Nvidia teases RTX 3000 'Ampere' GPU launch event

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ddferrari

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It's objectively bad value compared to prior GPU generations. Price on the top end (Titan) more than doubled ($1,200 to $2,500) and this trickled down to all the lower tier cards.

When you make the claim " These expensive Nvidia GPUs are definitely worth it " you are implying that you have some valid points behind your reasoning beside "money is not a factor". Saying something is "worth it" and following it up with "money doesn't matter to me!" are clearly contradictory ideas given that "worth it" implies you are getting enough bang for your buck. Worth it to you, yes. Worth it to others, you have yet to provide any supporting evidence to support that.

It's one thing to buy these cards, it's another to defend their ever increasing prices claiming everyone who can't afford them is poor. All you are doing is perpetuating PC elitism in the worst way possible. No one said you had to reply to this thread and start labeling people who can't afford these are poor and no one said you had to make promotional statements implying these cards were good value. I do not need to be excused for calling your dubious statements out.
I will buy a 3080 Ti because I want one. No apologies.

Do you have a long-winded, pedantic argument as well for me?
 
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I am tempted to jump my 1080ti. It is a beautiful Gigabyte card with gigabyte fullcover waterblock. So I know I will make some money selling it.
But I still do not wanna pay too much for 3080 or 3070.
I have a bad feeling that the speed gain will be very minimal, 25% tops.
Maybe it is a good idea to wait for AMD to release their cards and then see where the prices are.
AMD, please, make awesome fast cards that will not be priced above the skies.
 

Evernessince

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I will buy a 3080 Ti because I want one. No apologies.

Do you have a long-winded, pedantic argument as well for me?
Nope, I don't see a problem here. Wanting and buying one for yourself was never something I took issue with. It was the insinuation that people who don't are broke, which is flat out false, and that it is good value (also false).
 

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Best of the best would be the Titan at $2,500, assuming that doesn't increase in price next gen as well. I wouldn't call people looking for cards below that price point poor, I'd say they are 99.9999% of the market. Given American's propensity to buy lavish things without actually having the long term funds outlaying that much cash isn't a sign of not being poor, it's just pure stupidity in most cases.

You can always tell the caliber of a person based on how they spend their money. The amount they have or the amount they spend is irrelevant.
"Given American's propensity to buy lavish things without actually having the long term funds outlaying that much cash isn't a sign of not being poor, it's just pure stupidity in most cases.

You can always tell the caliber of a person based on how they spend their money. The amount they have or the amount they spend is irrelevant"

You seem to be highly affected by what others do with their money. The caliber of a person is based on how they relate to other people. Their money is totally irrelevant.

If my spending bothers you, I have done nothing wrong. What it means is that you're feeling envious. Your feelings are 100% your creation.
 
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Nope, I don't see a problem here. Wanting and buying one for yourself was never something I took issue with. It was the insinuation that people who don't are broke, which is flat out false, and that it is good value (also false).
A different poster brought up the "value" subject, but I will say that value in itself is subjective. Value isn't all about the price to performance ratio. For me, the value will be knowing that I put together a top end system that brings me hours of joy every day. Would I feel less joy with a mid-range card? Yes. That means I left performance on the table. So the "value " for me is knowing that I got the best available product at the time, and that I will now choose to be happy with it for the next 4 or 5 years.
 
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"Given American's propensity to buy lavish things without actually having the long term funds outlaying that much cash isn't a sign of not being poor, it's just pure stupidity in most cases.

You can always tell the caliber of a person based on how they spend their money. The amount they have or the amount they spend is irrelevant"

You seem to be highly affected by what others do with their money. The caliber of a person is based on how they relate to other people. Their money is totally irrelevant.

If my spending bothers you, I have done nothing wrong. What it means is that you're feeling envious. Your feelings are 100% your creation.
This comment is neither on topic nor does it address any of the points I made.

A different poster brought up the "value" subject, but I will say that value in itself is subjective. Value isn't all about the price to performance ratio. For me, the value will be knowing that I put together a top end system that brings me hours of joy every day. Would I feel less joy with a mid-range card? Yes. That means I left performance on the table. So the "value " for me is knowing that I got the best available product at the time, and that I will now choose to be happy with it for the next 4 or 5 years.
In this context, on a GPU related thread in a tech forum, an overwhelming majority of people would agree value is how much performance you are getting for your money.

Anyone can fabricate some esoteric meaning for any word (like your use of "Best" for example). Your example works for you and you alone. It does not retroactively change past statements.

If you used your version of value face to face to real people, they'd probably look at you funny. This kind of twisting is only something you see online.
 

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So not being broke means you ought to waste money? I think a lot of people who weren't broke went for the 2070S, 2060 or Radeon 5700XT this generation. They're really not that far off of the 2080 ti experience except at 4k but less than half the price. That's a new monitor right there, or (god forbid) money that can be spent elsewhere than pc hardware. Just because people want price/performance doesn't mean they're broke.
I agree back in 2012 I had the money to build the best I went a tier lower because the extra cost was in my budget but didn't seem worth it. I went 3930k instead of 3960x, I went quad GTX 670 instead of quad GTX 680 because it wasn't worth it, and to be honest I ended up running tri 670 with the 4th as dedicated physx because I saw no significant difference. The only thing I overspent on was the dell 30in 2560x1600 screen. But I had 95% of the preformance of the best in 2012 but saved 1000 bucks.
 

ddferrari

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"Given American's propensity to buy lavish things without actually having the long term funds outlaying that much cash isn't a sign of not being poor, it's just pure stupidity in most cases.

