Nvidia beta driver removes GeForce RTX 3060 crypto mining limiter

NeoMorpheus

Posts: 527   +1,007
That's a pretty dishonest counterargument.

People don't use their "gaming rigs" only for gaming, and when they're not gaming, the card basically draws idle power (except for activities like 3D rendering or computing with GPU cores). And most games won't put the GPU at maximum power all the time either, unlike PoW mining where the GPU will be at 100% usage 24/7.

And how is mining virtual tulips to speculate not self-gratification too?

sorry but the one being dishonest is you.

All you posted were excuses to continue making miners look bad and the poor, poor gamers innocent victims.

Look, people had the right to use these GPU's as they please.

And once again, blame the manufacturers/OEM for not making or ordering more GPU's, instead only one group.
 

rmcrys

Posts: 32   +26
Wasting energy? Lol, I keep hearing that "argument", but I've seen nothing to back it up.

Care to do so? Or are you repeating something convenient based on your view of crypto?

Well... what I don't understand is how bad informed are you. You've seen nothing to back it up because you don't want it to, 24/7/365 energy consumption of such ASIC/GPUs mining is absurd and just bare simple calculations demonstrate it. But...well, you don't care anyway.

I like how no one is talking about e-waste and how much more that is increased with miners buying by the pallet, instead of 1-2 GPUs, like regular gamers do.

And even worse, those dedicated mining cards that cannot be resold on the used market - that's guaranteed e-waste, if nothing else.

Unfortunately few care about it, it's all about money (real or virtual).

E-waste, extra pollution for supporting mining, etc is not a theme that interests most people.
 
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arrowflash

Posts: 378   +392
the problem with this aproch is let say you are a gamer and you get into a website with a miner on it.
RIP GPU. there is no way they could add this to a card

plus they will get a law suit in 0.1ms, I get that poeple don't get cards because of miners, but if manifacturers stated telling you what you can do with your hardware... .

its like buying a S20 and samsung tells you you can't watch specificly x or y youtuber.

PS: the arcade example you give is not the same , with GPUs no one is changing chips or code on the card.

All good points. It's mostly wishful thinking, I'm aware that it wouldn't be feasible in reality for several reasons. I know there are miners and crypto enthusiasts here but I never thought that post would trigger people so much. :laughing:

sorry but the one being dishonest is you.

All you posted were excuses to continue making miners look bad and the poor, poor gamers innocent victims.

Look, people had the right to use these GPU's as they please.

And once again, blame the manufacturers/OEM for not making or ordering more GPU's, instead only one group.

1. How am I being dishonest?
2. Now you're shifting goalposts.
3. I never denied that. Mining operations, especially medium and large scale, are not people though.
4. If this was a discussion about the scalping problem, you'd have a point. With miners, however, simply increasing production is a fruitless effort. Carreer miners will grab any extra card they can get as long as PoW crypto exists.
 

NeoMorpheus

Posts: 527   +1,007
Carreer miners will grab any extra card they can get as long as PoW crypto exists.

Again, blame the GPU manufacturers, not the miners.

I can guarantee that will be a point where everyone will get their cards if enough were produced.

the only problem will be if the miners cant mine and start dumping the cards, that's why the manufacturers dont want to build more, so they left both groups to fight each other.

so again, blame the manufacturers.
 

m4a4

Posts: 2,365   +2,652
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Well... what I don't understand is how bad informed are you. You've seen nothing to back it up because you don't want it to, 24/7/365 energy consumption of such ASIC/GPUs mining is absurd and just bare simple calculations demonstrate it. But...well, you don't care anyway.
Funny, that doesn't back up anything. A pointless reply really.

So, got anything to backup how it is "wasted energy" or not? Or is that just another biased, subjective opinion not worth the energy used to post on this forum?
 

Kirby1

Posts: 101   +151
At this point I'm no longer looking at Nvidia for my next graphics upgrade. I'll take the slightly lower gaming and hashing performance of an AMD vs the BS they're pulling right now.
It makes no difference. You can try and be mad at Nvidia and amd if you want but it's not their fault that e-coins are blowing up. It only costs like 6k to mine a Bitcoin and considering they're worth over 50k now, it's easy to see why GPUs are so hard to get a hold of.
 

