cliffordcooley
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Only because you don't want it to. Yeah we are done here.
Origins of humans can be traced back to Europe, not Africa, study claims
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lol... no... because it DOESN'T... feel free to post something that supports your view that has a basis in fact... I'll wait
cliffordcooley
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You want facts find a good church. The evidence is there, you just don't want to see it. You would rather spout non-sense, as if those that have seen don't know what they are talking about. You can't be told, you have to experience the truth.lol... no... because it DOESN'T... feel free to post something that supports your view that has a basis in fact... I'll wait
Scorpionking20
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Are you Mormon? That's what they say. If your not...who's right? You? If your not Mormon, they would find your thoughts dead wrong. See? We can't use subjectivity and "feeling" to give us "knowledge."
So post something backed up by some evidence.... And no, the bible doesn't count as evidence.... You can't do it.... Faith has no place on a tech site, go troll elsewhere.
cliffordcooley
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My stance is that both are correct (check my first comment in this thread). You are the one trolling the christian community suggesting their belief is in something false. So I ask you in return, where is your proof. You have non, yet you call me the troll.
Had you bothered to read MY posts, you'd know that I am NOT suggesting their belief is something false.... I'm simply calling it what it is - BELIEF!!
This is a TECH site - so leave your faith at home and use facts and evidence to make your arguments.... I already gave you lots of evidence - go read the 4-part article I posted which gives tons of evidence refuting the creationist propaganda that was posted here.
Again: if you have some scientific evidence that discounts evolution, please post so we can have a real debate.
cliffordcooley
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I think I will quote myself.
You suggest there is no evidence. I'm telling you there is evidence. There's more to it than simply faith. I'm sorry you are blind, stuck in your ways, and refuse to pursue the truth.
Just so we are clear, you was talking your **** first. Keep yours at home and I wouldn't have need in calling you out.
Scientific evidence please.... and if you seriously mean "get it from Church", I think you've pretty much made my point for me...
Post your evidence please.... the entire bible is available online, feel free to post your evidence so I can ridicule it
cliffordcooley
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Goodbye Squid
commanderasus
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Scorpionking20
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Scientific evidence please.... and if you seriously mean "get it from Church", I think you've pretty much made my point for me...
Post your evidence please.... the entire bible is available online, feel free to post your evidence so I can ridicule it
Just wanted to jump in again on Squids side and state for others reading that, in reality, we have to use evidence as a starting point for what we believe. Cliff sees "truth" where none exists. However, he does get a release of dopamine when going to church eventually because he "feels" that he has the truth and Squid doesn't. What Cliff doesn't get, is that in science (and for Christ sake, we're on a tech site...no science, no tech) we can't "feel" or "believe" truth. Truth and fact don't give a damn about the human condition. We have to observe, record, hypothesize and test in order to learn. We can't read fictional texts (especially from tribal cultures millennia gone) and just say "this is true" and have that ACTUALLY be true.
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Raoul Duke
Well let me lay this one on you all. The entire enterprise of science rests on an assumption that can not be proven or disproven by the methods of science. That assumption is that the only way to get truth is exclusively through empirical means. Say, for means of argument, that a God exists. By the very nature of such a being, God is not going to be forced to obey the terms of some experimenter testing a theory that needs to be replicated by different testers in different places (or what kind of God would that be if we could issue the orders and make God obey, by definition, not a God). So it appears by the definition of science that the basic assumption is outside the limits of the scientific method.
It does not have to be limited to God, for example some propose that humans have some innate knowledge, some that we are a blank slate at birth (the 'tabula rasa') and have to learn everything. For sure DNA provides a blueprint of sorts for structure, but what about for knowledge? Then there are the claims of the skeptics, to use a current example we cannot prove or disprove that we live in the Matrix (referring to the movie) or as is current now, that we are a computer simulation done by some more intelligent being (I am referring to what Elon Musk and others are saying).
Just some thoughts by a scientist/philosopher
It does not have to be limited to God, for example some propose that humans have some innate knowledge, some that we are a blank slate at birth (the 'tabula rasa') and have to learn everything. For sure DNA provides a blueprint of sorts for structure, but what about for knowledge? Then there are the claims of the skeptics, to use a current example we cannot prove or disprove that we live in the Matrix (referring to the movie) or as is current now, that we are a computer simulation done by some more intelligent being (I am referring to what Elon Musk and others are saying).
Just some thoughts by a scientist/philosopher
cliffordcooley
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And that is why you are completely ignoring the facts in whether God is real. You are choosing not to do the same for Christianity.
There are no FACTS regarding the existence of God.... there is only FAITH.... As I've said already, you can choose to believe in a god, and no one can prove you right or wrong - it's a matter of FAITH.
But this is a TECH site... therefore, to argue on this thread (or any other thread on this site), it's expected that you use evidence, facts, etc... Since no one can argue faith, there is no point bringing it up.
What angered me on this thread originally, was a certain poster stating that there was just as much evidence disproving evolution as there was proving it... THIS IS A LIE!!!!
