Nvidia boss Jensen Huang calls China "nanoseconds behind" the US in chips, but urges Washington to ease export rules

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Sounding off: It's long been said that China's chip industry is far behind the US – by several years, even up to a decade. Jensen Haung, on the other hand, says the rival nation is merely "nanoseconds behind" the United States in this area. The Nvidia boss also repeated his plea for Washington to allow American tech firms to compete in China as doing so would benefit both countries.

Speaking on the BG2 podcast, Huang said that the US and China have a competitive relationship. He warned that America was up against a "formidable, innovative, hungry, fast-moving, underregulated" competitor, citing its infamous 9-9-6 culture: working 9am to 9pm, six days per week. Former Google boss Eric Schmidt has just warned that this culture, contrasted against the US' work-from-home policies, means American firms cannot compete with their rivals from the Asian nation.

Huang then claimed that rather than being a year or two behind the US in the areas of chip development and manufacturing, China is "nanoseconds behind us, and so we've got to go compete."

The Nvidia boss pointed out that China has said it wants an open market while attracting foreign investment and having overseas companies compete in the country. "They [China] would also like to come out of China and participate around the world," he added.

Speaking about the US chip market and export restrictions on China, Huang questioned the logic of not allowing "America's best industry" to compete globally, which he said is vital for its survival, economic success, and geopolitical influence.

Many will argue, of course, that Huang only cares about selling more chips and little else. He previously downplayed fears that China could use Nvidia's AI chips for military purposes, claiming the country's armed forces cannot rely on US-made technology.

In August, the US reached a deal with Nvidia that would allow its H20 GPUs to be once again sold in China in exchange for Washington taking a 15% cut of the sales.

China, however, isn't clamoring for H20 chips. Chinese state media previously reported that the H20 GPUs were unsafe, outdated, and bad for the environment – it even accused the chips of having backdoors, kill switches, and spyware. As it looks to lessen reliance on foreign products in favor of domestic versions like those from Huawei, Beijing has reportedly been urging Chinese tech companies to avoid the H20.

Nevertheless, Nvidia is said to be working on an H20 successor with better performance, which could help persuade Chinese buyers to stick with Team Green.

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The moment China starts producing GPUs is the moment nVidias stock price crashes. They only want the US to ease up because it will be the end of their monopoly. That's actually fine because they have become more of a marketing company as of lately. AMD and Intel are also selling lots of GPUs to data centers. However, China creating their own chip manufacturing infrastructure and GPU supply chains will be nVidia's end. Maybe not end, but their end as top dog
 
Are they "nanoseconds" behind? Because we've yet to see on of these GPUs reviewed by anyone other than Chinese state media. so far they'v eyet o make a design that didnt rely on stolen IP or wasnt vastly obsolete the moment it came out.
The moment China starts producing GPUs is the moment nVidias stock price crashes. They only want the US to ease up because it will be the end of their monopoly. That's actually fine because they have become more of a marketing company as of lately. AMD and Intel are also selling lots of GPUs to data centers. However, China creating their own chip manufacturing infrastructure and GPU supply chains will be nVidia's end. Maybe not end, but their end as top dog
Define "lots". nVidia sells 95% of datacenter GPUs.
 
Are they "nanoseconds" behind? Because we've yet to see on of these GPUs reviewed by anyone other than Chinese state media. so far they'v eyet o make a design that didnt rely on stolen IP or wasnt vastly obsolete the moment it came out.

Define "lots". nVidia sells 95% of datacenter GPUs.
It's a multi trillion dollar market, 5% represents a lot of money. It's certainly enough to inconvenience us by supply shortages and keep consumer GPUs above MSRP
 
Anyone with more than 2 neurons in their brain knows that the export restrictions can only backfire. You can't stop a nation from advancing. If it doesn't use YOUR technology it will develop its OWN. Duh!
 
Are they "nanoseconds" behind? Because we've yet to see on of these GPUs reviewed by anyone other than Chinese state media. so far they'v eyet o make a design that didnt rely on stolen IP or wasnt vastly obsolete the moment it came out.

Define "lots". nVidia sells 95% of datacenter GPUs.

- I'm sure no small part of Huang's remarks are politicking, but China has been a sort of blind spot for us Americans for a long time and I think our perception of them is sort of frozen from 40 years ago.

China is standing up a home grown semiconductor industry at a rate that we as Americans cannot even comprehend, doing in years what it took us decades to do.

Yes, they are behind right now in absolute performance terms, but in terms of doctrine, manufacturing capability, and velocity of improvement they are absolutely "nanoseconds" behind (if not outright ahead in some capacities).

