New US export rules prohibit Nvidia and AMD from selling high-end accelerators to China...

dangh

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You do realize that the Cold War started because the UN hasn't ever recognized Taiwan as a country and tried to give Taiwan to China in the 50s. Do some research, the UN is the bad guy. They won't ever do what you are saying.
I do realise (but cold war had actually different underlying reason).
I'm saying the 'todays' UN, or at least US and EU and their allies should ensure Taiwan is established as separate, independent country. Otherwise it is just political play.
Just playing a good guy and declaring Taiwan will be defended without actually giving them solid support to define their independence and visibility on international arena is an half assed effort made to keep status quo, not to help Taiwanese people to be safe in future as well. And adding some export limitations to China will not help other nations, not even US in a long run. Decisive actions on the still democratic nations around China is something that would establish the balance, but that is not happening, unfortunately.
 

PEnnn

Posts: 956   +1,252
You do realize that the Cold War started because the UN hasn't ever recognized Taiwan as a country and tried to give Taiwan to China in the 50s. Do some research, the UN is the bad guy. They won't ever do what you are saying.

"the UN is the bad guy. " you say??

Where is this country called "The UN" located, by the way?? Do you have an idea?? Maybe we should invade it / carpet bomb it into the stone age, like Iraq!! And maybe even occupy it to teach them a lesson!!

Oh wait, maybe there is something you don't know....the UN is actually an organization made up of ALL countries on the planet.....including the US, Russia, China, ALL European countries, etc.

Now you know who the "bad UN" is....I hope.

You're welcome!!

PS: Listening to righting loonies' talk-shows is detrimental to people's brains, their critical thinking, AND common, basic knowledge.
 

gamerk2

Posts: 758   +733
This is all a geopolitical game and Biden won't do anything. The CCP knows this but they are afraid of invading Taiwan and losing TSMC because China's economy will be ruined if TSMC is destroyed.
China has spent a LOT of time and energy on domestic chip production; they may also bet they can take the country without negatively affecting TSMC. Worst case, they aren't above pumping a few hundred Billion to rebuild it.
 

Jimster480

Posts: 152   +138
"the UN is the bad guy. " you say??

Where is this country called "The UN" located, by the way?? Do you have an idea?? Maybe we should invade it / carpet bomb it into the stone age, like Iraq!! And maybe even occupy it to teach them a lesson!!

Oh wait, maybe there is something you don't know....the UN is actually an organization made up of ALL countries on the planet.....including the US, Russia, China, ALL European countries, etc.

Now you know who the "bad UN" is....I hope.

You're welcome!!

PS: Listening to righting loonies' talk-shows is detrimental to people's brains, their critical thinking, AND common, basic knowledge.
I'm well aware what the UN is.
It isn't a country, but it is a board of useless Bureaucrats who make laws, treaties and rules that ruin all of humanity to give these un-elected scum more power. It is basically a global communist panel that mostly panders to the CCP (for decades already) and lets them make predatory loans to smaller nations in order to trap them in the "One China" policy. This is part of what the last president of the USA had the foresight to relinquish their building in NY and close it down for good since they haven't helped anyone in a very very long time.
China has spent a LOT of time and energy on domestic chip production; they may also bet they can take the country without negatively affecting TSMC. Worst case, they aren't above pumping a few hundred Billion to rebuild it.
They don't have the cash to rebuild it and if you understood how lithography works; it takes YEARS to build a fab and bring it online. If any of the TSMC fabs got shut down tomorrow for a war; it would be offline for the rest of the year at the very minimum.
China's domestic chip production hasn't even reached 14nm; they are mostly doing lower end chips. They do tons of mfg but those are LED's, controller chips, etc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants
Check the list; TSMC has the best fabs on the planet all in Taiwan only.
South Korea has a few good ones with Samsung; but we know those are inferior to TSMC. The 3rd company is GloFlo in the USA @ 12/14nm. Intel is in there too but they need not apply since they don't have standardized processes and don't mfg for anyone else.

