Nvidia doesn't need us anymore: How is the GeForce RTX 3080 12GB launching to zero reviews

mgilbert

Posts: 41   +111
"At this point, it's obvious that these companies don’t care about gamers, or more specifically their customers. Whether it's Nvidia, AMD, or Intel, they never have, they just care about profits"

"In other words, the 12GB RTX 3080 release is no different than the RTX 3080 Ti. Nvidia is simply looking to maximize profits"


"Profits" are a result of the "free market" choosing a product because it is made either so well - or offers so many benefits over "other products" (AMD cards) that the company is able to not only earn revenue but able to exceed revue with said profits.

I choose NVIDIA because I love their product.
I invest in their stock, because I love their product and I know others will choose their product whether they be gamers or crypto miners - who themselves - as much as I despise them - choose Nvidia because they know the product is superior for their needs.

Nvidia's job, as a company and to its shareholders (me) is to maximize profit by continuing to make a superior product.

And that's how the market works.

The same goes for apple, google, amazon, microsoft, taco bell, walmart, etc,etc...

The Free market is always right.

Ethics matter...
 

Ludak021

Posts: 599   +458
I can see many people don't understand the difference between "the free market" and "government manipulated markets" or "crony capitalism".

Whatever...it doesn't stop the facts from being the facts.

How do you define a market in which government directly interferes by banning major competitors?
Surely not "free market", yet, US does it to protect US companies and interests...
 

Thretosix

Posts: 133   +125
"At this point, it's obvious that these companies don’t care about gamers, or more specifically their customers. Whether it's Nvidia, AMD, or Intel, they never have, they just care about profits"

"In other words, the 12GB RTX 3080 release is no different than the RTX 3080 Ti. Nvidia is simply looking to maximize profits"


"Profits" are a result of the "free market" choosing a product because it is made either so well - or offers so many benefits over "other products" (AMD cards) that the company is able to not only earn revenue but able to exceed revue with said profits.

I choose NVIDIA because I love their product.
I invest in their stock, because I love their product and I know others will choose their product whether they be gamers or crypto miners - who themselves - as much as I despise them - choose Nvidia because they know the product is superior for their needs.

Nvidia's job, as a company and to its shareholders (me) is to maximize profit by continuing to make a superior product.

And that's how the market works.

The same goes for apple, google, amazon, microsoft, taco bell, walmart, etc,etc...

The Free market is always right.

I feel like I should be investing in Nvidia stocks because I can't buy a new GPU. At least I can make money off of the people buying them for crypto-mining.
 

QuantumPhysics

Posts: 5,666   +6,451
I feel like I should be investing in Nvidia stocks because I can't buy a new GPU. At least I can make money off of the people buying them for crypto-mining.


Now you've got it.

I find it so remarkable people are lined up to drop $1000 - $3000 on a "video card" so they can play video games or mine crypto (arguably more productive) yet it never crossed their mind that investing in the stock itself nets huge gain and dividends in most cases.

I've been investing since 2007 so I know it very well.

1 year ago Nvidia stock was 1/3rd what it is now.
 

i3rucei3ruce

Posts: 11   +4
"At this point, it's obvious that these companies don’t care about gamers, or more specifically their customers. Whether it's Nvidia, AMD, or Intel, they never have, they just care about profits"

"In other words, the 12GB RTX 3080 release is no different than the RTX 3080 Ti. Nvidia is simply looking to maximize profits"


"Profits" are a result of the "free market" choosing a product because it is made either so well - or offers so many benefits over "other products" (AMD cards) that the company is able to not only earn revenue but able to exceed revue with said profits.

I choose NVIDIA because I love their product.
I invest in their stock, because I love their product and I know others will choose their product whether they be gamers or crypto miners - who themselves - as much as I despise them - choose Nvidia because they know the product is superior for their needs.

Nvidia's job, as a company and to its shareholders (me) is to maximize profit by continuing to make a superior product.

And that's how the market works.

The same goes for apple, google, amazon, microsoft, taco bell, walmart, etc,etc...

The Free market is always right.
Well, no market is "always right" for everyone. If that existed, it wouldn't be a market at all.

The first question is whether a "free" market benefits more people or if a regulated one benefits more. The next question is whether the true owners and oligarchs of the ostensibly "free" market will allow the masses to educate themselves on class consciousness and thereby be able to analyze materially which one truly benefits them.
 

envirovore

Posts: 343   +668
TechSpot Elite
They wouldn't do this unless they were hiding something.. bet you it has memory issues similar to the 980 cards.. they've learned to hide stuff like that better after that fiasco

Given the debacle that occurred with the memory issues surrounding the 970's, that would be all the more reason for nVidia to *NOT* release a gpu with some sort of "hidden" or undisclosed issue.

 

Mister_K

Posts: 2,109   +799
You won't find a review on the 3080 12GB version because you're going to see a performance gain over the 3080 10GB, just like we did with the 2060 12GB over the 2060 6GB - almost non-existent.

Maybe 3% performance gain for an extra $350+ price over a 3080 10GB.

