Microsoft says that all new processors will only be compatible with Windows 10

If I understand this correctly, MS is telling these chipmakers to REMOVE code that would otherwise allow earlier windows to work on those systems??
I have no words...
Maybe one...Linux
I have a word for you, AGREE. I am waiting for more software to become compatible with Linux. These companies might as well capitulate it is going to happen.
 
I would suggest people read the full blog release from MS

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/01/15/windows-10-embracing-silicon-innovation/

Having a read of the post it sounds like this is a requirement in order to deliver new innovation and development from the full platform....... CPU > Chipset > OS.

MS makes a point that Windows 7 has now been out for 10 years and it is expensive to to deliver new features across all platforms and also have innovation at the same time....... this seems logical

Up until now MS had a seamless license model where if you had a license for windows 10 you could install any previous versions, I don't believe Apple has ever had this.

My bet would be that this is fairly much the same for all OS manufactures except the others are not advertising this fact and Apple control the hardware and the OS (which I think is worse than this) resulting in this situation being very rare.
 
If I understand this correctly, MS is telling these chipmakers to REMOVE code that would otherwise allow earlier windows to work on those systems??
I have no words...
Maybe one...Linux

yeah...let me know when that 'Linux' juggernaut/revolution catches fire. :p

It just kills me. Linux is only used by a TINY FRACTION of people, and, there is a reason for that. Arcane, difficult and crappy. No games, no apps, no use outside of servers.

And every last one has to come out to ***** and moan.


Unless you know how to use Linux. I must say I do not know how to use windows, Linux does not crash. I can only use operating systems that do not crash, I am not that advanced yet!!! hahaha
 
Why would you buy a 2017 cpu and pair it with windows 7, don't forget about dx12. Yes it works, if you don't want to take full advantage of your new cpu, you can use it with win7. And you always have the option to buy an older/skylake i7, better than current/next gen i5 and work fully with windows7.
 
People... you need to understand the difference between SUPPORT and COMPATIBLE.... You'll almost certainly be able to run Windows 7 on any new silicon... MS simply won't SUPPORT it!!

You can still install Windows 95 on your Haswell PC if you really want to.... it will just SUCK because Win95 is obsolete....

So... when you buy a new PC in 5 years, you can put Windows 7 on it... it WILL run... but WHY WOULD YOU?!?!?! Windows 10 (or 11 or 12, or whatever) will be the newest OS and you're going to want to install that on your PC...

As for Linux... I suppose the people who want to put an obsolete Windows OS on their PC would be thrilled to add a Linux distro instead...
 
If I understand this correctly, MS is telling these chipmakers to REMOVE code that would otherwise allow earlier windows to work on those systems??
I have no words...
Maybe one...Linux

yeah...let me know when that 'Linux' juggernaut/revolution catches fire. :p

I used Linux years ago as a test OS and while I liked it, there was no real use for it for me. That would probably go for 99% of consumers as well. If Linux was ever going to be a major competitor, it would have happened already.

Basically this. I've played around with a few Linux distros, and while they were fun and cool, they just weren't practical for what I would want or need.
 
If I understand this correctly, MS is telling these chipmakers to REMOVE code that would otherwise allow earlier windows to work on those systems??
I have no words...
Maybe one...Linux
I have a word for you, AGREE. I am waiting for more software to become compatible with Linux. These companies might as well capitulate it is going to happen.

As long as Linux remains under the iron grip of the lousy Linux zealots, you will be waiting forever.
 
Some users seem to not understand what's is going on. Windows 10 currently supports and will support old and new CPUs, but the newest CPUs will only be fully supported by Windows 10 if you want to use a Windows OS. Obviously these new processors will work on Linux, Mac and so on...
They will even work on Windows 8/7/Vista and XP, the only difference is any NEW FEATURES won't be supported by them. You will still be able to use any OS you want to install with that shiny new CPU but don't expect every single feature to be supported unless you have Windows 10. The same thing happens with GPUs, that shiny new DX12 GPU isn't going to work 100% on Windows 7 since it does not support DX12, it is no different. The only thing I see wrong is the VERY clickbaitish titles EVERY article on this has, not one of them has it phrased the right way.
 
If I understand this correctly, MS is telling these chipmakers to REMOVE code that would otherwise allow earlier windows to work on those systems??
I have no words...
Maybe one...Linux
I'm pretty sure it says that when support for win "< 10" is ended, they will not release updates for new cpus that will ensure that they work properly. However that doesn't mean they're removing support for them. They're just not maintaining further support,

Which I still don't agree with. I'm glad I've got Linux on my PC and laptop. Windows 10 has to remain for games though.
 
[/QUOTE]As long as Linux remains under the iron grip of the lousy Linux zealots, you will be waiting forever.[/QUOTE]
Lol? The Linux zealots have nothing to do with software compatibility.

Linux zealots are the *****s who look down on people who don't use gentoo, or arch, or something like that. That's not good, but it's nothing to do with compatibility. I must also point out, there are buffoons everywhere, these ones just happen to use linux.
 
