Nvidia RTX 4080 prices look a lot better in the US

passwordistaco

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I'd love to see AMD go for the throat with RDNA3. They've been sensible with dropping RDNA2 prices at the end of the generation and don't have the big existing inventory problem the Nvidia has. They can still go high end first and let RDNA2 cover the enthusiast and midrange for now.

A recent leak supposedly shows a 7900 reference board with 2 8-pin power plugs, slightly longer card than the reference 6900XT. AMD is claiming +50% performance/watt over RDNA2. If that's raster, the 7900 will beat the pants off the 4080 (RT TBD) at 350ish max watts. Nvidia is showing the 4080 as roughly 3090/Ti level, which is where the 6900XT fits in (raster). Between $670 for the 6900XT and $1200 for the 4080, AMD has a lot of room.

I'll **** a brick, though, if AMD has anything to challenge the token-launch 4090.
 

Hodor

Posts: 251   +182
$1199 is not a bad number. If you sum 11 and 99 you get 110, which is quite acceptable. Or is my math too exotic?
 

brucek

Posts: 1,294   +1,921
$1,199 was probably fine last gen, at least as viewed through the eyes of an optimistic crypto miner in a rising market, and there were lots of those.

This gen, with the miners gone, and no new console gen = no higher graphics budgets for AAA games, we'll have a much smaller group of interested buyers. There's maybe some folks with business uses for the cards where the extra speed directly translates into additional revenues. There'll be some gaming whales who will pay any price for the best even if it's not visible on the screen (and it probably won't be, a lot of the time.) You'd think both groups would want the 4090 first but maybe they end up on the 4080 if they can't find one.

For me, feels like a pass.

If AMD has volume and is willing to go back to competing on value I still smell opportunity for them. Nvidia's been having some driver issues with the last few driver releases too, potentially decreasing that concern for those that had it.
 

DukeJukem

Posts: 310   +342
Considering the performance difference between the 80 and 90.... I dont even want it, let alone for that price. Nvidia needs to explain to me how their 3070 I bought has screen tearing with v sync off in game and g sync on with rtss capping my fps below my refresh rate but my 6600 non xt never had screen tearing in the same scenario. You suck nvidia.
 

Rq3EWAq

Posts: 133   +136
Sorry, not buying that melting card with new dumb power connector. My high end power supply is just fine and intend to continue to use it with normal, stable and not melting 6800 XT card. Not interested in overpriced nVidia crap.
 

Shaitan

Posts: 197   +224
Well, if thats how were are already thinking about them, then by all means, lets give Intel and Nvidia money, see how that went (with Intel) and how its going (with Nvidia).


Thats on Intel, not on AMD and its only showing you how dirty Intel is. When they were on top, we got r@ped by them and keep in 4 core hell for a decade. Yeah, no thanks.

Funny enough, I was able to get a 6900XT at MSRP on their site. What did nvidia do on those same days? they closed their online shop and proceeded to sell directly to miners which then they proceeded to screw over by gimping their drivers.


Again, I was able to buy one from their site and the price was high, but still a lot lower than nvidia offering, which was US$500 to US$1K more but not double the performance, except on RT, which to me, is currently a gimmick, instead of a plus.
The rest of your points, many of them are correct, but you forgot to add all the technologies that nvidia loves to release that conviniently only works with their hardware, hence acting as a lock to keep you locked into their hardware and one of the biggest FU that they have done is the DLSS 3.0 support.

The last point that I can make is that out of 3 evils, I decided to support the least evil of them all, which is AMD.
My friend, I'm supporting the ones which are decent.
I've got NOTHING agains AMD. My two rigs at home are a 5900X and a 3900X. I would DEFINITELY prefer to NOT give anything to IntelVidia, they are the guilty parties for the INSANE last decades pricing.
 

Loadedaxe

Posts: 86   +137
My friend, I'm supporting the ones which are decent.
I've got NOTHING agains AMD. My two rigs at home are a 5900X and a 3900X. I would DEFINITELY prefer to NOT give anything to IntelVidia, they are the guilty parties for the INSANE last decades pricing.
AMD are no saints either, look at the 5000 and 7000 series cpus, they will do the same with the new video cards, because people will pay it, you will see in 2 days.
 