Every top end product on the planet basically uses chips fabbed @ TSMC. Some B tier stuff (like Ampere) is fabbed by Samsung (but Nvidia wants 4000 series to be A tier so it went back to TSMC). Samsung just doesn't have the right power consumption and heat dissipation that TSMC has figured out. So yea TSMC is a big point of contention that could cripple the worlds chip supply overnight if it was destroyed or knocked offline.
 

PEnnn

Posts: 956   +1,252
I'm well aware what the UN is.
It isn't a country, but it is a board of useless Bureaucrats who make laws, treaties and rules that ruin all of humanity to give these un-elected scum more power. It is basically a global communist panel that mostly panders to the CCP (for decades already) and lets them make predatory loans to smaller nations in order to trap them in the "One China" policy. This is part of what the last president of the USA had the foresight to relinquish their building in NY and close it down for good since they haven't helped anyone in a very very long time.
The panel is made up of what?? Communist robots?? Those panels are loaded with Americans and Europeans who have VETO power!! Or are you saying those Americans and Europeans are also communist??
Make up your mind!!

As to the "the last president of the USA"....blabla, please, don't ruin the last vestige of your intelligence!!
The UN is still in the US, because it benefits the US to have the UN right there!!
 

Jimster480

Posts: 152   +138
The panel is made up of what?? Communist robots?? Those panels are loaded with Americans and Europeans who have VETO power!! Or are you saying those Americans and Europeans are also communist??
Make up your mind!!

As to the "the last president of the USA"....blabla, please, don't ruin the last vestige of your intelligence!!
The UN is still in the US, because it benefits the US to have the UN right there!!
The UN is not in the USA. The UN is filled with UN-Elected communist puppets. It has been for decades. Do some research before speaking.
If more people did research on things and kept up with the times and not just what the newest tech is, the newest concert and the newest netflix series; we all wouldn't be having this discussion nor these problems. However people CBA to know anything about anything other than their own personal time-wasting hobbies.
 

PEnnn

Posts: 956   +1,252
The UN is not in the USA. The UN is filled with UN-Elected communist puppets. It has been for decades. Do some research before speaking.
If more people did research on things and kept up with the times and not just what the newest tech is, the newest concert and the newest netflix series; we all wouldn't be having this discussion nor these problems. However people CBA to know anything about anything other than their own personal time-wasting hobbies.

The UN is not in the US?? Where is it EXACTLY located?? Please enlighten us!! And you think there are no top Americans officials working for the UN?? Really??

Where did your orange president go to speak at the UN (and was laughed at by the whole world???) Go ahead tell us, what country he traveled to to speak at the UN??

Man, do yourself a favor and google a bit (it's free!)!! The UN GENERAL Assembly AND HQ are IN THE US, in New York to be exact. Not in some country you cannot even tell us about!!

And people think tech sites like TS have people with critical thinking posting in them....
 

Avro Arrow

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AMD is a Canadian company so how is it that the U.S. Govt thinks it can make policy for Canada and who it exports goods to beggars me beyond belief
Umm, no. AMD isn't a Canadian company, but ATi, the graphics company that AMD purchased is Canadian. ATi chose the red and white of the Canadian flag as their colours and that's why they're "Team Red".

When AMD bought ATi, it appears that ATi culturally took over AMD and turned them from green and black to red and white. So while "Team Red" gets its colour from the Canadian flag, it's not a Canadian company.

ATi Technologies (the Radeon side) is based in Markham, Ontario, Canada but AMD (the Ryzen side and parent company) is based in Santa Clara, California, USA.
 

Avro Arrow

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The UN is not in the USA.
That's funny, I always thought that New York City was in the USA. You know, where the UN building is:
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The UN is filled with UN-Elected communist puppets. It has been for decades. Do some research before speaking.
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If more people did research on things and kept up with the times and not just what the newest tech is, the newest concert and the newest netflix series; we all wouldn't be having this discussion nor these problems. However people CBA to know anything about anything other than their own personal time-wasting hobbies.
Says the guy who thinks that the UN is filled with Communist puppets when it's really filled with puppets of the American NeoLiberal Economic Empire.