No thank you, Nvidia. I don't know why anyone would want to spend an extra $100 per 1% performance gain over the 3080 10GB.

I could see the benefit with 16GB models for content creation but for gaming, nope.
 

p51d007

Posts: 2,947   +2,327
I'm so glad I gave up on gaming in the early 2000's. Now, a simple desktop with an "average" GPU is good enough for photoshop, which is all I need. But, these gamers that "need" a hyper card to run the games well, I do feel sorry for ya.
 
Simple Greed. NVIDIA has watched their vendors (EVGA, zotac, etc) massively increase THEIR markups while NVIDIA was forced to sell FEs later at Best Buy for their "normal" MSRP.

So, they simply told the engineering staff to come up with a slightly better version of the card and they will literally 2x the price.

I mean, they've already admitted to limiting supply to keep prices artificially high when Crypto drops so why would they do anything else.
 

quadibloc

Posts: 332   +219
I don't object to Nvidia charging a little more for GPUs with a few more good cores. That's really all this new SKU is about, and while it's added to make more money for Nvidia, it's doing that in what I feel is an entirely legitimate way.
Limiting the amount of memory that can be attached to a GPU artificially, however, is something I can object to; GPU card makers should be free to hook up 24 GB to a 3060 if they feel like it, and if they have customers who would find it useful.
The current GPU shortage, though, is not due to any manipulation by Nvidia and AMD; the pandemic has created a level of demand which they cannot meet, because chip supplies from TSMC and Samsung are limited. That is the fact we need to focus on.
 

Neatfeatguy

Posts: 644   +1,137
Simple Greed. NVIDIA has watched their vendors (EVGA, zotac, etc) massively increase THEIR markups while NVIDIA was forced to sell FEs later at Best Buy for their "normal" MSRP.

So, they simply told the engineering staff to come up with a slightly better version of the card and they will literally 2x the price.

I mean, they've already admitted to limiting supply to keep prices artificially high when Crypto drops so why would they do anything else.

Out of all of AIB, I'd have to easily say EVGA has kept prices more reasonable than any other, at least in the States. Don't get me wrong, prices are high, but EVGA makes the competition look extra greedy at times when comparing prices.

I've snagged a 3060Ti for $470 from EVGA.
I've snagged a 3060Ti for $610 from ASUS.
I've snagged a 3070Ti for $720 from EVGA.
Other AIBs and their 3070Ti cards are going upwards of $900+

Nvidia is just working on maximizing their profits. Got bad dies that won't work for a 3090 or 3080Ti, cut it down a bit more and make it perform between the 3080 10GB and 3080Ti. Now sell a 3080 12GB.

Gamers and miners want more. Now Nvidia has given them more.
 

Stiqy

Posts: 95   +109
How do you define a market in which government directly interferes by banning major competitors?
Surely not "free market", yet, US does it to protect US companies and interests...

What NVidea competitor was banned in the US?
 

brucek

Posts: 973   +1,448
I expect that the completed review will summarize to "Much higher price for exact same performance on current games" and no wonder Nvidia did not place any sort of priority on getting that message out.

As far as what their realistic better choices would or should have been, I shrug my shoulders. I'd rather Nvidia get the full value of their work than scalpers. If this were food, or medicine, or shelter, I'd maybe have humanitarian concerns (plus at least some US states do have laws that allow punishment of scalpers of essential goods.) As for a luxury gaming product that anyone could simply decline to buy at a price they felt too high, this is lower on my list of concerns.

Like everyone else, I'd like for mfrg capacity to catch up to demand (or vice versa), at which point prices should better adjust on their own.
 

EdmondRC

Posts: 196   +262
The EVGA prices on the 12GB 3080 are eye popping. The XC3 version is more expensive than the non-existant 3080 Ti XC3. Yes, 350 Watts and some additional cores are going to mean this card has a nice little boost over the 3080 and the extra VRAM will help with future releases. But, ultimately, this card appears to be priced somewhere around $400- $500 above the 3080's MSRP. It'll be hard to say what Nvidia actually set the MSRP at unless there is a founders edition, which I have not seen yet.
 

Alfatawi Mendel

Posts: 159   +250
"At this point, it's obvious that these companies don’t care about gamers, or more specifically their customers. Whether it's Nvidia, AMD, or Intel, they never have, they just care about profits"

"In other words, the 12GB RTX 3080 release is no different than the RTX 3080 Ti. Nvidia is simply looking to maximize profits"


"Profits" are a result of the "free market" choosing a product because it is made either so well - or offers so many benefits over "other products" (AMD cards) that the company is able to not only earn revenue but able to exceed revue with said profits.

I choose NVIDIA because I love their product.
I invest in their stock, because I love their product and I know others will choose their product whether they be gamers or crypto miners - who themselves - as much as I despise them - choose Nvidia because they know the product is superior for their needs.

Nvidia's job, as a company and to its shareholders (me) is to maximize profit by continuing to make a superior product.

And that's how the market works.

