MSI brings back the GeForce GT 730 amid graphics card shortages

[arrowflash]

It's just regrettable that Ryzen APUs are not more widespread but as AMD slowly gains ground on enterprise machines which are all moving towards thin clients anyway, this will be a relic of the past or something to test and get basic video output for when (Sadly, not if) another crypto coin removes all other GPUs from the market.

I know it's terribly fashionable to be an AMD fanboy, but the plain truth is that Intel HD-530 & HD-630 will outperform this card too.

I really like AMD APUs. I just built a Ryzen 5 3400G rig this month as a second machine, to replace an aged A6 6400K.

It was a pretty good upgrade, however I have to admit, I'm a bit disappointed with the integrated graphics performance. I didn't see the big jump in GPU performance I'd expect from the HD8470 on the A6 6400K, to the Vega 11 on the 3400G. Just like the APU it replaced, it's only really suitable for gaming at 720p or at most, 768p (1366x768) - framerates tank at 1080p, even in low settings with AA disabled.

And of course, nearly 20 years later, AMD still hasn't fixed their abysmal OpenGL performance, and at this point it's obvious they never will. I understand OpenGL is being phased out in favor of Vulkan, but there are many games and emulators that still use it.

It's really a shame that the new coming Zen3 APUs still have Vega graphics, and by the time Navi2 APUs arrive they will probably require a new motherboard and DDR5 ram if I plan on upgrading (I probably won't do it since it's not my main rig).

To reiterate, I can't speak to your issues, but........I own a GT-0730 (2 GB) and a GT-710. I can't get either one to run in the systems I had delegated them to.

I had thought all this garbage was, "backwards compatible". But that's not true, or so it would seem.

These cheap low end cards really are hit or miss. They're usually manufactured and put up for sale without any sort of quality control, especially if you purchase them from more generic brands from AliExpress which are widely available. I didn't notice you mentioning the brands of your cards, but we usually have better chances purchasing models from reputable video card makers (EVGA, Zotac, Gigabyte, XFX, etc). Even then, they usually have worse QC than higher end models...

Speaking of external SSD enclosures, I bought a bunch of Samsung 860 & 870s during recent sales. The plan was, to migrate all my Win 7 OS to larger drives, and keep the existing drives as backups.

So, I ordered 2 Wavlink SSD enclosures, and 2 "Orico" enclosures, The Oricos were shipped directly from China, (from the same wonderful people who brought us the "Kung Flu").

First, the Samsung migration software wouldn't acknowledge its own SSD in the enclosures. I had to install them in the board's SATA array..

That completed, I set about formatting all the extra drives (NTFS), to be used as basically USB sticks, since I don't network any of my machines. Well, the Wavlink cases seem to be working as they should, (you plug a drive into the USB, it appears, unplug it goes away).

No so with the Orico enclosures. You plug them in, and they destroy the boot sequence to the point where you have to go into boot manager and reset it, everytime you try and start the machine(s) I finally got my junk working usng BIOS, "load optimized defaults. I guess I can't send these junk enclosures back, since we're past 30 days, and they only cost $8.50 a pop anyway..

USB enclosures really are hit or miss and I've seen many fail. Orico tends to be a pretty good brand, however I've never used their USB enclosures.

The thing with USB is that, in general, it's a terrible, unreliable and unstable technology for storage and file transfers, and seems like every new revision only makes it even less reliable for this purpose.

 

[Diwiak]

So fking ridiculous, sad and absolutely useless at the same time

 

[captaincranky]

I really like AMD APUs. I just built a Ryzen 5 3400G rig this month as a second machine, to replace an aged A6 6400K.

It was a pretty good upgrade, however I have to admit, I'm a bit disappointed with the integrated graphics performance. I didn't see the big jump in GPU performance I'd expect from the HD8470 on the A6 6400K, to the Vega 11 on the 3400G. Just like the APU it replaced, it's only really suitable for gaming at 720p or at most, 768p (1366x768) - framerates tank at 1080p, even in low settings with AA disabled.

And of course, nearly 20 years later, AMD still hasn't fixed their abysmal OpenGL performance, and at this point it's obvious they never will. I understand OpenGL is being phased out in favor of Vulkan, but there are many games and emulators that still use it.

It's really a shame that the new coming Zen3 APUs still have Vega graphics, and by the time Navi2 APUs arrive they will probably require a new motherboard and DDR5 ram if I plan on upgrading (I probably won't do it since it's not my main rig).




These cheap low end cards really are hit or miss. They're usually manufactured and put up for sale without any sort of quality control, especially if you purchase them from more generic brands from AliExpress which are widely available. I didn't notice you mentioning the brands of your cards, but we usually have better chances purchasing models from reputable video card makers (EVGA, Zotac, Gigabyte, XFX, etc). Even then, they usually have worse QC than higher end models...



USB enclosures really are hit or miss and I've seen many fail. Orico tends to be a pretty good brand, however I've never used their USB enclosures.

