MSI ran its OLED monitor continuously for over 533 days and found the burn-in was "basically none"

[ChipBoundary]

There is a huge gulf between "basically none" and none. Until there is zero possibility, even after a decade or more, OLED is never viable. Ever.

 

[ChipBoundary]

Look, I dunno what to tell ya, I personally don't have an OLED monitor yet, but I do have a few years old OLED TV, all my recent phones have been OLED, same with my smart watches, I'm personally yet to see an OLED fail. I do have a few friends who jumped on the OLED monitor bandwagon, two of them are programmers, another uses excel a lot, all three use their monitor during the day for work and for gaming in the evening, none of them have complained about burn-in, and their monitors are years old and first / second gen panels.

I just don't think it's anywhere near as big-a-problem as some make it out to be, especially if you're just a normal human being, and not a business displaying some statistics on the screen 24/7.

Everyone happily jumped on the LCD hype train when it had burn-in issues, and LCD didn't even look better than CRT. OLED is a massive upgrade over LCD, LG's been making OLED panels for a long time now.
it's mad to me that some people's extreme tests to force some burn-in to happen, is the defining factor on whether to buy it or not.

Are you staring at a completely still image for 3000 hours straight? No? Then burn-in probably isn't going to be a problem.

LCD burn-in issues were extremely rare and usually only occurred when they were used to show relatively static images like at kiosks. Additionally, LCD looked A LOT better than CRT, so not sure what you're smoking. Burn-in is GUARANTEED with OLED. It will happen, every time, eventually. I game and have static things up on my second monitor ALL THE TIME. I'd burn-in those monitors so fast it isn't even funny.

I work with a recycler that hands thousands of monitors a day and every single OLED has burn-in. Without exception. None of the LED/LCD do and can often be resold. Until the risk is zero, OLED is a no-go for me. Especially at those price points. Also, the reason you don't get burn-in on a phone is because it is AMOLED, not OLED. It is specifically designed for phones and it spends 90% of its time off. My monitors are never off. Ever.

 

[Starfals]

Wow! 1 year and some days too! Woohoo.
/Checks my IPS monitor that works 24/7 (DAILY YES) for the last 10 years with a ton of UI/icons and whatever...
Yep, I got 0 burn in too Lemme check my TN from 2004... yep, still 0 brightness issues, colors are close to the IPS (they are next to each other) and I dont see any burn in or artefacts/dead pixels.

Call me when OLED can do at least 5 cus even 3 won't cut it for the current prices. Buying old OLED means more burn in, less brightness less speed, less color accuracy.. less everything. Newer=better. Duh. I can buy old IPS and be happy, I cant buy old OLED. NOPE. They even fix many issues with VR flicker, brightness on 100% dimming, G sync issues, strobing, OLED longevity, horrible text cus of no RGB usage.. and others. There is NO way to buy a 1 or 2 gen OLED and enjoy it. Almost the same for 3 Gen too. 4 Gen will be DP2.1 too, most 3 Gen come with the old DP1.4. All in all, I can give u too many reasons why I wouldn't buy an OLED. Run that test for 2000 days and call me, then I might buy whatever ur selling (if its under 700 euro ofc, I aint spending more cus OLED TVS are 800 and usually WAY bigger!)

P.s. I probably hit some lottery cus every display I own has really good contract and low IPS bloom effect. Even my phone has a ton of it, but my monitors and TVS? Nope. Blacks look pretty good, ofc not OLED but yeah. Its not like the horror stories that you see on Amazon. White clouds all over lol.

 

[loki1944]

Not even 2 years

 

[ddferrari]

While I get that the article is trying to dispel concerns of burn in, the possibility is still there, just less likely to happen. And for me, that’s one of the major hurdles to adopt an OLED monitor. It’s not cheap when compared to a good IPS display and it doesn’t help when you are aware that it’s always more susceptible to burn in. So even for laptops, I try to avoid buying one with OLED. I am missing out on the deep blacks and vibrant colours, but it’s a trade off I am willing to accept. I have an OLED TV and I think it’s good enough for me.

So you're willing to miss out on infinite contrast, amazing colors and nearly zero-lag, despite proof from multiple sources that OLED burn in is no longer a common issue?

My OLED monitor was the single most impactful upgrade I've ever made, and new tech has all but eliminated any significant burn-in issues. It's 3.5 years old, and after constant daily use has zero burn-in!

 

[pgcharlie]

When are they going to address the availability problem?

 

[bviktor]

Not even 2 years

Most people don't run their monitors 24/7 with static content. That's the point.

 

[Burty117]

LCD burn-in issues were extremely rare and usually only occurred when they were used to show relatively static images like at kiosks.

Exactly my point, if you use OLED in the same fashion, yes, you will get burn-in, home use (and even office use) it isn't on 24/7 just showing some mostly static images, So it will be fine. Again, two friends with first gen panel's that are programmers and another friend with a second gen panel that mostly uses excel, they are years old at this point and not even a hint of burn-in.

Additionally, LCD looked A LOT better than CRT, so not sure what you're smoking.

Me smoking?! What on earth are you talking about? LCD looked terrible for years, even Google's AI simply says "Early LCD panel's were generally considered much worse image quality than CRT's at the time". They had insane input lag and the smearing blurry mess of an image in motion, pixel counts so low the screendoor effect was in full swing, they were truly awful early on.

Burn-in is GUARANTEED with OLED. It will happen, every time, eventually. I game and have static things up on my second monitor ALL THE TIME. I'd burn-in those monitors so fast it isn't even funny.

