Culture PayPal cancels plan to open North Carolina operations center in response to state's anti-LGBT law

Uncle Al

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You seem to have a difficult time separating the wheat from the chafe. Marrying same-sex couples vs interracial couples is not the same thing. Discriminating based on an unchangeable condition such as race, gender, or a disability is wrong, but discriminating based on behavior has merit and is prudent.

Another thing that is often glossed over. Grouping people from different societies will always bring conflict no matter how 'kum bai' yah' we want to be about it. A society built by Christians is not the same as a society built by Muslims. A society built in a democracy is not the same as a society built in communism. Discrimination does have it's place. While people can get along, it's usually not without sacrifice.
Appears you have problems reading and comprehending .... and do remember that the mind is like a parachute. It works best when it's OPEN.
 

Danny101

TS Guru
Appears you have problems reading and comprehending .... and do remember that the mind is like a parachute. It works best when it's OPEN.
I understand quite well. This idea that everyone from all walks of life are going to live together happily without even the slightest of ire, resentment, or conflict is never going to happen. Does that mean we can't be respectful? I'm saying nothing of the sort. But, it doesn't mean I'm going to agree and be best friends with somebody whom I believe is operating outside the norm. There are more than 100 countries in the world, and it's like that for a reason.
 
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Raoul Duke

Every person has the right to be treated with dignity and respect: uhm, no
Biggest strawman that has ever been put forth.
actually I had to go and didn't have time to write. -Point to be made is society has always judged it's citizen's and encoded it in laws and social mores. Saying every person has the right to be treated with dignity and respect is guaranteed to get universal applause, but it simply isn't so.
There aren't too many things that are black and white, unfortunately society's discussion of these kinds of things quickly devolves into that. Ethics are particularly tricky debates. They tend to become emotionally charged very quickly. Look at the above posts, many of those in favour resort to profanity, the intelligence of the person they disagree with is challenged (I have a PhD and do research, what is your education?). When I went to school that was called 'an appeal to authority' and noted as a fallacy in an argument. This person not only does not state what field his qualifications are in, or why they are relevant. The (mis)use of the past is also problematic. Group x did terrible things in the past, so today all they are and believe is total rubbish and discriminatory. The past is neither anything to long for 'the good old days' nor to be totally thrown out. History does have valuable lessons. Picture was essentially to 'stir the pot' before I had to go and hopefully stimulate some discussion.
 

Denarius12

TS Rookie
Congrats to Pay Pal for standing behind their personal beliefs and canceling plans for 400 new jobs in North Carolina based on N.C. 's penchant to "hide" behind religion to foster their prejudices. Ignorance continues in our "civilized" country. North Carolina insists on living in the 19th century. So be it but there is a price to pay for forcing your religious will on the population.

Corporations have a right to exercise their opinion just like 19th century legislatures do. Whats the saying about win a battle... lose a war?
 

DAOWAce

TS Booster
but as a Christian,
It's at that point I stop reading anything said by the person who said it.

As a person with a functional brain ("atheism" as you call it), I have a far higher moral and ethical standard than you*.

Still such a shame religion is so prominent in civilization even though we entered the digital age a few decades ago. I must say the same thing I do to every religious person: Read the old bible. If you're still religious after that; you* need mental help.

That said, good on PayPal. While I'm not part of the LBGT culture, I was absolutely disgusted to hear about this law being passed. Just goes to show how much we need to replace the people in power with younger folk who are living in present time instead of a century in the past. Too many of our laws, our false democracy even, is beyond archaic.

*you implied in the general sense; not you personally.
 
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Raoul Duke

As a person with a functional brain ("atheism"), I have a far higher moral and ethical standard than you*. *you implied in the general sense; not you personally.
I think you just demonstrated the converse of what you were trying to do.
with your higher ethical and moral standard, I would think you would be above stooping to insults and a logically fallacious generalism. Any statement claiming that you are better in any sense than all of another group means you must know everyone in said group, which you obviously can't and therefore don't.
 
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davislane1

I think you just demonstrated the converse of what you were trying to do.
with your higher ethical and moral standard, I would think you would be above stooping to insults and a logically fallacious generalism. Any statement claiming that you are better in any sense than all of another group means you must know everyone in said group, which you obviously can't and therefore don't.
This is a Krauss class atheist. Nothing you say can get him to dial down his superiority.