OneSpeed

Posts: 433   +229
Let me know when any 3000 series cards will become widely available. In the meantime, don't bother writing anything up for Nvidia (or AMD).
 

tellmewhy

Posts: 84   +37
They should put explosive to the card and as soon the driver identifies mining activity instantly they have to trigger the explosives and boom :)

Seriously, I think it’s an insult to the engineering team to put artificial barriers to the product.
 

texasrattler

Posts: 1,154   +543
sorry but the one being dishonest is you.

All you posted were excuses to continue making miners look bad and the poor, poor gamers innocent victims.

Look, people had the right to use these GPU's as they please.

And once again, blame the manufacturers/OEM for not making or ordering more GPU's, instead only one group.
Rights? No they don't. The purpose of videos cards was for 3d rendering not mining some bs coins. Nvidia has the right to do whatever they like to their cards. But they are a business and just like all businesses, they are in it to make money. And if something threatens thats, they'll find ways around it. Since all manufacturers are struggling, you can't just blame nvidia. Welcome to a covid world.
 

Shadowboxer

Posts: 1,506   +1,091
. You've seen nothing to back it up because you don't want it to, 24/7/365 energy consumption of such ASIC/GPUs mining is absurd and just bare simple calculations demonstrate it. But...well, you don't care anyway.

Crypto mining does use energy. But it’s environmental impact is nothing compared to actual mining, like in the ground for minerals and ores. Saying people shouldn’t mine for crypto because it’s bad for the environment is hypocritical if you’re happy to say pay money for fuel or buy a plane ticket etc.

Also, last I checked gamers are still using electricity to run their systems. In fact they love to over-volt and overclock to just get a few more frames per second. Hardly energy conscious is it.

I’m a fan of the environment, when I was younger I even spent 2 years volunteering for a hippie grass roots conservation company abroad that I won’t name. But trust me crypto currency is not high on the list of things that need to be changed in order to make an impact on the human impact on this planet. And they run off the grid, which is going to be much better sourced at least in the west over the next 50 years.
 

Bobbydpue

Posts: 125   +78
All new cards designed for gaming, should be shipped direct to the consumer until this crypto ponzi scheme is over.

Gamer cards should have a piece of hardware built in that detects mining and immediately disables the card.

Congress needs to get involved and make mining illegal based on the environmental impact due to wasting energy.
What else can retailers do to get cards in the hands of gamers when there is no way to prove someone is only gaming on their newly purchased video card? Bestbuy won't sell me a card via mailorder I have to go to a store in person to pick one up I bought online.

Video cards with reduced mining have already been hacked to their full mining potential.
What do you expect the government to do about something that doesn't affect them? You think the government is going to gain voters by supporting a "graphics card for everyone" program?
 

DukeJukem

Posts: 190   +177
Eh.....Nvidia doesn't owe a single one of you anything and neither does AMD. If you don't like a company for any reason you simply don't have to buy their products. You don't like Ford? Buy a Toyota. You don't like Nvidia? Buy AMD. If you don't like anyone I guess be lonely and upset while not having something you desire. Suck it up and realize people don't owe you anything......unless they're literally robbing you against your will, then they owe you something.....which was yours to begin with.

Also let's be logical here. Any serious miner isn't going to buy a 3060 to mine and it's already been stated that the RTX 3060 is going to be limited in its' mining capabilities. If that upsets you don't buy a 3060 for mining. So simple.

Quit blaming miners for the supply shortage. You going to blame fat people for McDonalds not having anymore Big Macs in "stock?" Or are you going to have a brain and realize it's the suppliers with the issue and not the people buying them. A Companies' "duty" is to sell you what you desire. That's it. You don't make the product. They do. Be thankful these things exist in the first place.

Lastly. You suck.
 

NeoMorpheus

Posts: 527   +1,007
Rights? No they don't.
Only gamers do? riiiight.... lol
The purpose of videos cards was for 3d rendering
Which is simply doing really fast math calculations, which are also...
not mining
Which is simply doing *gasp* math calculations!
some bs coins.
I'm sure that you will reject US$60k if given to you in the form of one bitcoin, since is bs money...
Nvidia has the right to do whatever they like to their cards.
Same as the person buying them...
But they are a business and just like all businesses, they are in it to make money.
Keep repeating that to yourself, until you fully understand it, since you clearly need that as per below...
you can't just blame nvidia.
Only thing Nvidia was blamed was of abusing their drivers to limit their own customers just because they wanted to.