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It just kills me. Linux is only used by a TINY FRACTION of people, and, there is a reason for that. Arcane, difficult and crappy. No games, no apps, no use outside of servers.

And every last one has to come out to ***** and moan.

If you base your opinion on ignorance, people will come and tell you what's what. Here's some useful information that you will ignore, but I'll leave this here in case anyone is intrigued by Linux.

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Linux is actually a kernel, but we all use it to refer to the hundreds of distributions (akin to windows 10,7,8, OSX). All of the popular ones are not Arcane nor crappy. Some are difficult to setup, but at no point are you forced to use any particular distro. Linux will teach you, and that's really valuable. If you want to be lazy, then go and use OSX, because windows has it's own set of complications.

There are some games, but nowhere near enough to beat Windows. Windows is irreplaceable for gaming. As such, I dual boot Ubuntu Gnome and Windows 10. As for apps, everything I've wanted to do in Windows (and I do a lot of stuff...) is possible in Linux. Gaming in Linux is still in progress.

There are exceptions, which is why Linux is not for everyone. But for many people, what they need is there.
Photoshop, 3dsmax (maya works on linux), those kinds of apps don't work on Linux. MS Office 2010 works well in WINE.

And then there's Microsoft, and Windows. The privacy rubbish, having to pay for a Windows license, not being able to control updates, not having windows support ( x < 10) for new cpus, etc...

So the summary is. As a desktop OS, many Linux distros are there. For gaming, Linux hasn't got there yet, although, when AMD sort out there GPU drivers, and opengl next/vulkan comes along, Linux gaming can become a thing.
 
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If I understand this correctly, MS is telling these chipmakers to REMOVE code that would otherwise allow earlier windows to work on those systems??
I have no words...
Maybe one...Linux

yeah...let me know when that 'Linux' juggernaut/revolution catches fire. :p

It just kills me. Linux is only used by a TINY FRACTION of people, and, there is a reason for that. Arcane, difficult and crappy. No games, no apps, no use outside of servers.

And every last one has to come out to ***** and moan.

Just because Linux doesn't have a very good reputation, when it comes to games support, does not make it a terrible OS. Yes, Linux is a bit more complex to learn than Windows, but there are distributions out there, that can ease that process a bit. Also another big problem, is laziness and the fact, that people are not willing to go that extra mile to learn about the OS. I am a Windows user as well as a Linux user, I understand that the OS may be a little difficult to use/learn, but I am willing to strive and advance....

On the app side of things, just because, they are all command based, does not make them useless or ineffective. On the contrary, it makes them more powerful than GUI based ones. They offer more flexibility and options than GUI based ones. In addition, Windows has frustrated me a lot in the past and I am very thankful for the open sources tools that Linux has.

I don't care about Games much, all I can about is getting my job done....
 
If I understand this correctly, MS is telling these chipmakers to REMOVE code that would otherwise allow earlier windows to work on those systems??
I have no words...
Maybe one...Linux

yeah...let me know when that 'Linux' juggernaut/revolution catches fire. :p

It just kills me. Linux is only used by a TINY FRACTION of people, and, there is a reason for that. Arcane, difficult and crappy. No games, no apps, no use outside of servers.

And every last one has to come out to ***** and moan.

Just because Linux doesn't have a very good reputation, when it comes to games support, does not make it a terrible OS. Yes, Linux is a bit more complex to learn than Windows, but there are distributions out there, that can ease that process a bit. Also another big problem, is laziness and the fact, that people are not willing to go that extra mile to learn about the OS. I am a Windows user as well as a Linux user, I understand that the OS may be a little difficult to use/learn, but I am willing to strive and advance....

On the app side of things, just because, they are all command based, does not make them useless or ineffective. On the contrary, it makes them more powerful than GUI based ones. They offer more flexibility and options than GUI based ones. In addition, Windows has frustrated me a lot in the past and I am very thankful for the open sources tools that Linux has.

I don't care about Games much, all I can about is getting my job done....
This. Though it's rather rare that you have to use a CLI, it's just that, after a while you'll want to. I used to use Windows only, and I thought that a CLI was just archaic. But after using it, it becomes apparent that it's actually quicker, easier, and the CLI provides you with more information. I can simply hit, "~", "udg" and all my applications will update.

("udg" is an alias I've setup for sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade). I'm sure that you know this, just letting the ignoramus know this.

And before some ms fanboy decides to tell us to stop being open minded, and exposing the ignorance towards linux. Let me tell you this. We have as much right to post a comment as the next person, and I'm using that right, right now.
 
I used Linux years ago as a test OS and while I liked it, there was no real use for it for me. That would probably go for 99% of consumers as well. If Linux was ever going to be a major competitor, it would have happened already.
You can't possibly know that. Give Ubuntu time and they'll go for the mainstream audience. In the meantime, they can just let Microsoft do stupid stuff like this.

Linux hasn't taken off yet, because most people are still ignorant towards it. No linux distro advertises.

Windows has been in the public eye for a long time. There is nothing stopping any distro from competing at a later date. There is no need for them to do it now. Quite frankly, I'd rather that people who are extremely ignorant stay away from the platform.
 