It's actually somewhat amusing. Earlier today I was discussing with my father the state of society, and atheism came up. He made the astute observation that, as has been amply demonstrated by our resident Kraussian warlord, the greatest fear of the ferverent atheist is the possibility of the existence of a morally superior being. This insecurity thus being one reason for their disdain for religion.

The point could not have been illustrated with any greater mastery:

It's at that point I stop reading anything said by the person who said it.

As a person with a functional brain ("atheism"), I have a far higher moral and ethical standard than you*.
Encore! Encore!
 
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Yynxs

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I find it interesting how not immediately deeply appreciating and embracing completely, the sheer greatness and sweetness and light of alternate lifestyles and gene expressions can immediately cause you to be labeled a bigot. No one is allowed to have feelings or thoughts different than than the PC police. I thought that kind of crap was limited to Fascism, Mutaween, and New York City.

This law is easily solveable to everyone's satisfaction. Have your declared gender identification printed on your driver's license or photo ID by the government. Use whatever bathroom fits that identification but you can't use the other one. If stopped by irate citizens protecting the privacy of their fellow stall users or, more chillingly, their mates, insist on calling a cop that can verify, because its on the government issued paper, that you're gender specific to that bathroom and that thought process.
 
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davislane1

I find it interesting how not immediately deeply appreciating and embracing completely, the sheer greatness and sweetness and light of alternate lifestyles and gene expressions can immediately cause you to be labeled a bigot. No one is allowed to have feelings or thoughts different than than the PC police. I thought that kind of crap was limited to Fascism, Mutaween, and New York City.

This law is easily solveable to everyone's satisfaction. Have your declared gender identification printed on your driver's license or photo ID by the government. Use whatever bathroom fits that identification but you can't use the other one. If stopped by irate citizens protecting the privacy of their fellow stall users or, more chillingly, their mates, insist on calling a cop that can verify, because its on the government issued paper, that you're gender specific to that bathroom and that thought process.
Too complicated.

Chromosome pairing goes on DL --> DL determines restroom use.

Solved.
 

Yynxs

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I find it interesting how not immediately deeply appreciating and embracing completely, the sheer greatness and sweetness and light of alternate lifestyles and gene expressions can immediately cause you to be labeled a bigot. No one is allowed to have feelings or thoughts different than than the PC police. I thought that kind of crap was limited to Fascism, Mutaween, and New York City.

This law is easily solveable to everyone's satisfaction. Have your declared gender identification printed on your driver's license or photo ID by the government. Use whatever bathroom fits that identification but you can't use the other one. If stopped by irate citizens protecting the privacy of their fellow stall users or, more chillingly, their mates, insist on calling a cop that can verify, because its on the government issued paper, that you're gender specific to that bathroom and that thought process.
Too complicated.

Chromosome pairing goes on DL --> DL determines restroom use.

Solved.
Unfortunately chromosome pairing isn't all there is to genetics anymore.

http://phys.org/news/2016-03-sex-baby-ancient-virus.html
Sex of a baby? Ancient virus makes the call

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/02/160218132241.htm
Stressed mouse dads give their offspring high blood sugar

http://www.livescience.com/41302-moms-bacteria-may-affect-baby-mouse-brain.html
Moms' (Gut) Bacteria May Affect Brain Development in Baby Mice

and the list goes on.

However the good news is we may be close to a vaccination that prevents gayism!
If you'll just mail your money order to...... /s
 

Yynxs

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but as a Christian,
As a person with a functional brain ("atheism"), I have a far higher moral and ethical standard than you*. .[/I]
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/religious.students.more.moral.than.atheists.or.agnostics.study/49315.htm

The study of 10,200 students and 250 teachers from 68 UK schools took place between February 2013 and June 2014 and is the largest of its kind. Researchers used surveys, moral dilemma tests and interviews.

The religious students scored higher on the moral dilemma tests and within the religious group, those who practised their religion scored more highly than those who did not. Girls also scored higher than boys when faced with moral dilemmas.

