New electric car battery could last 600,000 miles and recharge in minutes

[Revolution 11]

Let me know when this battery tech comes into actual production.

Knowing CATL, probably pretty soon actually. Definitely mass production within 3 years.

 

[ChrisH1]

There are plenty of new options coming down the track, some supposed for delivery 2026, that show promise of millions of miles of life. What would be ideal would be if they were solid state avoiding the fire risks.

 

[VariableSpike]

Slightly different from the usual battery miracle news in that its an actual known manufacturer and in theory its not some miracle tech only getting results in a lab, but you do have to question how accurate those results are ofc, 410km on average at -20C is a really good figure as is the lifespan metric, but it of course depends as to how that will fare in real life, wonder how quick CATL will be able to roll this out and if it matches expectations

 

[Theinsanegamer]

Any other lies you want to tell?

Hush now, the adults are talking.

"The disposal of the batteries is also a climate threat. If the battery ends up in a landfill, its cells can release toxins, including heavy metals that can leak into the soil and groundwater. A study from Australia found that 98.3 percent of lithium-ion batteries end up in landfills, which increases the likelihood of landfill fires that can burn for years. One landfill in the Pacific Northwest was reported to have had 124 fires between June 2017 and December 2020 due to lithium-ion batteries. Fires are becoming increasingly more common, with 21 fires reported on the site in 2018, increasing to 47 by 2020."

https://www.americanenergyalliance.org/2023/05/ev-batteries-an-environmental-time-bomb/

I suspect that the article refers to LMFP, and a more advanced pack to improve volumetric energy density.

"Shenxing Pro incorporates CATL's innovative Wave cells, which feature a raised shoulder design and space-sharing technology. This is the world's first battery that allows cooling systems and fixation to be applied from any direction, as opposed to only having limited choice before. It achieves omnidirectional vibration suppression, boosting battery pack stiffness by 25% and doubling durability. Shenxing Pro breaks traditional Cell-to-Body (CTB) limitations through its cell design, achieving a remarkable 76% pack volume efficiency. By combining these advancements, Shenxing Pro redefines electric mobility in Europe, delivering unprecedented safety, extended range, exceptional lifespan and superfast-charging performance."

CATL Launches Shenxing Pro, Europe’s Optimal Solution for E-Mobility at IAA Mobility 2025

At CATL Open Day, the company unveiled Shenxing Pro, the world's first lithium iron phosphate (LFP) battery that can achieve sustained high voltage supply, maintained power, no fire, and no smoke after thermal runaway. Designed to meet Europe's e-mobility needs, Shenxing Pro sets new benchmarks...

www.catl.com

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LMFP_battery

Interesting. Has there ever been a commercial product with a LMFP battery before? Or is this a forever "preparing for release" tech?

 

[Jim Shoes]

And how much of the Earth has to be dug out in HUGE holes in the ground, to pull the minerals to create these batteries?
I hear everyone talking about battery this and battery that, but the environmentalist always overlooks the impact to the environment, wildlife etc.

https://I.ytimg.com/vi/aODw_5jyDmc/maxresdefault.jpg

So you'd rather "drill, baby drill"? Are you equally concerned about the damage done in extracting fossil fuels (fracking, off-shore drilling...), never mind the results of burning them?

 

[Revolution 11]

There are plenty of new options coming down the track, some supposed for delivery 2026, that show promise of millions of miles of life. What would be ideal would be if they were solid state avoiding the fire risks.

LFP batteries already have a very low risk of fire. You give up energy density for that thermal runaway protection that the NMC batteries don't have (these are the batteries that go up in infernos for hours and hours).

 

[sreams]

"12 years / 1,000,000km"

Nobody sees the problem here? Nobody is driving that far in a mere 12 years. Who cares about all that extra distance when time is what will kill the battery.

 

[gamerk2]

Where do you think the electricity to charge this battery will come from? If they're sold in Europe... OIL... If in China, COAL and OIL.... and we get to add the Lithium mines as well

And even then, they are less bad for the environment, making your point moot. And BTW, China produces more eco-friendly power then literally everyone else combined.

 

[Squid Surprise]

And even then, they are less bad for the environment, making your point moot. And BTW, China produces more eco-friendly power then literally everyone else combined.

Um… only by volume… they also produce the most non-eco-friendly power in the world…
Electric cars SHOULD be better for the environment… but often aren’t… hopefully we switch all coal/oil to nuclear/solar/wind and that will make a huge difference - but we aren’t there yet.

 

[wiyosaya]

Just wait till they find out that their wonderfully green, no-environmentally-damaging EV is charged by... oil, gas and coal and that those batteries are dumped in landfills, causing them to leak, with their extremely toxic metals end up in drinking water. Their heads will explode from cognitive dissonance.