This article doesn't say anything about Linux.... Not sure why it became a thread saying how awesome or crappy it is...
Yes, various Linux distros can be superior to Windows.... I don't think anyone can debate that.... But since only a tiny % of people use it, this isn't relevant to this thread...

I suppose I'm trying to say that talking about how great Linux is in this thread is like talking about how great chocolate is.... Yes, it's great - but IRRELEVANT!!!!
 
This article doesn't say anything about Linux.... Not sure why it became a thread saying how awesome or crappy it is...
Yes, various Linux distorts can be superior to Windows.... I don't think anyone can debate that.... But since only a tiny % of people use it, this isn't relevant to this thread...

I suppose I'm trying to say that talking about how great Linux is in this thread is like talking about how great chocolate is.... Yes, it's great - but IRRELEVANT!!!!
It is relevant. Because of all the stunts that Microsoft have been pulling in recent times, Linux distributions are becoming an interesting alternative.

I was just talking to someone about the whole issue of app/game support on linux, and how Linux isn't getting the support it needs, because it doesn't have enough users. And I said, "how can you say that it's okay to not support linux because there's little interest in linux support, when there is little interest in linux, because of the lack of support?"

You've got to look after the egg, before it can hatch and become a chicken.
 
Not very happy to hear this. I have been annoyed by Windows 10 ever since I tried to install PC Wizard from CPUID onto it, and if flat out told me NO. I didn't get a "well this might not run right, are you sure?" Just No...
Maybe I need to go through the Win10 App store, idk. I just know It pissed me off, and I was running an evaluation copy in a VM just to play around with it... Glad I hadn't shelled out any cash for it.

So now to hear I may have to upgrade to Win10 to take full advance of the new Skylake CPU's and DDR4 ram in my graphic design computer does not make me happy. I understand supporting older operating systems takes some work, but Windows 7 is not that old. As someone else already pointed out in was released in July of 2009. I still haven't finished upgrading all my work computers up to Win7. A few still have XP! Now they are trying to force out Win7.....

I really wish could run Adobe CC suite on Linux. I would switch in a heart beat for my graphic design computer.
Already run Ubuntu at home and love. At first it was a dual boot, and I would boot over to play with it every now and then, but after several months I booted into Win7 less and less, and finally removed the dual boot.
I know many people complain about the lacking of games, but since Steam released their SteamOS more and more games natively support Linux. And more and more game engines and development suites allow for exporting software for multiple OS's, Linux included.

And Linux doesn't talk back. If I buy a piece of software(or download for free in Linux case) I want to be able to screw around with it how ever I want to. If I break it that is my own damn fault. I do not like the Windows trend of wrapping you in bubble wrap.
And I wont tough Apple. Apple products only "work" when you use them how Apple thinks you should be using them. Apple has such a restrictive view of ownership it gives me the creeps.

As mentioned earlier I have to run Windows at work to get Adobe CC suite to work. And I go home at least once a week frustrated with Windows. Thinking "Damnit X would have been a hell of a lot easier to do in Linux". For example, currently setting up a new computer with Win7 for the shop, and wading my way through driver hell.....

But best of all I can update 95% of all the software & OS on my Linux machine with 2 commands, and a Yes. Ran an full updated the other day that took up LESS space then before. When was the last time a Windows updated saved space?
 
It is relevant. Because of all the stunts that Microsoft have been pulling in recent times, Linux distributions are becoming an interesting alternative.

I was just talking to someone about the whole issue of app/game support on linux, and how Linux isn't getting the support it needs, because it doesn't have enough users. And I said, "how can you say that it's okay to not support linux because there's little interest in linux support, when there is little interest in linux, because of the lack of support?"

You've got to look after the egg, before it can hatch and become a chicken.

Stunts?!? This isn't a stunt.... As many have already pointed out, this is simply what every software developer does.... Once you make a new version of your stuff, you stop supporting the old one...

Windows XP, 7, and 8 haven't changed.... They'll still continue to work... But only a fool would buy a new PC and put obsolete software on it..

As for Linux "becoming an interesting alternative"... To who?!?! Linux STILL makes up a tiny % of OSes and clearly isn't becoming anything other than a niche OS...
 
Stunts?!? This isn't a stunt.... As many have already pointed out, this is simply what every software developer does.... Once you make a new version of your stuff, you stop supporting the old one...

Windows XP, 7, and 8 haven't changed.... They'll still continue to work... But only a fool would buy a new PC and put obsolete software on it..

As for Linux "becoming an interesting alternative"... To who?!?! Linux STILL makes up a tiny % of OSes and clearly isn't becoming anything other than a niche OS...
Don't take stunts literally. Things like the privacy, the forced updates. This just fits in with that.

it makes sense, but that doesn't make it a good thing.

Like I said before, Linux has a low market share, because few companies will take a risk and port their applications. It's a "chicken and the egg situation". It already is a nice OS, but it can become much more in time. Unless you're crystal ball can prove me wrong?
 
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