Microsoft says that all new processors will only be compatible with Windows 10

Oh I know it isn't news... hence my surprise when people decided to argue...

And what other argument do you want for adopting Windows 10? If you're a gamer, and you want to play any of the new DirectX 12 games that will come out in the coming years, Windows 10 is your only option... not to mention I would bet that eventually MS Office will only run on Windows 10 (but probably not for 5-10 years)...

But newest and free are pretty good reasons on their own....
 
...[ ]...And what other argument do you want for adopting Windows 10? If you're a gamer, and you want to play any of the new DirectX 12 games that will come out in the coming years, Windows 10 is your only option... not to mention I would bet that eventually MS Office will only run on Windows 10 (but probably not for 5-10 years)...
I have no doubt people's choice of activity will force Win 10 on them. But for those of us who build our own machines, Windows 10 is NOT free. It amounts to a service pack added to a license the person has already paid for. You don't get a "free" copy of 10 without losing a $100.00+ copy of Win 7.

As for M$ Office, the only thing I use it for is to copy web pages to rich text files. And then not actually Office, but rather M$ Works. Which BTW used to cost about $25,00. M$ discontinued it to force people to upgrade to the much more expensive Office. The bottom line is, the average person could get along fine and dandy with Works, and Office is a way overkill, "solution". Works was handed out as value added software with many pre-builts, and had a perpetual "license". (IIRC, the "M$ Works" license was value added via certain Intel motherboards. If the board died you lost the software).

But newest and free are pretty good reasons on their own....
That depends on who you're trying to impress.

Here's an early adopter leading the herd into Windows10 and beyond into the "cloud".
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What's the point of an OS other than to do the stuff you want on your PC.... if an older version of Windows won't do it and the newer one will.... I'd go with the newer one... and it's only NOT free if you want to keep your old version of Windows.... which is foolish...
 
What's the point of an OS other than to do the stuff you want on your PC.... if an older version of Windows won't do it and the newer one will.... I'd go with the newer one... and it's only NOT free if you want to keep your old version of Windows.... which is foolish...
Well, if you only have one PC, then yeah. But I build a new one for sport, for my birthday, or maybe as my own Santa Claus, every couple of years. So unless you want to have the old ones sitting around as hulks, or loaded with Linux, then you DO need the old OS.

For example, Windows XP SP-2 would fine and dandy to use sitting around, instead of shoveling my sidewalk, to argue with you. I happen to be on a machine with Win 7, so that's overkill. With "the latest and greatest Windows 10" to carry on this discussion, I would be pissing a perfectly fine OS, or a hundred bucks, up a wall.

You really can't come to grips with the concept there are other people in the world, with different opinions, different needs, and different plans moving forward than your own. Which quite frankly, calls to mind the qualities of a narcissist.

I've never upgraded an OS in my life, I simply build another computer, and that's what I'll do about Windows 10. When it's forced on me, I'll adopt it.

But all this crap flying through here about how wonderful it is M$ is giving away Windows 10, (IMHO), is simply a bunch of fools who have overdosed on some clown/megalomanic CEO's propaganda.

Don't you think they could have updated XP to run SATA natively? Don't you think they could have added DX-12 and/or Cortana to Windows 10 via update?

They just said "no more service packs", and as near as I can tell, the Windows 10 zealots said, "duh, OK", in return.
 
So unless you want to have the old ones sitting around as hulks, or loaded with Linux, then you DO need the old OS.
And there is nothing stopping anyone from keeping their old OS. This topic is about compatibility of installing an old OS on new hardware not old hardware. Nothing will change for older hardware as far as its own OS generation.

It's simple really and the concept has been the same for many years:
  • If you want old hardware stick with an old OS
  • If you want an old OS stick with old hardware
  • If you want a new OS get new hardware
  • If you want new hardware get a new OS
People see this as a bold move on MS part. What allows them to do this without massive backlash, is the free upgrade that moves the last 6 years of OS buyers to the newest OS. And by the time new CPU's get here, another year will have passed making it 7 years. 7 years is plenty of time to drop backward compatibility of anything prior, that hasn't been allowed a free upgrade to Windows 10.