The thing with USB is that, in general, it's a terrible, unreliable and unstable technology for storage and file transfers, and seems like every new revision only makes it even less reliable for this purpose.

I wanted to thank you for this. I appreciate your input, and the time it more than likely took you to give it....

A small point, I have bought and used Wavlink products before. A Wi-fi card I have of theirs is a beast, hasn't missed a beat yet.

I had thought that all the GT-730s were all NOS. But the 4 GB GDDR5 variant might actually be a new offering (?) I don't seem to recall 4 GB cards, just 1 & 2 GB models. But my short time memory has taken a hit, who knows, maybe the long term isn't firm either.

My 730 is MSI, but I don't necessarily consider that a top tier brand. Instead of the Amazon Marketplace seller blowing out the initial re-offering @$50.00, I wish it had gone to $70.00 first. I simply wouldn't have bought it

My 710 is EVGA, and IIRC it gives digital and S-VGA output in the same machine.(Not particularly well, but it does do it),

 

[Markoni35]

I'd rather use integrated graphics. Even Intel.

 

[HofyPC]

Hmmm, maybe it is time to pull the GTX 950 out of my old system and make a bundle $$$$

 

[Lew Zealand]

BTW I spent the past day and a half using an old Radeon R5 240 1GB 64-bit (Radeon 8570 rebrand), which is of somewhat a similar age and capability as the GT 730 and it's tolerable (OK, vs. having nothing) if you choose the right games and settings. Biggest surprise: Tomb Raider (2013) looks and plays pretty good at 720 Med settings and 45-60 FPS. Defo much better than I was expecting.

Edit: forgot, OC to 1025 MHz Cores, 1450 MHz GDDR3. 24% and 45% OCs, ahhh the good ol' days.

 

[arrowflash]

I wanted to thank you for this. I appreciate your input, and the time it more than likely took you to give it....

A small point, I have bought and used Wavlink products before. A Wi-fi card I have of theirs is a beast, hasn't missed a beat yet.

I had thought that all the GT-730s were all NOS. But the 4 GB GDDR5 variant might actually be a new offering (?) I don't seem to recall 4 GB cards, just 1 & 2 GB models. But my short time memory has taken a hit, who knows, maybe the long term isn't firm either.

My 730 is MSI, but I don't necessarily consider that a top tier brand. Instead of the Amazon Marketplace seller blowing out the initial re-offering @$50.00, I wish it had gone to $70.00 first. I simply wouldn't have bought it

My 710 is EVGA, and IIRC it gives digital and S-VGA output in the same machine.(Not particularly well, but it does do it),

Np!

I can't say anything about Wavlink, had never even heard of this brand before. It doesn't seem to be a very popular brand here. I did a quick check online and there are only a few local retailers offering a very limited selection of Wavlink products like routers, USB docking stations and USB hubs (and they cost an arm and a leg). Considering the prices they're asking for, they HAVE to be pretty good... here, about 2x to 4x more expensive than similar Orico products, and up to 5x more expensive than generic budget brands...

I also wouldn't call MSI a top brand, despite them having lots of fanboys who swear by it (even on TS community). Seen a few lemons and had a few products that didn't last very long from them. EVGA is better IMO.

 

[captaincranky]

I'd rather use integrated graphics. Even Intel.

Intel IGP drivers even come packaged in Linux distros. Install Ubuntu in an Intel system, and bingo, there it is, 1080p. You don't have to d*ck around hunting down Nvidia phantom drivers.

 

[captaincranky]

I can't say anything about Wavlink, had never even heard of this brand before. It doesn't seem to be a very popular brand here. I did a quick check online and there are only a few local retailers offering a very limited selection of Wavlink products like routers, USB docking stations and USB hubs (and they cost an arm and a leg). Considering the prices they're asking for, they HAVE to be pretty good..

Well, Newegg sells Wavlink SSD external enclosures for about 11 bucks. The same thing with one of their marketplace sellers is listed at $57.00. That may be the issue in your neck of the woods.

Here, this one's from China: https://www.newegg.com/p/1B0-00Z0-00HW8?Description=Wavlink SSD enclosures&cm_re=Wavlink_SSD enclosures-_-9SIAU1PDEE3574-_-Product

And this one's from Wavlink, shipped from Newegg: https://www.newegg.com/wavlink-st239-enclosure/p/0VN-0069-00027?Description=Wavlink SSD enclosures&cm_re=Wavlink_SSD enclosures-_-9SIA6PFAS69814-_-Product

The Wavlink part listed from Wavlink is only 2 TB capacity.
Here'a a 4 TB part listed for $16.00

2.5" Hard Drive Enclosure, USB C 3.1 Gen 2 to SATA III 6Gbps for Wavlink SSD HDD 9.5/7mm External Hard Drive Disk Case, with UASP 6Gbps, Up to 4TB, Tool Free for WD Seagate Toshiba Samsung Hitachi - Newegg.com

Buy 2.5" Hard Drive Enclosure, USB C 3.1 Gen 2 to SATA III 6Gbps for Wavlink SSD HDD 9.5/7mm External Hard Drive Disk Case, with UASP 6Gbps, Up to 4TB, Tool Free for WD Seagate Toshiba Samsung Hitachi with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

 

[arrowflash]

Well, Newegg sells Wavlink SSD external enclosures for about 11 bucks. The same thing with their marketplace sellers is listed at $57.00. That may be the issue in your neck of the woods.

