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Microsoft rolls out Windows 10 'reliability' patch to fix update-blocking software issues

By Polycount · 47 replies
Aug 5, 2019
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  1. If your copy of Windows 10 hasn't updated itself in a while, you may be counting yourself lucky -- the ability to enjoy a system as it is, without any sweeping and unexpected OS-wide changes, is probably an appealing notion to many.

    However, there's a chance your PC's lack of updates (whether you consider that positive or not) may be due to software issues that are preventing it from grabbing the latest Windows 10 version from Microsoft's servers.

    According to Toms Hardware, Microsoft is bringing back its KB4023057 update for the OS, which will attempt to solve these problems automatically. Microsoft describes the update as follows (from its full KB4023057 Support page):

    This update includes files and resources that address issues that affect the update processes in Windows 10 that may prevent important Windows updates from being installed. These improvements help make sure that updates are installed seamlessly on your device, and they help improve the reliability and security of devices that are running Windows 10.

    Some of the troubleshooting steps this update will perform include "cleaning up" registry keys, resetting network settings, repairing disabled or corrupted Windows files, and temporary file compression -- though the last step is more of a disk space-clearing tactic than a fix.

    If you want to avoid file compression (a file has been compressed if it has two blue arrows on it), be sure to free up some space on your device sooner rather than later. If you're too late, don't fret: you can manually uncompress files by right-clicking them, opening up the properties menu, and clicking the "Advanced" button. In that interface, there should be a toggle labeled "Compress contents to save disk space."

    Windows 10's latest reliability update should be automatically rolling out now. If successful, any existing update-blocking software issues should be solved, and the Windows 10 May 2019 Update will likely install itself shortly after.

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  2. EEatGDL

    EEatGDL TS Evangelist Posts: 695   +385

    "If your copy of Windows 10 hasn't updated itself in a while, you may be counting yourself lucky -- the ability to enjoy a system as it is, without any sweeping and unexpected OS-wide changes, is probably an appealing notion to many."

    That right there is why I hate "Windows as a service". I would be fine with something like Windows 10 LTS.
     
  3. dualkelly

    dualkelly TS Booster Posts: 80   +54

    Ha you can use several tools to destroy windows updates for example black bird and O&O ShutUp10 including a nice outgoing firewall that will block all update services from happening. Win 10 is not done updated you into blue screens of death... they are going to keep going which means they are going to wipe out many of the fan boi computers.
     
  4. SolarisGuru

    SolarisGuru TS Booster Posts: 26   +34

    I agree completely. I’m wondering when they’ll try to start charging us a monthly or yearly subscription fee to continue receiving updates or even to be able to use our computers.

    I’m sure It will be some little nag notification complaining you are late on payments or you just won’t be able to login... or maybe it will let you login but not allow you to change certain settings (like an non-activated copy of Windows 10).
     
  5. Dimitrios

    Dimitrios TS Guru Posts: 497   +367

    It's the gift that keeps on giving.
     
  6. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Evangelist Posts: 4,118   +2,406

    ShutUp10 does not work in all cases.
     
  7. Dyson Parkes

    Dyson Parkes TS Booster Posts: 41   +33

    Resetting network settings is a potential nightmare, especially in scenarios where there are dual NICs set up to allow for inter-LAN bridging scenarios. Having one with no internet access (static IP with no gateway) and one with full network access is not uncommon. Removing custom settings for networking should be a no-go for this.
     
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  8. p51d007

    p51d007 TS Evangelist Posts: 2,004   +1,271

    And tomorrow, they will find a bug created by this bug fix LOL.
     
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  9. DukeJukem

    DukeJukem TS Booster Posts: 99   +54

    So since this update attempts to repair system files and errors, what is it going to do to my system if I've disabled all of the windows defender services and completely deleted all of the windows defender folders from my drive? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
     
  10. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 11,496   +5,063

    I would like to think MS is smart enough not to make a self-destructive move like that.
     
  11. Vanlalngaia

    Vanlalngaia TS Rookie

    Your system will crash or you'll be unable to delete that folder.
     
  12. dualkelly

    dualkelly TS Booster Posts: 80   +54

    Took about 15 tools plus blocking ip access at a router level so that win 10 will not to talk to microsoft. there can be a honest discussion about windows pushing updates and the pros vs cons and im all for that however the data harvesting to sell it to advertisers can flat out be stripped from my operating system. Microsoft can just cant die soon enough.
     
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  13. Graloc25

    Graloc25 TS Rookie Posts: 38   +11

    You think?But maybe if they are convinced they're the OS God that might just be the trigger for someone to build a better mouse trap.
     
  14. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 11,496   +5,063

    @Graloc25, If Microsoft makes that self-destructive move, all others would be a better OS without changing anything.
     
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  15. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Evangelist Posts: 4,118   +2,406

    IMO, they are on the edge of that slippery slope already.
     
  16. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 15,072   +4,080

    I've been saying that for years. I still think M$ is waiting to see how Adobe fares in the long run, with its new all subscription model.

    You can't even buy "Lightroom" on DVD anymore..

    That, together with M$ waiting patiently for the majority of Windows 7 machines to die off. Remember kidz, ALL of both Intel's and AMD's new CPUs are only FULLY compatible with Windows 10!

    If that doesn't smell like a deal made in the boardroom's bathroom, I struggle to imagine what would. The next thing they'll do is crap in the middle of your living room rug. Maybe that would get your attention..