This argument is as old as the modern EV industry. If you did your research, you'd find that even charging EVs from the most polluting fossil-fuel power plants results in on par, or fewer emissions than driving fossil fuel powered vehicles.

Try starting here - https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/are-electric-vehicles-definitely-better-climate-gas-powered-cars
From this reference:

But just like with gasoline cars, most emissions from today’s EVs come after they roll off the production floor.3 The major source of EV emissions is the energy used to charge their batteries. These emissions, says Paltsev, vary enormously based on where the car is driven and what kind of energy is used there. The best case scenario looks like what’s happening today in Norway, Europe’s largest EV market: the nation draws most of its energy from hydropower, giving all those EVs a minuscule carbon footprint. In countries that get most of their energy from burning dirty coal, the emissions numbers for EVs don’t look nearly as good—but they’re still on par with or better than burning gasoline.

Keep bringing this fallacy up. Those who understand the issue will keep debunking it.

 

[wiyosaya]

Um… only by volume… they also produce the most non-eco-friendly power in the world…
Electric cars SHOULD be better for the environment… but often aren’t… hopefully we switch all coal/oil to nuclear/solar/wind and that will make a huge difference - but we aren’t there yet.

But, but, but, but, but. Sorry, but Straw-men don't work.

 

[wiyosaya]

Where do you think the electricity to charge this battery will come from? If they're sold in Europe... OIL... If in China, COAL and OIL.... and we get to add the Lithium mines as well

See - https://www.techspot.com/community/...s-and-recharge-in-minutes.294674/post-2161999

 

[wiyosaya]

I am impressed more about longer lifespan, 12 years, than the milage.
Look, a lot of people, I do not know the percentage but I think it is big, do not drive a lot.
But especially in post covid, people keep their cars for a lot longer.

Can you imagine having say 50% of the cars being EVs and most of them dying at 10-14 year range. It would mean that they are simply not fit as budget options in addition to being a terrible choice as used cars.

They need to have longer lasting batteries. Let it be at the expense of the milage if it is not too unreasonable.

The prospect of not being able to use EVs as some of the gas cars means a lot more waste, and more expensive cars in general. We do not need that.

I would like to see big battery tech outside China though. They are very predictable with the tech that they can replicate and expand: they want to crush rivals and CCP can make it happen. Just like it was foolish to let them control rare earth mineral market, something as big as batteries for EVs should not be in their hands.

In some areas, rust will kill EVs before the battery dies - even now without this "longevity." IMO, battery longevity is a non-issue.

With Hybrid Toyota Prius vehicles, it is not uncommon for the NiMH batteries to last for 200K or more miles. I went almost 18-years with my Hybrid, NiMH battery Prius, and it was rust that was the main driver, with maintenance costs second, for me to buy another vehicle. I had about118K miles on the vehicle with no signs of battery degradation.

I bought a 24' Prius Prime which is a PHEV. Once, I went almost 1,400 miles without getting any gas. When I did fill it, it took 5.5-gallons. The most expensive month for charging, so far, was $12.50. I don't know an exact figure, but I use about 50kWh/month. I've only got a 9.9-mile round-trip drive to/from work. Right now, I've got over 900-miles without stopping at a gas station.

 

[Squid Surprise]

See - https://www.techspot.com/community/...s-and-recharge-in-minutes.294674/post-2161999

I’m not saying they are worse than using gasoline… they’re just not the godsend everyone seems to say they are… we need to switch all oil/coal to clean energy…

 

[mbk34]

Where do you think the electricity to charge this battery will come from? If they're sold in Europe... OIL... If in China, COAL and OIL.... and we get to add the Lithium mines as well

Most first world countries are moving away from oil to renewables. Here in Europe, Norway, Sweden, Finland and Iceland already generate nearly all their electricity this way. Most countries are already at the 50% mark and all have targets for 2030. The UK is aiming for 100% by 2030, Germany 80% etc etc. It's not just Europe. India is apparently already generating 50% of it's electricity through renewables and China is aiming at 80% by 2060.

 

[Darth Shiv]

Ho Hum yet another battery article on something that will probably not make it to market in 10 years by which time there will be something newer that will also not make it to market in 10 years

wdym this isn't a pure lab advance this is a consumer deliverable. BYD has tech same ballpark consumer deliverable.

The 10 min super fast charge OR longer life is a reality with battery tech but having said that the rated lives of these batteries have actually been big underestimates and in practice they do a significant amount better.