Another example of them abusing their customers via driver abuse:

 

waclark

Posts: 51   +43
Congress needs to get involved and make mining illegal based on the environmental impact due to wasting energy.

Uh, no. Really? You want Congress to get involved in something that they have absolutely no power over? Why not stop all manufacturing that "wastes" energy? Why don't we make it illegal to watch TV at night, because that is wasting energy.

What's more wasteful, buying an expensive piece of hardware and using it maybe a couple hours a day or using it 7x24 to actually increase your income? If the article is correct and you can generate $180 in profits per month this is an investment that pays for itself in 3-4 months. That's a pretty incredible ROI.
 

texasrattler

Posts: 1,154   +543
Only gamers do? riiiight.... lol

Which is simply doing really fast math calculations, which are also...

Which is simply doing *gasp* math calculations!

I'm sure that you will reject US$60k if given to you in the form of one bitcoin, since is bs money...

Same as the person buying them...

Keep repeating that to yourself, until you fully understand it, since you clearly need that as per below...

Only thing Nvidia was blamed was of abusing their drivers to limit their own customers just because they wanted to.

Another example of them abusing their customers via driver abuse:

Again its their product. So what if you fell upset by their decisions. They also have the right to revert or change things.
I never said anything about gamers, only you keep bringing them up.

And again video cards weren't for invented for mining but because they use very complex calculations is why people use them. If Nvidia feel the need to limit those calculations, more power to them. Its their product at the end of the day.
 

QuantumPhysics

Posts: 4,914   +5,462
Uh, no. Really? You want Congress to get involved in something that they have absolutely no power over? Why not stop all manufacturing that "wastes" energy? Why don't we make it illegal to watch TV at night, because that is wasting energy.

What's more wasteful, buying an expensive piece of hardware and using it maybe a couple hours a day or using it 7x24 to actually increase your income? If the article is correct and you can generate $180 in profits per month this is an investment that pays for itself in 3-4 months. That's a pretty incredible ROI.
Buying hardware to play games or buying it to waste money and energy for someone’s PONZI scheme?


I’d say Congress should get involved immediately.
India already made it illegal.

I am prepared to vote that way.
 

fl21289

Posts: 243   +291
Buying hardware to play games or buying it to waste money and energy for someone’s PONZI scheme?


I’d say Congress should get involved immediately.
India already made it illegal.

I am prepared to vote that way.
If you want the government to be in control of everything... you my friend don't belong in the USA. Also you are comparing the US to India which is a known leaning socialist country...

Congress can stay out of graphic cards and handle real world problems which matter more.
 

Markoni35

Posts: 1,078   +442
Buying hardware to play games or buying it to waste money and energy for someone’s PONZI scheme?

You know what's most interesting? Those who have mouth full of ecology, global warming and CO2 doomsday warnings, are the first to support this energy waste known as cryptocurrency. So, basically, what they say is: "We don't really believe in this CO2 danger, but we'll keep pushing the alarms so we can continue imposing CO2 taxes on the naive sheep".
 

terzaerian

Posts: 926   +1,325
You know what's most interesting? Those who have mouth full of ecology, global warming and CO2 doomsday warnings, are the first to support this energy waste known as cryptocurrency. So, basically, what they say is: "We don't really believe in this CO2 danger, but we'll keep pushing the alarms so we can continue imposing CO2 taxes on the naive sheep".
What are you talking about? When salty gamers first rolled out this climate change concern trolling wrt crypto, I was the first to warn them that they can be judged by the same standard. I hate eco-puritans and hypocrites alike.

But the fact is, if they're going to use it as a bludgeon, I'm going to bludgeon them right back. And they're going to get hurt a lot worse than crypto is when everything is accounted for, which I am working on presently. I'll even get to put cloud gaming on blast, it's going to be fantastic.
 

terzaerian

Posts: 926   +1,325
Again its their product. So what if you fell upset by their decisions. They also have the right to revert or change things.
I never said anything about gamers, only you keep bringing them up.

And again video cards weren't for invented for mining but because they use very complex calculations is why people use them. If Nvidia feel the need to limit those calculations, more power to them. Its their product at the end of the day.
Wrong, once I buy it, it's my product. People simping for multi-billion dollar corporations and tyrannical governments out of spite is truly the most horrid aspect of hellworld 2021.