All it would really take at this point are a handful of unforced errors from the US for China to match and then potentially overtake us on any number of fronts, and if there is one thing we're not in short supply of, its unforced errors.
 
It's a multi trillion dollar market, 5% represents a lot of money. It's certainly enough to inconvenience us by supply shortages and keep consumer GPUs above MSRP
Yes it does represent a lot of money. And 19 of every 20 sales (and an even larger portion of profit) is going to Huang because intel and AMD are barely footnotes.

Supply shortages are all down to TSMC being the only game in town. That's on intel/samsung for falling behind. If AMD and intel were to stop producing all datacenter GPUs tomorrow, it would hardly make a blip on the consumer market side.
 
Yes it does represent a lot of money. And 19 of every 20 sales (and an even larger portion of profit) is going to Huang because intel and AMD are barely footnotes.

Supply shortages are all down to TSMC being the only game in town. That's on intel/samsung for falling behind. If AMD and intel were to stop producing all datacenter GPUs tomorrow, it would hardly make a blip on the consumer market side.
5% of the data center market is bigger than the whole of the consumer GPU market. I thought businesses were in business to make money. I can be mad about them ignoring the consumer market but I can't fault any of them for it.

People also seem to forget that Apple has dibs on TSMCs newest nodes and that everyone is fighting over their older nodes. Intel probably can't match them but I'm sure Samsung could if they wanted to expand capacity. South Korea is a proud nation and they see Samsung as royalty for lack of a better word. The problem with Samsung is they are only interested in making their own products and then sell off their extra capacity.
 
Are they "nanoseconds" behind? Because we've yet to see on of these GPUs reviewed by anyone other than Chinese state media. so far they'v eyet o make a design that didnt rely on stolen IP or wasnt vastly obsolete the moment it came out.

Define "lots". nVidia sells 95% of datacenter GPUs.
But they already have it, it is cheaper, and quickly catches up:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/New-Huaweis-Atlas-300I-DUO-96G_1601450236740.html
this above is a 2 years old card and due to large onboard memory it is perfect for llm training for 10+ times lower price. Sure, they can't get the same performance per watt yet but they are really close, and card like above are perfect for startups which don't want to spend 15k and more for a single nvidia card.

And Huawei do not stop there. New products are coming:
https://semianalysis.com/2025/04/16/huawei-ai-cloudmatrix-384-chinas-answer-to-nvidia-gb200-nvl72/

If the Chinese hadn't had any issue accessing nvidia / intel / amd products, they would still using them. But because there was such a problem they moved a lot of resources to get it done at home... and the results are imo spectacular. 5 years ago they had some crappy low end cpus. Now, they are really close to take over, and with this velocity they will take over in the next 5 - 8 years.
 
Anyone with more than 2 neurons in their brain knows that the export restrictions can only backfire. You can't stop a nation from advancing. If it doesn't use YOUR technology it will develop its OWN. Duh!

I missed something in this. Explain how having an ample supply of the latest technology from us keeps them from just copying it as fast as they get it. Neither one will "keep" them from building their own AI chips. But considering that just about everything they have is made or based initially on stolen IP, I don't see how keeping the latest IP from them will ensure they will build superior chips sooner.
 
I missed something in this. Explain how having an ample supply of the latest technology from us
What from "US" is this sentence based on ?
The word is fully churning brain matter to create new science. Is actually known that ASIA countries have invested a lot in their brain power, and is not just Asia. Universities across the world are constantly developing new potential and...

Considering Taiwan and Japan are not huge continents and are tiny countries. They get a lot of merit


A lot of the US stem students are from aboard, too!

"While specific total import numbers vary by source and year, international students play a significant role in U.S. STEM education, with about half a million enrolling in STEM programs annually in recent years, representing a substantial portion of the foreign student population and a large share of all master's and doctoral STEM degrees earned in the U.S. These students are critical to the U.S. innovation ecosystem, contributing to startup creation and workforce talent, though retention challenges remain a key issue. "

So quiet with this pompous grandeur as if US is doing **** on its own in regards to brain matter.



 
He is probably very pissed he cannot sell them top GPUs. Like, what % of money is Nvidia losing with restrictions? 30%, 45%?
In any case, probably a lot.
 
LJM is scared that when China switches from AMD and NVIDIA to homegrown chips their market could easily collapse, especially if those products can match and beat them in price/performance and efficiency.

China is already a massive NAND manufacturer and catching up in the AI market is only a matter of time. The only thing holding them back is the ban on ASML but they're working in domestic replacements and, while that's going slowly, they are making strides.

The threat to that leather wardrobe is real and he's worried, as he should be.
 
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