 

[Darth Shiv]

Just wait till they find out that their wonderfully green, no-environmentally-damaging EV is charged by... oil, gas and coal and that those batteries are dumped in landfills, causing them to leak, with their extremely toxic metals end up in drinking water. Their heads will explode from cognitive dissonance.

Don't charge them with oil and gas. And responsibly deal with them at EOL which btw EOL from the car just means recycle them to non-car purposes for a few more decades.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Most first world countries are moving away from oil to renewables. Here in Europe, Norway, Sweden, Finland and Iceland already generate nearly all their electricity this way. Most countries are already at the 50% mark and all have targets for 2030. The UK is aiming for 100% by 2030, Germany 80% etc etc. It's not just Europe. India is apparently already generating 50% of it's electricity through renewables and China is aiming at 80% by 2060.

They SAY that…. But they’re not really moving very fast…. And Norway is an interesting case. They can afford to move to electric solely because of their trillion dollar OIL reserve - which they export to Europe and Russia!

 

[mbk34]

They SAY that…. But they’re not really moving very fast…. And Norway is an interesting case. They can afford to move to electric solely because of their trillion dollar OIL reserve - which they export to Europe and Russia!

Actually, I think the US is the interesting case. It projects itself as world leading country but it's electrical infrastructure is decades out of date. Rather than using this opportunity to step forward and modernise, it's has the oil and coal lobbies telling the public that gas is king and that coal is beautiful.

PS I couldn't find any evidence that Norway exports oil to Russia or, for that matter, any reason why Russia would want to buy oil from them. Do you have any proof of this?

 

[Squid Surprise]

Actually, I think the US is the interesting case. It projects itself as world leading country but it's electrical infrastructure is decades out of date. Rather than using this opportunity to step forward and modernise, it's has the oil and coal lobbies telling the public that gas is king and that coal is beautiful.

PS I couldn't find any evidence that Norway exports oil to Russia or, for that matter, any reason why Russia would want to buy oil from them. Do you have any proof of this?

Well, since the invasion of the Ukraine, they stopped supplying Russia - as most nations have sanctioned Russia… but before 2022ish, they did.

 

[NotYourITguy]

Looking up the actual test used for the 758km range claim, this isn't impressive at all and is exactly on par with most other EV manufacturers. EPA range estimates are typically 10-22% lower than WLTP for EVs.

Doing some approximated math, you get 758*0.85 = 644km == 400 miles. Lucid and Tesla both have models with >400 miles of EPA range already that are a few years old. If you assume it's really the worst case of 22% lower, then you're at 367 miles which is 10 miles more than a Model 3 LR but ignores temperature differences for road tests that can cause more than 10 miles of range difference. So they're likely to each outperform one another in very specific conditions.

Reality here is this is a really boring PR release with no meaningful advancement in EV technology. We already have cars driving on the road that are achieving equal or better performance in real world conditions today for range. While faster charging would be great too, there isn't sufficient infrastructure in place to make fast charging widely available outside very select locations.

 

[toooooot]

I find humor in seeing these type of articles on this site for 17 years. Maybe this one will be different

When people picked oil for its main fuel for the next 100 years, the entire world concentrated on making it what it is today.
The world cannot focus on one battery technology and rush it to completion. There are probably dozens of promising ideas for better batteries, and a lot more people working on even smaller ways to create something big. We could make it faster but we do not.

 

[Liranan]

This argument is as old as the modern EV industry. If you did your research, you'd find that even charging EVs from the most polluting fossil-fuel power plants results in on par, or fewer emissions than driving fossil fuel powered vehicles.

Try starting here - https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/are-electric-vehicles-definitely-better-climate-gas-powered-cars
From this reference:


Keep bringing this fallacy up. Those who understand the issue will keep debunking it.

Nonsensical article that only focuses on CO2 and ignores the destruction that mining causes.

CO2 is not a greenhouse gas. There have been ice ages during which the CO2 was higher than it is now and the CO2 content has dropped over the last century, if it gets any lower the world will die as there won't be enough to feed plants.

 

[Y2JB47]

Nonsensical article that only focuses on CO2 and ignores the destruction that mining causes.

CO2 is not a greenhouse gas. There have been ice ages during which the CO2 was higher than it is now and the CO2 content has dropped over the last century, if it gets any lower the world will die as there won't be enough to feed plants.

It takes a special kind of person to dismiss decades of scientific research in just two sentences.

 

[mbk34]

Nonsensical article that only focuses on CO2 and ignores the destruction that mining causes.

CO2 is not a greenhouse gas. There have been ice ages during which the CO2 was higher than it is now and the CO2 content has dropped over the last century, if it gets any lower the world will die as there won't be enough to feed plants.

CO2 is a green house gas !!

I'm afraid what you're writing just comes across as nonsense.