The link he posted to prove this lie was simply a creationist propaganda article to which I posted the link to a 4-part article that exposes it for the lies and misinformation that it is.
Once again.... THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT POINTS TO THE FACT THAT "EVOLUTION DID NOT HAPPEN"!!
All evidence we have points to evolution having happened, and is still happening today.
If anyone wants to raise an argument that IS NOT religiously based, I'm happy to debate you... otherwise, I'll simply continue to heap scorn and ridicule on you instead
cliffordcooley
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Squid I told you goodbye. I have nothing further to say to you. You are as closed minded as they come. You are the one that is choosing not to see the facts, and yes they do exist. It's not all completely blind faith, God will reveal himself to everyone. But not in the form you keep insisting on.
You keep insisting on this being a tech site. Yet this is not exactly a tech topic now is it? So lay off the tech crap. You keep insisting we stick to the facts, yet the topic itself has the word "claims". Therefor if you want to stick to the "facts", you need to find a new topic to comment in.
It's funny... you did say goodbye... yet you keep posting... the article said "claims" - so if you disagree, BACK IT UP WITH FACTS!!
You call me close-minded, and tell me "the facts are out there"... well, guide me oh wise one! What are these facts? Where can I find them...
captaincranky
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With that being said, we must keep in mind that there was no one else around to paint "Adam & Eve", during their existence. Therefore, the fact they have bellybuttons, can easily be dismissed as an, "artists conception". Think about that. And yes, you can take all the time you like....
cliffordcooley
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That's already been posted.
Really? Was it the lies that amstech posted? Were they "in a church"? Or just "The facts are out there"... I haven't seen any facts posted by you on this thread...
For someone with over 9,000 posts, I'd have assumed you'd know better...
But that's NOT what science does.... Science is how we explain what happens in the world around us. Over the years, scientists collect data, take measurements, observe phenomena, etc, and use the material to understand how various things work, have worked, and will continue to work...
For example, gravity.... Scientists now know exactly how an object will fall - every time - to the zillionth of a meter.... If someone drops a penny in Peru, or throws a ball in Japan, if we have the measurements, we can predict exactly what will happen.
Now, assuming that there IS a god.... That's great.... God created this phenomenon... But it doesn't matter.... Unless this God decides to change the physical laws of the universe - which hasn't happened yet - our scientific methods remain unchanged. We continue observing, taking measurements, etc, and each piece of information gleaned furthers our understanding of how things work.
Will we ever know how EVERYTHING works? No.... But we will keep learning each and every day, not being so arrogant as to believe that we know it all...
Scorpionking20
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I'll do the same for Christianity. Right here...right now. There's plenty of evidence to show Christianity, in general, as made up. There's no reason to think the Christian God exists. There's no reason to think any miracles in the bible happened. There's lot's of reason to think all of Christianity was made up by people yearning for an understanding of the universe, and their place in it.
Next...please tell me why you think your' ideas of Christianity are correct, but not that of Islam, or any other religion? If Christianity is right, all others must be wrong. If Mormonism is right, your' worshipping wrong. If Islam is right, your' worshipping wrong. On what grounds do you deem your' religion right where all others are wrong? See the problem here? There's no logical argument you can make to support your' religion's claims on truth over any others, and vice versa. Because you (religious people...not just you) "feel" it's true. That's no reason to believe in anything at all. Stop trusting your' "gut." You should use your' brain.
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Raoul Duke
sorry, I deleted my previous post because I thought it was unclear.
You say that's not what science does, I said science follows the empirical method. When you followed up with what you think science is, you described well the empirical method. So I'm not sure what you mean when you say "But that's NOT what science does..."
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Raoul Duke
"no" is always a very strong term when making an argument. I'll use the standard class example. In Britain it was said "All Swans are white". Two problems with this, the main one is that to KNOW this you would have to have examined every Swan in existence. The seconds is for use in an argument, all it takes is a single example/reason and your argument goes up in smoke, much like when eventually someone discovered a black Swan.
The religions you mention are indeed exclusive, if you believe/claim one is true, then that rules out the other ones. BUT there are logical reasons to choose one over another and it requires heavy use of your brain, for example literary analysis (I don't think that is the term I wanted, but it is all I can think of at the moment, maybe textual analysis?). The religions in question all have histories/books which can be studied, compared, and choices made as to which one is credible. Problems of some of the texts might show one is internally inconsistent or there could be other problems. For example Jehovah Witness's use a translation of the New Testament that no reputable Greek scholar would touch with the proverbial 10 foot pole. Mormon's accept both the book of Mormon and the Bible as the word of God. If you accept the Bible as authentic, then that rules out the authenticity of the book of Mormon, and vice versa. Muslim's accept both the Old Testament and the Koran. You read, analyze etc, and decide.
I've often heard it said that on the surface religions are different, but deep down they are all the same. My studies have led me to think that on the surface religions are all quite similar, but deep down they are very, very different. Your mileage may vary.
cliffordcooley
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I had a comment deleted so my conversation is being suppressed. Say what you want I don't care.
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