After MS issued the free upgrade to Windows 10, arguments against this is petty. I'm fairly certain MS was banking on dropping compatibility when they offered Windows 10 for free the first year. In my opinion it was a crafty move to allow the free upgrade cycle before the new architect came out. After all anyone that can't run Windows 10 (whether they want to is beside the point) is stuck in the past regardless as it is.
 
And there is nothing stopping anyone from keeping their old OS. This topic is about compatibility of installing an old OS on new hardware not old hardware. Nothing will change for older hardware as far as its own OS generation.

It's simple really and the concept has been the same for many years:
  • If you want old hardware stick with an old OS
  • If you want an old OS stick with old hardware
  • If you want a new OS get new hardware
  • If you want new hardware get a new OS
People see this as a bold move on MS part. What allows them to do this without massive backlash, is the free upgrade that moves the last 6 years of OS buyers to the newest OS. And by the time new CPU's get here, another year will have passed making it 7 years. 7 years is plenty of time to drop backward compatibility of anything prior, that hasn't been allowed a free upgrade to Windows 10.

After MS issued the free upgrade to Windows 10, arguments against this is petty. I'm fairly certain MS was banking on dropping compatibility when they offered Windows 10 for free the first year. In my opinion it was a crafty move to allow the free upgrade cycle before the new architect came out. After all anyone that can't run Windows 10 (whether they want to is beside the point) is stuck in the past regardless as it is.
You should really be quoting this to the Squidster, as I have pretty much co9vered this POV 15 ways from Sunday.

But to recap, Windows 10 is not free if you're putting it into an existing machine. In the case of Windows 8.0, M$ is burying its mistakes.

As to your "rabbit out of a hat number" of 7 years backward compatibility. Parts should still work under the Universal PnP convention for as long as there are desktops. Manufacturers are trying to re-legislate UPnP, by simply ignoring it, or selling more products to which it doesn't attach.

So, if the millennium techsters want to campaign for internet as a "right", or a "utility", then the poor people who are entitled to it, might still need stuff that can be fixed when it breaks, and is older than 7 years.

Save for that point, you're preaching to the choir.
 
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You should really be quoting this to the Squidster, as I have pretty much co9vered this POV 15 ways from Sunday.

But to recap, Windows 10 is not free if you're putting it into an existing machine. In the case of Windows 8.0, M$ is burying its mistakes.

What we've TRIED to get through to you is that this article has NOTHING TO DO with old PCs.... It's talking about NEW ones only supporting Windows 10 in the future....

And it IS free as long as you don't need your old OS.... Which you shouldn't want anyways.... Alas, you just don't get it...
 
...[ ]...And it IS free as long as you don't need your old OS.... Which you shouldn't want anyways.... Alas, you just don't get it...
But yes, I do get it. .I simply don't care what you think. If I were stupid enough to upgrade to Windows 8.0, you would be right. I'm not, and thus you are simply trying to inflict your opinion on me. You're going to tell me what I should or shouldn't want? **** *** Go talk down to someone else.
 
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Against my better judgement I suppose I'll try one more time.... I'll try using smaller words so you understand...

THIS ARTICLE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OLD MACHINES!!

Your version of Windows 7 will continue to work on your old PC if you want it to for twenty years - as apparently you keep old PCs around that long...

Any new PC, however, will only SUPPORT Windows 10 - old versions of Windows WILL be COMPATIBLE- just not SUPPORTED!

Not sure why this is such a big deal to you.... If you really want to install Windows 7 on the PC you buy in 2020, go right ahead - MS isn't stopping you.... You'd just be a fool to do so as any new technology advances (and there should be a few we hope) won't be supported...

So any reply with "Windows 10 isn't free" or "Windows 10 has spyware" or any other complaint you may have really have no relevance to this thread....

I'm not "inflicting my opinion" on you - I'm just saying your opinion doesn't have any impact on the point of this article.... As we've been trying to get you to understand for the past several days now...
 
Right! I pulled Windows 7 release date of Mid 2009 out my ***.
I'm not sure we're talking about "compatibility" in the same context. But, when you have people around here haphazardly spraying the notion the "Windows 7 is 10 years old", then yeah, that's exactly where you got that number...

So, I've been told that because Windows was on the " drawing board for longer than it has been released", which means you can attach a random age to it, (to avoid an admission of error) which should mean that, "backwards compatibility" attaches to a least whatever number you've suggested as being Win 7's actual age.