Students who attended faith schools achieved slightly, but statistically significantly, better moral dilemma scores than those going to non-faith schools.
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Yynxs

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In your complete disdain of religion I thought I might add a shred of doubt. I am a Christian. I believe in Christ's teaching and much of the history shown in the Bible although I don't follow all of its canons anymore than I believe halal or kosher is the most merciful way to slaughter animals for food. I believe in a very complex God who's seemingly revealed complexity and knowledge grows as my own and mankind's does.

As a for instance for a tenured professor type, if you were a god-like (or just present day knowledge) being working on a project to develop a more advanced free-willed human for some future project on a particular planet, what methods would you need convey and insure a long term growth and success strategy in a might-makes-right world to a rather ungrateful group of goatherders and, really, how would you go about it? What long term values, methods, strategies, etc. would you impart to them to use to ensure cohesion and longevity in the almost people you've chosen?

That question is based on an human understandable limited god working within either self-imposed or distinctly non-omnipotent limitations, but still a creature with god like knowledge thousands I of years ahead of the protohuman groups being worked with.

Move forward 5000 years after that project fruited, with a few setbacks due to competent warfare methods being set aside for verbal and scientific advancement and thus being overrun. What different values, methods, strategies, etc. should you use to ensure cohesion in the "people" you tossed 5000 years at. Let's say you messed with some genetics a couple thousand years back and used the result to enhance, emphasize, and edit the original rule set you managed to set the primitives on and added some new ones designed to foster cooperation among groups who were not genetically family. The rules/notes you added were designed to start your group working with others so that cooperation could begin to be shown to gain more than conquest and warfare. Some forward steps. Some backward steps. Eventually though, more forward.

Still a human understandable god with human understandable goals although a bit more vague. But as the human thinking gets more complex enough to ask what that goal could possibly be and do they really want to sacrifice everything for it, doubt creeps in among the masses. Planned doubt? or not?

For you, if you stick with the "human understandable" god you wish God was, you can stand up and question everything that was said to the goat herders, because you're clever and more informed than those primitives from 5000 years ago. And science is on your side as more and more of the secrets of the universe reveal complexities built on subltlies built on quantum randomness. Still seemingly discoverable though, if we only spend enough money and look in the right places.

The point of all this, while you revel in your informed atheism, is to repeat the question, If there was a god you could understand, what should that god have said to the goatherders 5000 years ago to get things to the way things are today?

Interestingly to me as a believer, is what should be said or shown to mankind or you to point further down the planned road not forcing but hoping that path will be taken? Remember free will was part of the original plan.
 
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mailpup

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Perhaps we can continue this discussion regarding religion either through PM or as a topic in The Lounge and get back on topic. Thank you.
 

DontTreadonMe

TS Member
As someone who was RAPED/ASSAULTED TWICE by gays (in restrooms!) between age 12-14, you can take your gender neutral, touchy-feely liberal claptrap and shove it where they tried to shove it! This just opens up a whole new avenue for perverts and pedophiles to have access to their preferred prey. It isn't about misguided boys and girls wanting to switch facilities to suit their mental illness. It is about protecting me and my children/grand children from exploitation by nefarious elements who already have too many other avenues of attack.

Liberalism is a mental disorder in and of itself! So, it is with a heavy heart that I now BOYCOTT PayPal by terminating my account which was probably one of the first hundred or so when they launched. I am from Charlotte although I have not lived there for 23 years, but my entire extended family is still there. If you want to try to ram your holier-than-thou sick liberal BS down my throat, then I have no more use for you!

Keep the mental illness/liberal foolishness behind YOUR closed doors, not in a public restroom I or my kin have to use....
 

nestorius

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Yep, that's a reason I would use to not open an operation center. If seeing two homosexuals making out offends you the welcome to progressive land.

Personally I think their conduct disgusts me but what the hell I'm in the majority so I just have to suck it up, excuse the pun!
 

DontTreadonMe

TS Member
I'm wondering how many "fake transgender perverts" can you cite that have lingered around the restrooms before? Can you cite even a single case of a transgender person being a rapist? I doubt it, usually they're the ones who were abused.
TWO, in my personal case! I was 12 and 14 at the time. Consider that this was in the early '70's as well. Speak for yourself, as I did not enjoy being raped and molested in either case.
 

MannerMauler

TS Addict
It's not the transgenders we're worried about, it's the sickos pretending to be transgender, the ordinance said all that was needed for a man to decide that he feels like being a woman and vice Versa.