    And for the most part, you people are goading M$ into a subscription model, partially by being too damned lazy, (or time consumed), to make the 10 install from a disc.

    C'mom, tell the truth people, aren't M$' servers the teats you most want to nurse from?
     
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  17. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 15,072   +4,080

    @Polycount About this:

    "However, there's a chance your PC's lack of updates (whether you consider that positive or not) may be due to software issues that are preventing it from grabbing the latest Windows 10 version from Microsoft's servers".

    Bovine bulls can weigh up to almost 2 tons. But frankly, I can't imagine even a bull that size putting out more crap than M$. What this next update will do, is kill all the software people have installed to prevent Windows from updating, (and spraying their personal data right back at M$).
     
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  18. Puiu

    Puiu TS Evangelist Posts: 3,506   +1,973

    You can't expect AMD and Intel to provide drivers for old operating systems. You CPU and mobo may or may not work with the default generic drivers and that's about it. I think you are forgetting that in the past you didn't even have generic drivers.
     
  19. BSim500

    BSim500 TS Evangelist Posts: 613   +1,238

    They already do quietly provide them. Z370, B365, H310 (R2.0) as well as B350, X370, B450 and X470 boards have chipset, RAID, etc, drivers for W7. And all the 3rd party stuff, eg, Realtek audio, LAN, Wi-Fi, etc, drivers are usually present. NVMe drivers & hotfixes are there. Example download page for one of the more popular Ryzen boards:-
    https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B450M-MORTAR#down-driver&Win7 64

    Literally the only thing broken for W7 are the AMD APU's (2200G-3400G) due to some strange ACPI changes specific to only those chips. Everything else (Kaby / Coffee Lake and Ryzen CPU's) simply needs USB slipstreamed (once) and it works fine. As always with Microsoft "upgrade threats" there are two 'layers' - Microsoft's official statements vs the actual truth...
    https://I.imgur.com/crDemMr.jpg
     
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  20. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 15,072   +4,080

    Perhaps, but you have to go back to XP in some cases to run into that situation. For example, "Vista" was the 2nd most hated operating system next to Win 8 (0). Yet it still had generic drivers for SATA. Very few saw the beauty in that, but it was pretty much the OS's only saving grace. Since Vista, SATA drivers have remained generic through 3 generations of SATA ports

    I still think and honestly believe that when M$ says, "software is preventing you from having the latest version of Windows 10", that they meant they're going to kill all of the user installed software, which is preventing them full access and control of your machine, along with full access to your salable data.

    And yes, I would expect, at the very least, motherboard makers, to supply drivers all the way back to Windows 7, if not XP. That would be tantamount to thumbing their collective nose at M$, and putting them squarely in their customer's corner.

    I'll give you one great example. My latest Gigabyte board, (Z170 series), has a UEFI BIOS. (If I'm still allowed to even call that a "BIOS")., has a provision called, "USB 3.0 hand off". What it does, is run USB 3.0 through UEFI, until the OS is fully installed, thus enabling Windows 7 to be fully installed, without ANY slip streaming nonsense, and defeating Windows 7's lack of USB 2.0 support. With that provision, I was able to install Windows 7 just as easily as I would have been able to install XP, back in the day. Once 7 is installed, you change the UEFI USB setting to the OS' control, and you're fully up and running..

    Hell, with their last update, M$ blatantly told customers it would break sh!t they no longer wanted to deal with, "for security reasons".

    It's always "update for security reasons"! How else are you going to panic the herd? It's the same thing as yelling "wolf", on a sheep ranch
     
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  21. Capaill

    Capaill TS Evangelist Posts: 917   +505

    Lately, my W10 PC has been getting a very pretty graphical nag screen telling me that I must update now because my version of Windows will become unsupported in November. First of all, I don't want your updates. And secondly, why are you nagging me now? November is 3 months away. I wonder how much longer it will give me the option to skip the update.
     
  22. NicktheWVAHick

    NicktheWVAHick TS Addict Posts: 151   +118

    Are we talking about Microsoft Windows 10 or Boeing’s 737 MAX MCAS software?
     
  23. treetops

    treetops TS Evangelist Posts: 2,609   +595

    My Ryzen 2600 works just fine on Windows 7. All I had to do was manually download the updates with WSUS Offline Update. Windows "This hardware does not work, we cannot update etc" pop up is the only problem. Turn windows updater off, use a manual windows updater, enter your windows key and that's it. The same applies to the Ryzen 3900x and intels 9900kf
     
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  24. ManuelV

    ManuelV TS Addict Posts: 130   +64

    Windows 10 has become update hell, and is 10 times worst if you manage 20+ pcs and use deep freeze. They should make things right and make the importan security update tiny so they install very fast with every reboot.
     
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  25. Puiu

    Puiu TS Evangelist Posts: 3,506   +1,973

    Define "tiny" (on a more serious note: yes, MS needs to make the OS more modular so that updates are smaller - but it's such a behemoth of a code now that it will take a decade to modify).
    As for the update process... I worked during collage as an administrator for a fairly large school (right about the time windows 7 launched I think) and I literally managed hundreds of PCs of varying ages. That was hell, people are spoiled as to how easy updates are to make now and just how less crash prone they are. When I had an update crash on windows 7 I usually had to reinstall the whole OS or spend hours trying to fix it.

    Since then the updates have become less and less of an issue. If an update doesn't install properly it generally reverts back to the previous state. The only legit issue people have today is with the fact that it's harder to control when the updates happen (or it used to be before the latest windows changes).
     

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