You can always tell the caliber of a person based on how they spend their money. The amount they have or the amount they spend is irrelevant"

You seem to be highly affected by what others do with their money. The caliber of a person is based on how they relate to other people. Their money is totally irrelevant.

If my spending bothers you, I have done nothing wrong. What it means is that you're feeling envious. Your feelings are 100% your creation."

This comment is neither on topic nor does it address any of the points I made.

*I was replying directly to what you stated, so if it's not on topic...*

"In this context, on a GPU related thread in a tech forum, an overwhelming majority of people would agree value is how much performance you are getting for your money.

Anyone can fabricate some esoteric meaning for any word (like your use of "Best" for example). Your example works for you and you alone. It does not retroactively change past statements.

If you used your version of value face to face to real people, they'd probably look at you funny. This kind of twisting is only something you see online."
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Nothing I'm saying here is fabricated OR esoteric, to those familiar with these words.. You and I could go to the same restaurant... you order the jumbo basket of tater tots, while I got a modest shrimp cocktail. We pay the same price.

Is yours a better value? To YOU, yes. To ME, no. I wasn't looking for "bang-for-the-buck". I wanted what I thought I'd enjoy the most. "Value" is very much open to interpretation. So if the 3080 ends up priced at $700 and gets me 90 fps, but the 3080 Ti get's me 120 fps at $1400, then it's the Ti all the way. Because I want 120 fps, period. "Value" aside.

I don't approach my system with a "what performance can I get for $???", but rather "how much do I have to spend to get 3440x1440/120Hz/High or Ultra settings"?

Stick around- you might learn something about what's referred to as "Big Picture" thinking! :)
 
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So if the 3080 ends up priced at $700 and gets me 90 fps, but the 3080 Ti get's me 120 fps at $1400, then it's the Ti all the way. Because I want 120 fps, period. "Value" aside.
All that twisting of what the word value means all for you to admit it has nothing to do with value at all.

Then again anyone reading along can tell you were ignoring reality to try to push a false point. Value has a common interpretation, regardless of your or my opinion. No amount of either will change that fact.
 

ddferrari

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All that twisting of what the word value means all for you to admit it has nothing to do with value at all.

Then again anyone reading along can tell you were ignoring reality to try to push a false point. Value has a common interpretation, regardless of your or my opinion. No amount of either will change that fact.
My gosh you're dense. Value is what matters to "the CONSUMER". You obviously grew up in a "financially challenged" family. Money is not evil, no matter what you have been told.

You clearly have a victim mentality: No matter how much you aquire, you must always be frugal. The family has been broke for Gens. Yep it's hard to shake off PTSD. Still doesn't make you right. Just scared of going back to the old ways. Fear and logic rarely meet.

Value is not simply measured by bang-for-the-buck. It's not that deep of a concept.
If $1400 for the 3080 Ti has a similar (or probably much less) impact on me than the $600 impact on your life, It doesn't matter to me. I won't miss it. Can you get that? I apparently have a better job. DEAL.

Get over your jealousy and pour that energy into becoming a 3080 Ti owner with no pain. It's really what you're begging for anyway, isn't it??
 
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All that twisting of what the word value means all for you to admit it has nothing to do with value at all.

Then again anyone reading along can tell you were ignoring reality to try to push a false point. Value has a common interpretation, regardless of your or my opinion. No amount of either will change that fact.
Value doesn’t have a common interpretation at all. What a load of crap! Value is absolutely subjective. And whilst you may place frames per dollar In your ideals of value others don’t care and just care about fps. Others value looks, some may value quiet. I certainly pay more for the same GPU to have a quieter one for example.

You seem to be repeatedly failing to grasp the basic concept that some users want to spend more and have better. What you said on this forum is no different to going to a track day and telling off all the sports car owners that they are stupid for not buying a reasonably priced hatchback with an economical engine.

You are certainly no tech enthusiast if you can’t wrap your brain around the fact that some people want something like a 2080ti or a 3950X/10900K.
 

Evernessince

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Value doesn’t have a common interpretation at all. What a load of crap! Value is absolutely subjective. And whilst you may place frames per dollar In your ideals of value others don’t care and just care about fps. Others value looks, some may value quiet. I certainly pay more for the same GPU to have a quieter one for example.

You seem to be repeatedly failing to grasp the basic concept that some users want to spend more and have better. What you said on this forum is no different to going to a track day and telling off all the sports car owners that they are stupid for not buying a reasonably priced hatchback with an economical engine.

You are certainly no tech enthusiast if you can’t wrap your brain around the fact that some people want something like a 2080ti or a 3950X/10900K.
Right, because when someone says "that's a good value", it doesn't mean you are getting a good deal. /sarcasm :joy:

Whatever you need to say to justify your purchases buddy. Only in the mind of those who purchase overpriced items are they good value. To everyone else, it's the opposite.

You seem to be removing context from the word value. In the case of GPUs (what we are talking about), value is performance per dollar. What you value is something completely different and completely irrelevant to the conversation. That was never the topic.
 
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