I'm well aware you'll consider arguing in a manner which is stupid, ignorant, obnoxious and pushy, "not nice" or "cranky". But I feel to fighting fire with fire is the only option left to me..

As you're aware, until now, Intel's release of a new socket, (a "tock") has signaled "obsolescence" of their prior products. However, provisions have normally been entertained in the chipsets, to install whichever Windows edition one has had laying around. When M$ comes out and tells me "new CPUs will only accept Windows 10", well that's bordering on criminal. Could this be in any way attached that Skylake hasn't turned out to be all it was advertised to be?

Accordingly, the average hobbyist won't get Windows 10 for free, since he or she would be more likely to build a new computer altogether, requiring the purchase of a new operating system. If you have one PC in your life which you're constantly upgrading, desperately trying to avoid purchasing a new machine, then yes, Windows 10 is free for you.

If anybody was dumb enough to build or buy a computer with Windows 8.0 attached, then yes, the great god of Redmond has indeed bestowed his Windows 10 largess upon you.
 
Any new PC, however, will only SUPPORT Windows 10 - old versions of Windows WILL be COMPATIBLE- just not SUPPORTED!...[ ]....
Microsoft says that all new processors will only be compatible with Windows 10
Can you read?

Because unless the article is mis-titled or otherwise loaded with qualifiers, it would appear not.
 
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Microsoft says that all new processors will only be compatible with Windows 10
Can you read?

Yes I can... but when MS says it, they MEAN that they SUPPORT it.... They can't say it's compatible unless they test it 100% - and since they won't be doing that with old OSes, they won't... but it will still work!

So yes, while it won't be "officially" compatible, it WILL be compatible...ie: it WILL work... but again... WHY WOULD YOU WANT IT TO!!
 
But, when you have people around here haphazardly spraying the notion the "Windows 7 is 10 years old", then yeah, that's exactly where you got that number...
Ahh so you are assuming I meant 10 years when I plainly said 7, simply because that is the number others are saying. If you didn't add words to what people say, there would be less conflict. If you want me to be rude I can be rude, you seem to be trolling for it.
I'm well aware you'll consider arguing in a manner which is stupid, ignorant, obnoxious and pushy, "not nice" or "cranky".
Why do you always describe yourself, in the way you negatively talk about or treat others? Keep your personal opinions of others to yourself. This is a tech forum not a psychology office. If I wanted someones opinion about my behavior, I damn sure wouldn't come to you. Consulting someone with the same problem would not accomplish anything. Notice I didn't deny having a problem but you must be if you are pointing a finger.
 
I just pulled a new monitor out of the box. (I bought it a couple of years ago). Lo and behold, it says it is compatible with Windows XP through Windows 7. Unless I am mistaken, that's bordering on 20 years of backwards compatibility, a number which has nothing to do with Cliff's arbitrary acceptance of 7 years as a cutoff.
Yes I can... but when MS says it, they MEAN that they SUPPORT it.... They can't say it's compatible unless they test it 100% - and since they won't be doing that with old OSes, they won't... but it will still work!
Maybe.

So yes, while it won't be "officially" compatible, it WILL be compatible...ie: it WILL work... but again... WHY WOULD YOU WANT IT TO!!
I dodged Vista by buying a spare copy of XP in advance. I dodged Windows 8.0 by buying a copy of Windows 7 in advance. M$ has tacitly admitted how badly they screwed up with that, by releasing Win 8.1, and now Windows 10. The OS itself has to a certain extent has "devolved" to embrace more of Windows 7's qualities than good old M$ is admitting.

Let's just say I value my privacy more than the company of "Cortana", "Who" incidentally, is about as Freudian as it gets, along with being sexist. After all, shouldn't lonely female Win 10 users be entitled to a reassuring male voice?

So, from a historical perspective, Windows 8.1 put a bit of Windows 7 back into the mix, and Win 10 even more so. At that point, Windows 10 becomes unnecessary, a status toy, if you will. One that harvests excessive amounts of your personal data, even as Cortana blows sunshine up your behind.

You've had an excuse, a cover up, and a self involved agenda for every conclusion you've drawn, or mistake of fact you've made in this thread.

Nothing you've said, has convinced me to anything except your answer to the question, "why do you want Windows 10", is anything more substantial than, "because".
 