Nobina

Posts: 3,963   +4,553
The market has turned on it's head. The manufacturer doesn't have to pander to the needs of the consumer, they just release whatever they want and the consumer bends over backwards to pay for it like it's some sort of a privilage to pay for an Nvidia card.
 

dipankar

Posts: 6   +7
They are doing strategy what Apple is doing for decades. They are trying to trim the number of buyers and increasing their profit margin. Even if less are number of cards are going to be sell in the market. Still they are going to gain huge profit becase of 50-70% increase of MSRP. I don't think Nvidia or AMD are going to drop prices of the graphics card in a large number unless there is launch of new generation cards. This is how capitalist market works promoted by USA mainly. There is no control on such corporates to provide fair market price for the consumers. Rich will get richer more & poor will get poorer. Only rich people can afford luxurious life style. This creates major discrimination in the world. And our political leaders turning blind eye because they are benifiting from such rich people.
 

Rq3EWAq

Posts: 133   +136
@dipankar

"Only rich people can afford luxurious life style. This creates major discrimination in the world."

WTF dude. What are you smoking.

Let me understand, on this example:
Alice is motivated and takes care of her business, often 16 hours a day, even on the weekends. Alice is rich and can afford to buy whatever **** she wants.

Bob is a little bit lazy and has been working in the same workplace for the last 10 years. Bob is poor and can't afford to buy a new GPU.

Where is discrimination here? How is he discriminated? I don't see any problem here.
Who is stopping Bob from working more, opening his own business, being more educated and productive, to afford to buy whatever the **** he wants?
Unfortunately, very often answer to this question is Bob himself.
 

Fastturtle

Posts: 97   +51
Never let a good crysis go to waste :)
what looks bad for you this video cards can also looks like opportunity :)
opportunity to buy other things: SSD supposedly going down in price, mybe a good time to look at a monitor or 2 if the price is right, sure it's not a good time to buy processor/mobo either right now but you can take a look at power supplies like ATX 3 models see if they are going down you might need them later if not now/yet....what else let's see, could be a good time to buy some fans or coolers (for AM5 ?), some AIO's ? or build a open loop ? you can still get the 4090/7990XTX later, in a year or so im sure all of them will be going down :)
Actually, it's not a bad time to consider a new AM4 or Intel build. Prices are reasonable on both - avoid the Early Adopter Tax and Normal probllems associated with such a major change in CPU design. AMD is currently suffering similar problems as Intel did with the 12th Gen CPU's in performance or even apps not being willing to work due to too heavy an optimization for Zen3 but you are right. Look at things like Memory, Storage or even monitors. As to the ATX 3.0 PSU's; I wouldn't bother unless you absolutely need the performance. Otherwise wait until they come down in price.

Heck I'm running a Radeon 5600xt and do not need a new GPU due to older Games. Sure the new ones are great if you're playing AAA titles but most of my Games are DX7 thru DX9, thus a new card with lots of RT performance is useless to me. Even my online game doesn't have any RT though they finally moved to DX11 for the client and gained a bit of a performance improvement on older hardware.
 

dipankar

Posts: 6   +7
@dipankar

"Only rich people can afford luxurious life style. This creates major discrimination in the world."

WTF dude. What are you smoking.

Let me understand, on this example:
Alice is motivated and takes care of her business, often 16 hours a day, even on the weekends. Alice is rich and can afford to buy whatever **** she wants.

Bob is a little bit lazy and has been working in the same workplace for the last 10 years. Bob is poor and can't afford to buy a new GPU.

