Nvidia and AMD Seriously Want to Offload Current-Gen GPUs

BadThad

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Great article as always Tim! Keep 'em coming! I suspect it won't be long before the 5+ year old cards are down to the $50 range - where they SHOULD be.
 
It's all clickbait cause they know you're desperate to see actual movement.



AMD got some decent prices because nobody wants them compared to what they can get with Nvidia.



Pricing staying stagnant all those years proves that price increase should have been expected and so what if they are worth billions? Should they as a business just "hang it up" since you know they've already made "billions"?

OR are they a part of the capitalistic society we choose to partake in and only doing what any public company is supposed to do.... Make as much money as the supply and demand of our economy will allow?

Please get off your high horse don't like what they have to offer at the price they offer? Don't partake... Won't effect them in the long run and the system is already proved they easily could have asked for even more and gotten it.

Don't be surprised to see price increases moving forward until the market pushes back at the limit Nvidia is going to do what's in their best interest and the interest of their stock holders.

And one last thing about the "reasons" given about tensor cores and such you say so many were stating... Has it not been shown over amd over multiple times that the "RTX tax" actually offers objective value and the "savings" going AMD obviously doesn't seem worth it with how small a difference it provides vs what you end up missing put on.

The sales data backs that up as well as the current pricing and how Nvidia remains strong and holding much better than AMD where price reduction has been significantly higher.


There's a reason for this and numbers don't lie... No "feels" just facts.
https://www.techspot.com/news/95564-ceo-jensen-huang-talks-raises-instead-layoffs-after.html
 

Mr Majestyk

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I would not buy a current gen card at any more than 1/2 RRP and even then I'm not sure. I could have my arm twisted by a 3080 Ti for $400. But honestly, I think I will just wait a year and grab a 7800XT. Never ever be an early adopter.
 

RudyBob

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The companies are seeing what the traffic will allow. If it sells why bother selling for less. Don't think the plummet is over(it may be though) but it's in full swing as long as our money stays in our pockets
 

Eldritch

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The inclusion of equivalent Intel/Amd GPUs and their comparative prices was pretty cool. The GPU market is so used to making easy money that its hard for them to lower prices even in the face of next gen. Let them learn the hard way.
 

AlexSun

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6700XT is looking like a good deal but I did say the 3070ti is worth $600 to me. It might go lower but this is the craziest I've ever seen the GPU market.
lmao, MSRP is now a "crazy good deal", and it only hit MSRP 2 months before the launch of a new generation. I mean if you're gonna pay $600 for a 3070 ti then just pay $100 more for a 6900 XT. The 6900XT is better than the 3080 ti especially at 1080p
 
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AlexSun

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Nah, Linus showed that mining doesn't really degrade GPUs.

Sure, and I'd pounce on a Lamborghini for $100,000 but that's not going to happen anytime soon.

I did a big post a year or so ago showing how nVidia's tier pricing had remained pretty stable from the GTX 300-series up to the GTX 1000-series but then increased by 17% for the GTX 2000-series before becoming stable again.

The GTX 280 initially had an MSRP of $649 (back in 08, that was nutz) before the HD 4870 smacked it down 40% to $400. The GTX 300 to 1000-series were priced between $550 and $600 which was fine but the RTX 2080 was the first card to hit $700 after over a decade of price stability.

You'd have been shocked to see the number of people coming to nVidia's defence with a myriad of lame excuses of why the RTX card cost more (like Tensor Cores). I merely responded with "You're telling me that nVidia has been hurting from the pricing that they've been using over the last decade? You're telling me that nVidia is NOT worth several BILLION dollars that was gleaned from their large profit margins?"

People believe what they want to believe, not what is actually true.
Other than what you said about mining not hurting cards, I agree.
 

AlexSun

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It's all clickbait cause they know you're desperate to see actual movement.



AMD got some decent prices because nobody wants them compared to what they can get with Nvidia.



Pricing staying stagnant all those years proves that price increase should have been expected and so what if they are worth billions? Should they as a business just "hang it up" since you know they've already made "billions"?

OR are they a part of the capitalistic society we choose to partake in and only doing what any public company is supposed to do.... Make as much money as the supply and demand of our economy will allow?

Please get off your high horse don't like what they have to offer at the price they offer? Don't partake... Won't effect them in the long run and the system is already proved they easily could have asked for even more and gotten it.

Don't be surprised to see price increases moving forward until the market pushes back at the limit Nvidia is going to do what's in their best interest and the interest of their stock holders.

And one last thing about the "reasons" given about tensor cores and such you say so many were stating... Has it not been shown over amd over multiple times that the "RTX tax" actually offers objective value and the "savings" going AMD obviously doesn't seem worth it with how small a difference it provides vs what you end up missing put on.

The sales data backs that up as well as the current pricing and how Nvidia remains strong and holding much better than AMD where price reduction has been significantly higher.


There's a reason for this and numbers don't lie... No "feels" just facts.
lmao there is literally nothing you are missing out on by going with AMD. You just save money and get better performance. You're probably looking at UserBenchmark lmaooooo.
The reason why they have a bigger discount isn't about anything about lesser performance or no ray tracing. They are just less known. Many people know about the tiering of Nvidia cards, but don't know how AMD cards fit into that tiering, so they just decide to only think about Nvidia because they don't really want to do research which is relatable.
 

Ludak021

Posts: 753   +572
Well they are going to have a hard time offloading all that at those prices during the crypto winter. Let's just remember that 1060Ti had $250 price at launch and 3060Ti is $450 now (~$650 where I live)

Thanks, no thanks.
 