I just pulled a new monitor out of the box. (I bought it a couple of years ago). Lo and behold, it says it is compatible with Windows XP through Windows 7. Unless I am mistaken, that's bordering on 20 years of backwards compatibility, a number which has nothing to do with Cliff's arbitrary acceptance of 7 years as a cutoff.
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Lol... You just helped prove my point for me :) Does your monitor's maker provide support for Windows 10? Or even Windows 8? Nope... But I bet it will still work with them - hence the difference between "official" support/compatibility and REAL compatibility.

And your math is fantastic.... It's 2016 now... and Windows XP was released August 21, 2001... 20 years? Now who's pulling numbers out of their @sses....

You're basically just trolling now, so move on and be a crank in some other thread....
 
Ahh so you are assuming I meant 10 years when I plainly said 7, simply because that is the number others are saying. If you didn't add words to what people say, there would be less conflict. If you want me to be rude I can be rude, you seem to be trolling for it.
Yes you can. And I was assuming nothing. I was merely suggesting that your estimate of Windows 7's age might need to be adjusted to align with other's
Why do you always describe yourself, in the way you negatively talk about or treat others? Keep your personal opinions of others to yourself. This is a tech forum not a psychology office. If I wanted someones opinion about my behavior, I damn sure wouldn't come to you. Consulting someone with the same problem would not accomplish anything. Notice I didn't deny having a problem but you must be if you are pointing a finger.
This issue is one we've discussed at length on several occasions. I'm not Zarathustra, I'm not talking about you through my self assessment, or through wild animals at you. You're paranoid, plain and simple, and you don't seem to be able to grasp the context of my syntax. Whatever I've said is a denigration of you? Right. I've seen this forum where you were weeping and gnashing your teeth over wanting to report me because I told a joke. Remember that?

Go back to hating all white people, (I'm Caucasian BTW), and put me back on your ignore list. That way you won't be thinking I'm saying bad things about you when I'm not.

And BTW, I'm well aware how rude you can be, I do read many of your posts, although I may not respond to them.

I also know how much you dislike me, as I'm not inclined to humor these little pouts of yours as others might.
 
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...[ ]...And your math is fantastic.... It's 2016 now... and Windows XP was released August 21, 2001... 20 years? Now who's pulling numbers out of their @sses....
I want to be "in with the in crowd". That's where they get their numbers, so that's where I want to get mine...(y)

BTW, what I actually said was, "bordering on 20 years of backwards compatibility," 16 years to 20 happens to have an LCD of 8/10, (4/5), Which really isn't as far off as your "7/10". So I guess you could say I was simply following, (and improving on), your good example in round off mathematics..:p

Or how about if I tell you that XP was on the drawing board long before 2001? Does that sound good to you?

You're basically just trolling now, so move on and be a crank in some other thread....
Are you really presumptuous to think you're important enough to tell me to leave this thread? You're not.
 
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If I understand this correctly, MS is telling these chipmakers to REMOVE code that would otherwise allow earlier windows to work on those systems??
I have no words...
Maybe one...Linux

yeah...let me know when that 'Linux' juggernaut/revolution catches fire. :p

It just kills me. Linux is only used by a TINY FRACTION of people, and, there is a reason for that. Arcane, difficult and crappy. No games, no apps, no use outside of servers.

And every last one has to come out to ***** and moan.
You do realize that Windows 10 is a free upgrade to these OBSOLETE OSes, right? And noone's forcing you to buy a new OS or new PC.... but if and when you do, it would only make sense to put the newest OS on it... common sense really...

LOL, even if it's buggy and prone to viruses? You sound like a Microsoft employee (or paid shill)...
 
What's funny is I've worked as primarily a microprocessor engineer for most of my life.
Microsoft's FUD campaign is actually laughable.

fud - fear, uncertainty and doubt, usually evoked intentionally in order to put a competitor at a disadvantage.

Sorry, Mickeysoft, an instruction set is an instruction set.
 
LOL, even if it's buggy and prone to viruses? You sound like a Microsoft employee (or paid shill)...

Explain how Windows 10 is buggy and prone to viruses.... At least, any more so than Windows 7 or 8... Are you the same person that complains that you can't upgrade your iphone/ipad to iOS 8 and have to go to 9....
 
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