles
Posts: 461 +402
That's your counter argument to cited facts? Well no, it isn't - it's no argument at all. Resorting to name calling is childish. If you're incapable of reading information (from reliable sources) and contemplating that maybe your claims were wrong - or at minimum exaggerations and histrionics - perhaps you might consider boning up on the principles and methods of critical thinking for yourself. It's not a defense of Trump to call out misinformation you've regurgitated from mainstream media.
Feel free to actually counter any of the information I provided with a rational and thoughtfull response.
wiyosaya
Posts: 11,586 +12,677
Sooner or later, the AIs that are giving medical advice like this will be shut down by some government agency for practicing medicine without a license.+
Pretty much, any sea salt will give the same benefits as claimed for the pink Himalayan salt.
Iodine is in seaweed like dulce. Dulce is tasty, too, especially the dried dulce that can be bought.
Pretty much, any sea salt will give the same benefits as claimed for the pink Himalayan salt.
WaphleStomp
Posts: 171 +107
Perhaps. I believe the responsibility lies with the individual. We all (most, anyways) celebrate and champion the rights of adulthood ... and then blame others (people, companies, law enforcement, neighbours, etc.) when things don't work out as expected.
If my (adult) kid strapped a rocket to his pinto and smashed it into a rockwall at 2mhp I'd be sad he's gone, but I'd argue with anyone to defend his right to do something so foolish, ... and, I'd probably have a laugh at his expense for being so stupid.
Do something stupid, own it.
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