Avro Arrow

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Other than what you said about mining not hurting cards, I agree.
Sure, I don't mind. It's nothing I said, it's what Linus said. While I don't agree with everything Linus says, I can't deny what he tests because his methodology is usually pretty good. In any case, even if mining did reduce the card's life, I really doubt that it would be reduced enough to matter. Let's face it, the lifespan of a video card is WAY longer than its useful gaming life. Hell, my old GeForce 8500 GT 1GB still works as does my GeForce 8400 GS (PCI), HD 5450, HD 4870s, my HD 5870 and my HD 7970. I even have an ancient AGP Radeon X-something (might be an X1650) card that still works AFAIK.

I would have no issue buying a card that was formerly used for mining because miners are usually very careful with their cards because that's an investment for them. Mining cards are usually run undervolted which greatly reduces any wear and tear that they might have endured.
 

Avro Arrow

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lmao there is literally nothing you are missing out on by going with AMD. You just save money and get better performance. You're probably looking at UserBenchmark lmaooooo.
I call it "LoserBenchmark" because it's losers and noobs that pay attention to it.
The reason why they have a bigger discount isn't about anything about lesser performance or no ray tracing. They are just less known.
Yep. This is why I think that the stupidest move AMD ever did was dropping the ATi branding from Radeon cards. People knew ATi because ATi had been around since the early 80s but most people thought of AMD as a second-rate CPU maker. To this day, there are people who don't know that AMD cards are just rebranded ATi cards.
Many people know about the tiering of Nvidia cards, but don't know how AMD cards fit into that tiering, so they just decide to only think about Nvidia because they don't really want to do research which is relatable.
I agree. People who are intellectually lazy get fleeced and it's hard to feel sorry for them because all they need to know the Radeon equivalent of a GeForce card is to look at a couple of Steve's reviews. The GPU database at TechPowerUp is also really good for that.
 
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rmcrys

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I'll take a pass. AMD and Nvidia showed no respect to gamers (or private owners that use the cards on 3D/ video editing) showing that inflated prices by mining, dishonest pricing and so on was no issue for them (on the contrary). So as a consumer, I value my money and good practices much more than their cards. Perhaps next gen cards if honestly priced. Everything else will be a pass.

People knew ATi because ATi had been around since the early 80s but most people thought of AMD as a second-rate CPU maker. To this day, there are people who don't know that AMD cards are just rebranded ATi cards.

1) I agree with you, maintaining ATi would have been better

2) AMD cards are no re-branded ATi cards because ATi doesn't exist since 2010.

3) AMD is not a second rate CPU maker in different times and specially not since Ryzen / Threadripper. But it is not as classic and popular as intel. The
 
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Ojref

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I wonder if the used GPUs market would yield lower prices for the current GPUs generation, but that might be a risky endeavor, with the miners dumping their used cards... can't trust no one these days...
No such luck right now. Many eBay cards are above new card prices.
 

zulu53

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Intel seem to have taken on the "new" post covid business model (colloquially called shrinkflation) that many industries in the US have adopted.

When compared to 2019: the path forward is overprice and underperform (I.e. do a step change in the absolute price/performance ratio: so will be ever get back to the ratio of the best cards of 2019? According to Intel no: the GPU industry will be never meet the ratios of 2019 again. Better performance will always cost more than the performance improvement was worth in 2019. As all of the 2019 cards disappear from production this step change will, of course, not be visible since reviewers will only review against cards in production. Hopefully Techspot will not follow that trend and instead will keep all of the 2019 card in their inventory to do comparisons against (using the MRSP of the 2019, corrected for inflation) for price/performance.
 

zulu53

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Revenge is now ours.
make them pay by NOT buying their hardware.
Since clearly Nvidia and AMD plan to follow Intels shrinkflation model, you will only have this choice for a couple of years. Wait until you see all of the new card MRSP's.
 

zulu53

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I call it "LoserBenchmark" because it's losers and noobs that pay attention to it.

Yep. This is why I think that the stupidest move AMD ever did was dropping the ATi branding from Radeon cards. People knew ATi because ATi had been around since the early 80s but most people thought of AMD as a second-rate CPU maker. To this day, there are people who don't know that AMD cards are just rebranded ATi cards.

I agree. People who are intellectually lazy get fleeced and it's hard to feel sorry for them because all they need to know the Radeon equivalent of a GeForce card is to look at a couple of Steve's reviews. The GPU database at TechPowerUp is also really good for that.
Shrinkflation always gets the intellectually lazy in the sense they don't recognize it. But even if the intellectuals recognize it they can to little about it in anything but the short term. Lays chips are better tasting (performance) but are they better on a per chip cost basis or a per package basis? And what can a intellectual consumer do when all chip vendors adopt the same policy shrink their package contents? Sure its collusion and monopolistic practice (which are theoretically illegal). But Kellog (and the other flake manufacturers) never got prosecuted in the US for corn flake shrinkflation so why should Intel worry.
 
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Puiu

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Please do a UK version of this article and compare actual available prices to MSRP ... you will see that none of these cards are below MSRP. Even on Nvidias own website, they have the MSRP card out of stock @ GBP 649, and the cheapest available is GBP 799 (3080). So thats +20% over MSRP still. Hardly suggests they are trying to shift stock.
Please don't forget that the US prices don't include VAT.
 

TheRealSCDC

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I think this story should be removed. It's the end of August and I've actually seen prices rise a little. It was all publicity by AMD and nVidia to get people shopping and looking again.