Here, this one's from China: https://www.newegg.com/p/1B0-00Z0-00HW8?Description=Wavlink SSD enclosures&cm_re=Wavlink_SSD enclosures-_-9SIAU1PDEE3574-_-Product

And this one's from Wavlink, shipped from Newegg: https://www.newegg.com/wavlink-st239-enclosure/p/0VN-0069-00027?Description=Wavlink SSD enclosures&cm_re=Wavlink_SSD enclosures-_-9SIA6PFAS69814-_-Product

Probably. There's no Newegg here, sadly. I didn't find any USB enclosures but $57,00 (plus import tariffs) is pretty close to what I've seen for their USB -> SATA docking station.

 

[captaincranky]

Here's a single port docking station, 16 bucks:

Wavlink USB 3.0 to SATA External Hard Enclosure HDD/SSD Docking Station For 2.5 and 3.5 inch HDD/SSD SATA I/II/III [ 10TB ], Support Tool Free/One Touch Backup/UASP(6Gbps)/Auto Sleep, LED indicator - Newegg.com

Buy Wavlink USB 3.0 to SATA External Hard Enclosure HDD/SSD Docking Station For 2.5 and 3.5 inch HDD/SSD SATA I/II/III [ 10TB ], Support Tool Free/One Touch Backup/UASP(6Gbps)/Auto Sleep, LED indicator with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

It probably seems like I'm trying to rub it in, but I'm not.
Here in the colonies we're really, really, spoiled, with respect to price.

Editorial content. all things considered, (and generally speaking), Amazon is as good a place as Newegg for most computer parts. Amazon's shopper bots are constantly adjusting price to equal, or lower than, prevailing conditions.

Newegg has this "Shell Shocker", daily deal thing. I don't think a human is putting up the items, I believe it's their computer doing it.

It's at once laughable and irritating as hell, when the computer decides to put up a video card, which was more than likely, never in stock to begin with.

 

[arrowflash]

Here's a single port docking station, 16 bucks:

Wavlink USB 3.0 to SATA External Hard Enclosure HDD/SSD Docking Station For 2.5 and 3.5 inch HDD/SSD SATA I/II/III [ 10TB ], Support Tool Free/One Touch Backup/UASP(6Gbps)/Auto Sleep, LED indicator - Newegg.com

Buy Wavlink USB 3.0 to SATA External Hard Enclosure HDD/SSD Docking Station For 2.5 and 3.5 inch HDD/SSD SATA I/II/III [ 10TB ], Support Tool Free/One Touch Backup/UASP(6Gbps)/Auto Sleep, LED indicator with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

It probably seems like I'm trying to rub it in, but I'm not.
Here in the colonies we're really, really, spoiled, with respect to price.

Haha yeah, you guys really are spoiled.

The model I saw for sale here is actually a different, more sophisticated and expensive version. This one:

Wavlink USB 3.0 to SATA External Hard Drive Docking Station - Newegg.com

Buy Wavlink USB 3.0 to SATA External Hard Drive Docking Station with Card Reader and 2 Port USB 3.0 Hub and TF & SD Card For 2.5/3.5 inch HDD/SSD SATA I/II/III, One Touch Support Backup/UASP, Up to 10TB with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

It goes for around $65 here, tariffs and tax included.

Know what's weird? The following Orico docking station, can be purchased for almost the same price it's selling on Newegg. About $28,00 here. That's why I concluded that Wavlink products were way more expensive, but seems like that's only in my neck of the woods.

ORICO 6619S3-US SuperSpeed USB3.0 to SATAIII(SATA I/II/III) Hard Drive Docking Station for 2.5/3.5 Inch HDD and SSD - Black - Newegg.com

Buy ORICO 6619S3-US SuperSpeed USB3.0 to SATAIII(SATA I/II/III) Hard Drive Docking Station for 2.5/3.5 Inch HDD and SSD - Black with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

 

[Danny101]

Well in the long run, the shortage might be a good thing. Rather than just developing better graphical games, developers can focus on improving content. As of late, it seems they are just rehashing the same ole missions and story lines

 

[Markoni35]

Well in the long run, the shortage might be a good thing. Rather than just developing better graphical games, developers can focus on improving content. As of late, it seems they are just rehashing the same ole missions and story lines

Also, they can concentrate on better programming practices, creating more optimized games that run on older hardware. Best apps are made when hardware is slow, but programmer's brain is fast.

 

[bviktor]

I hate NV for not releasing any low-end fanless GPU since the now 4 years old GT 1030