The same goes for apple, google, amazon, microsoft, taco bell, walmart, etc,etc...

The Free market is always right.
"At this point, it's obvious that these companies don’t care about gamers, or more specifically their customers. Whether it's Nvidia, AMD, or Intel, they never have, they just care about profits"

"In other words, the 12GB RTX 3080 release is no different than the RTX 3080 Ti. Nvidia is simply looking to maximize profits"


"Profits" are a result of the "free market" choosing a product because it is made either so well - or offers so many benefits over "other products" (AMD cards) that the company is able to not only earn revenue but able to exceed revue with said profits.

I choose NVIDIA because I love their product.
I invest in their stock, because I love their product and I know others will choose their product whether they be gamers or crypto miners - who themselves - as much as I despise them - choose Nvidia because they know the product is superior for their needs.

Nvidia's job, as a company and to its shareholders (me) is to maximize profit by continuing to make a superior product.

And that's how the market works.

The same goes for apple, google, amazon, microsoft, taco bell, walmart, etc,etc...

The Free market is always right.
A duopoly is not a free market. Let's discuss free-markets when the US govt. stops banning competing products.
 

Avro Arrow

Posts: 1,989   +2,337
TechSpot Elite
It's funny you know. I had been saying that the RTX 3080 will be a short-lived card because Far Cry 6 requires a minimum 11GB of VRAM to use the HD textures. I can't use them because the RX 5700 XT only has 8GB but I spent less than $500 (before tax) on it.

I have to wonder how all of the people who spent >$1,000 on the 10GB model feel right now. Probably like all the people who spent a crap-tonne of money on the RTX 2080 Ti felt after Ampere launched.

I swear, nVidia keeps screwing consumers and they keep coming back like battered spouses. What nVidia is showing us is the low opinion that THEY have of their own customers. When nVidia does something like this, they're basically saying "Our customers are dumb enough to take whatever abuse we throw at them and they keep coming back so let's soak them for every cent that they have!" which they've proven time and again doesn't hurt them one bit.

It's obvious that nVidia believes that their customers are robots who will pay ANY amount to get a video card in a green box. History has shown, very clearly, that they've never been wrong about this. Even now, with the offerings from ATi being essentially equal, people are insanely willing to spend more for an RTX 3080 than an RX 6900 XT, despite the 6GB VRAM deficiency.
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Strawman

Posts: 436   +238
It's funny you know. I had been saying that the RTX 3080 will be a short-lived card because Far Cry 6 requires a minimum 11GB of VRAM to use the HD textures. I can't use them because the RX 5700 XT only has 8GB but I spent less than $500 (before tax) on it.

I have to wonder how all of the people who spent >$1,000 on the 10GB model feel right now. Probably like all the people who spent a crap-tonne of money on the RTX 2080 Ti felt after Ampere launched.

I swear, nVidia keeps screwing consumers and they keep coming back like battered spouses. What nVidia is showing us is the low opinion that THEY have of their own customers. When nVidia does something like this, they're basically saying "Our customers are dumb enough to take whatever abuse we throw at them and they keep coming back so let's soak them for every cent that they have!" which they've proven time and again doesn't hurt them one bit.

It's obvious that nVidia believes that their customers are robots who will pay ANY amount to get a video card in a green box. History has shown, very clearly, that they've never been wrong about this. Even now, with the offerings from ATi being essentially equal, people are willing to spend more for an RTX 3080 than an RX 6900 XT, despite the 6GB VRAM deficiency. That's just insane.
Wut? People are buying nvidia cause their cards are by far the best in any and every metric. Its funny blaming nvidia consumers when you are an owner of a 5700xt. I mean really now? The black screen edition video card?
Also, funny you think a 6900xt is equal to a 3080. Yeah, right, until you try to play cyberpunk. And then you realize the 6900xt os 2 generations behind 😂
 

kiwigraeme

Posts: 729   +534
Let's all be truthful - we are not going to get a very informed discussion on the "Free" market . Nearly everyone here knows just enough to BS and be dangerous - including myself the smug intellectual .
Free market is like democracy - kind of meaningless with out the definitions, your fundamental assumptions etc .
The USA is not pure Free Market , nor is it pure Capitalism.

Most Americans do not want "Free" trade agreements .
There are probably 10 000 plus Phds about Free markets and their ilk

I will make one comment - The dice are massively stacked for the "Haves" vs the "Have Nots"

so when I see a "Have" bemoaning positive discrimination I roll my eyes - their lack of awareness that they have had positive discrimination their own lives - including right up to not being busted for cocaine preppy parties at their frat houses .

 

maroon1

Posts: 95   +120
The extra memory is good for future proofing cards for 4k. I play at 4k on my 8GB 1070ti and my memory is almsot always full even at low settings. I use a TV as a monitor so the only way to get low latency is to run at its native resolution.

There not single game today that need 8GB on low (and even medium setting) at any resolution.

It is probably just memory allocation. Basically the game will just use the memory but it does not need it

Also, 1080p high setting usually need more video memory than 4K low setting anyway.