This is the thing right here, and it's one of the reasons I didn't jump in straight away either, however, I've got a few too many friends who did jump in and none of them have had issues. My OLED TV has absolutely zero signs of burn-in and I use that thing all the time, it's Samsung's first gen QD-OLED from 2022 and has shown no signs of burn-in, If it takes 10+ years for burn-in to occur, that means it lasts about as long as an LCD would for me anyway.

I work with a recycler that hands thousands of monitors a day and every single OLED has burn-in. Without exception.

Well... Yeah? Why would you throw away a perfectly good OLED? Because you're insane maybe? But other than that, I cannot think why you'd throw away a perfectly working OLED.

None of the LED/LCD do and can often be resold.

Isn't that an indictment of LCD screens though? So rubbish, people just throw away perfectly good working condition ones? Or maybe they're replacing them with OLED's?

Until the risk is zero, OLED is a no-go for me. Especially at those price points.

Yet people were fine with the same issues on LCD when it came out, again, even today LCD's aren't some bulletproof piece of tech:

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/longevity-burn-in-test-updates-and-results

Also, the reason you don't get burn-in on a phone is because it is AMOLED, not OLED. It is specifically designed for phones and it spends 90% of its time off. My monitors are never off. Ever.

AMOLED is still OLED, it still has the same burn-in risk you claim all OLED's have and will "100% definitely get burn-in". Since monitors seem to get burn-in, close to near instantly if this comment section is to be believed, I guess my phone might get burn-in over what, 2-3 years of it's life?

 

[RaXelliX]

Nah, there are 0 4K 32 inch OLED screens for under 1000 euro here. 0. Every single store sells them for AT LEAST 1k. Even old models. Do you people live in fantasy land or idk, some amazing country? Everywhere near my country (plus mine) they cost a ton. Way cheaper to get 48 inch OLED C5. 800-1000 euro. C4 is like 600 too. Monitors? Hell no, they try to rob you.

I dont know what country you're in or what site you're looking at but here. 34 models matching the specs costing below 1000€: https://geizhals.eu/?cat=monlcd19wi...x=1000&v=e&hloc=eu&plz&dist&sort=p&bl1_id=100

 

[loki1944]

Most people don't run their monitors 24/7 with static content. That's the point.

Not even 2 years

 

[Burty117]

Not even 2 years

Modern LCD screens experience burn-in if left with a static image on for two years.
What's your point?

 

[ddferrari]

There is a huge gulf between "basically none" and none. Until there is zero possibility, even after a decade or more, OLED is never viable. Ever.

Yes... and until there is zero possibility that I could be the victim of a crime or a terrible accident (man-made or natural) I will continue to hide in my bunker. Ignorance is bliss, apparently.

 

[CaedenV]

So... An AI is snapping a Pic of you 5x per sec? Surely that couldn't possibly be abused and cause issues down the line... Thanks, but no thanks lol.
How about when the display is soft-off, or pc signal cuts out then it runs the cleanup cycle?
AI, even simple AI, is such a useful and powerful tool. There have to be better ways to put it to better uses than little brother watching your every move. What happens if the Ai chip breaks or the sensor has an issue? Is this yet another failure point on a "premium" item to limit its lifespan and force customer complaints 3 years down the line when it keeps turning the display off because it can't see you?

 

[CaedenV]

Most people don't run their monitors 24/7 with static content. That's the point.

But a bunch of us do. The thing is that mini led should be price equivalent in less than a year (TV market already is when on sale), and micro led should start becoming affordable in just a few more years to put both oled and mini led to shame. Oled is still the technically superior technology for absolute quality, especially for big screens on high end panels in rooms with good light control. But mini led's only real down side are slight halo light bleed effects in extreme situations. Similar contrast and response times, but better hdr capabilities, less issues in bright rooms, less fade in brightness and color gamut over time (the real fight to burn in is to artfully damage the whole display evenly), and no chance of burn in. For PC use in specific it's just the right tool for the job. If your display is dead today... Sure oled is probably the way to go and I agree the gamble on burn in is over-stated (especially with woled for a slight clarity penalty on black text with white backgroumds). But if you have a working display... it seems like a crazy time to willingly switch to oled.

 

[Burty117]

But a bunch of us do.

Why? As someone who spends way too much time on their PC for work and play, I cannot think of a single reason why I would leave my screen on a static image when I'm asleep.

micro led should start becoming affordable in just a few more years to put both oled and mini led to shame.

Nope, manufacturers have already said the price of MicroLED isn't going to come down very quickly or in the near future, it's very hard to make. QDEL is probably the next big screen technology. OLED quality without burn-in risk, much easier to mass produce.

mini led's only real down side are slight halo light bleed effects in extreme situations. Similar contrast and response times.

Similar response times? What on earth are you on about? OLED's are SSD's compared to LCD's HDD speeds when it comes to response times.

better hdr capabilities

That's just categorically false, you cannot beat individual pixel control, MiniLED can get the whole screen brighter, sure, but peak brightness is pretty damn high on OLED's now.

less fade in brightness and color gamut over time (the real fight to burn in is to artfully damage the whole display evenly), and no chance of burn in.

Again, as I linked above, that's just not true, rtings do the work on this, MiniLED backlights fail, LCD screens do burn in still, again, static images don't damage LCD's as quickly, but it can still damage them.

If your display is dead today... Sure oled is probably the way to go and I agree the gamble on burn in is over-stated (especially with woled for a slight clarity penalty on black text with white backgroumds). But if you have a working display... it seems like a crazy time to willingly switch to oled.

My monitor is the Asus ROG PG279, one of the first monitors with a G-Sync module (Think it's 12 years old now), it doesn't accept HDR, it has a single backlight, You're saying I'm crazy for wanting to move to OLED?