Where is discrimination here? How is he discriminated? I don't see any problem here.
Who is stopping Bob from working more, opening his own business, being more educated and productive, to afford to buy whatever the **** he wants?
Unfortunately, very often answer to this question is Bob himself
You don't have any experience how poor people struggle for their life. May be you are staying in developed nations & not from lower class category. Poor people works more harder & over time instead they get money which is much more less as comparing the person working in big corporate companies in senior post. Let's be pratical that this world isn't fair for every one. People with exceptional money power can bent laws, justice etc. Remember, right to educations isn't same for every class of people. Lower class people can't afford time & money to spend on educations as compare to the rich people. Your opinions are without adequate pratical knowlege of whole world. Please go & visit countries where you will find the adequate number of people belong to the lower class people. Spend time with those poor people, then you will be able to understand my point of view. According to your example, I am not saying Alice shoudn't get extra money for which he has devoted. I am just saying that everybody shoud be get equal pay work per time for which he has spent. The company CEO's or share holder or any other senior post in the companies shouldn't get enormous remuneration as compare to the other employees who are also working harder.
 
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passwordistaco

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You don't have any experience how poor people struggle for their life. May be you are staying in developed nations & not from lower class category. Poor people works more harder & over time instead they get money which is much more less as comparing the person working in big corporate companies in senior post. Let's be pratical that this world isn't fair for every one. People with exceptional money power can bent laws, justice etc. Remember, right to educations isn't same for every class of people. Lower class people can't afford time & money to spend on educations as compare to the rich people. Your opinions are without adequate pratical knowlege of whole world. Please go & visit countries where you will find the adequate number of people belong to the lower class people. Spend time with those poor people, then you will be able to understand my point of view.
A new GPU is pretty far along Maslow's hierarchy of needs.
 

dipankar

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A new GPU is pretty far along Maslow's hierarchy of needs.
That is true. I accept your perceptions. That it doesn't bother us because it isn't basic necessities for human beings. But what about healthcare, medicines, food etc these are also run by corporate companies for which govt has no control on them regarding pricing. Educations are also very expensive to afford for most parts of the world. These companies are given free market by governments to set their prices as per their wishes without any objections.
 

tellmewhy

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The die manufacturing cost is ~40$ the cooler manufacturing cost is ~100$ (yes the cooler manufacturing cost is more than the manufacturing cost of the die), the vram manufacturing cost is ~100$ and 20$ manufacturing cost for all the tralala around (capacitors) means a total manufacturing cost of a card is ~280-300$.

All the other over 300$ is air (software, middlemen, taxes, profits etc)
 

Rq3EWAq

Posts: 133   +136
You don't have any experience how poor people struggle for their life. May be you are staying in developed nations & not from lower class category. Poor people works more harder & over time instead they get money which is much more less as comparing the person working in big corporate companies in senior post. Let's be pratical that this world isn't fair for every one. People with exceptional money power can bent laws, justice etc. Remember, right to educations isn't same for every class of people. Lower class people can't afford time & money to spend on educations as compare to the rich people. Your opinions are without adequate pratical knowlege of whole world. Please go & visit countries where you will find the adequate number of people belong to the lower class people. Spend time with those poor people, then you will be able to understand my point of view. According to your example, I am not saying Alice shoudn't get extra money for which he has devoted. I am just saying that everybody shoud be get equal pay work per time for which he has spent. The company CEO's or share holder or any other senior post in the companies shouldn't get enormous remuneration as compare to the other employees who are also working harder.

"Let's be pratical that this world isn't fair for every one. "

Agreed. And this is part of the game. It always was. And Nvidia is not a charity company and they would be stupid to donate or subsidy the poor, to give them cheaper cards, because the poor feel offended by the world not being fair.

"Spend time with those poor people, then you will be able to understand my point of view."
I don't need to. We both know how world works, but only you are saying is a discrimination (!!!) to not offer free or cheaper products to the poor, because they are entitled (in your view by my interpretation). You sound like a communist, to be honest. Punish productive, smart people, give fruits of their labour to the lazy ones, or the ones feeling entitled because they live in X country (insert poor country of your choice).

"The company CEO's or share holder or any other senior post in the companies shouldn't get enormous remuneration as compare to the other employees who are also working harder."

Says who? You? Are you a shareholder of aforementioned company? No. Then why you feel like you are entitled to say how much CEO should earn? It's his company! And the shareholders. They paid for all of it, risking their capital. Not you. And the workers in that company, they have a contract. Both sides agreed to the contract and signed it. If an employee feels offended or discriminated (lol) by being offered too low salary, he is free to go. No one is forcing anyone to anything, this is free market.