No, it does not.


"Love the sinner, hate the sin." -St. Augustine.

I don't know about other christen faiths, but in the Roman Catholic Church, EVERYONE is welcomed, whether they're gay or not. I'm not going to quote scripture here as this isn't a debate with a presbyterian.

And before anyone ask (AKA other christens), we don't worship Mary, we honor her as the mother of God.

Upon further research, it appears some things were added at the last moment that wasn't all so good that slipped by.
 

exp1orer

TS Rookie
https://mobile.twitter.com/_michaelhughes1/media/grid?idx=19&tid=661562991461036032 how's this, go tell this dude to use the women's bathroom.

I find it distasteful that corporations are the only ones getting policy done anymore.

And that keeping women and children safe bullshit, name one instance of a actual trans person who abused kids. If you find one that was not made up on the spot, you have a shitty argument. More than 5 I would consider, you will not find any that are not fake.

Also stop acting like people have any control over how they are born. It didn't help you with skin color, it didn't help you with homosexuality, and it won't help you here.

Lastly, just to preempt you, I find neo progressives just as loathsome as neo conservatives.
You asked us to find one... How about the guy/girl that proposed the law in the first place and then stepped down once people discovered that he/she was a sex offender! Didn't have to look very far. Here's the info....

Sevearance-Turner was arrested in 1998, when he was 20, and charged in Cherokee County, S.C., with a “lewd act, committing or attempting a lewd act upon a child under 16.”

A 2000 story in the Spartanburg Herald-Journal said Sevearance-Turner had been a youth minister at a church in Gaffney. A jury there found him guilty of fondling a 15-year-old teenage church member while the boy slept.


And you cannot possibly understand why someone might not approve of this bill. You are so caught up in your cause that you can't see that an average mom or her daughter may not want to pull thier pants down in a restroom to perform a function if there is someone in there with a beard and a penis. You don't see it because you don't want to see it. You act like there is nothing to fear and that the fear these people feel is stupid, and yet the very person that proposed the pro transgender bathroom law was in fact a convicted sex offender. Sometimes you just have to stop and try to understand the other side instead of just calling them names.
 

Levi Sterling

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You asked us to find one... How about the guy/girl that proposed the law in the first place and then stepped down once people discovered that he/she was a sex offender! Didn't have to look very far. Here's the info....

Sevearance-Turner was arrested in 1998, when he was 20, and charged in Cherokee County, S.C., with a “lewd act, committing or attempting a lewd act upon a child under 16.”

A 2000 story in the Spartanburg Herald-Journal said Sevearance-Turner had been a youth minister at a church in Gaffney. A jury there found him guilty of fondling a 15-year-old teenage church member while the boy slept.


And you cannot possibly understand why someone might not approve of this bill. You are so caught up in your cause that you can't see that an average mom or her daughter may not want to pull thier pants down in a restroom to perform a function if there is someone in there with a beard and a penis. You don't see it because you don't want to see it. You act like there is nothing to fear and that the fear these people feel is stupid, and yet the very person that proposed the pro transgender bathroom law was in fact a convicted sex offender. Sometimes you just have to stop and try to understand the other side instead of just calling them names.
Citation needed
 

Danny101

TS Guru
PayPal's action is really no different than a baker's refusal to serve a gay couple. It's discrimination in the opposite direction. Except that PayPal will be lauded while the baker is dragged into court.
 

Levi Sterling

TS Booster
Is it really that difficult to verify a simple claim on Google?

Literally the very first result: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article64943682.html
So I read the article. It did not take long. Obviously You did not, They guy was the leader of the group yes. However you should note that while that makes him not the person that should be running that, He was not trans. I said Find some news story of a person who is actually trans or pretending to be Trans Going into bathrooms to abuse people. And then you would Have a Shitty Argument.
 

Yynxs

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I am somewhat nonplussed. I wrote an extensive reply complete with the math showing that, barring some genetic anomaly in the overall North Carolina population, there are at most 80 transgender males in the progress phase (ie: making the preparations and surgery part) of physical change in the 5 million (give or take) males in North Carolina (based on an average of the US). These 80 people would be the only ones discomfited by the new law because they are a work in progress.

The post was pulled although it was read at least once. Perhaps the fact that I mentioned and linked a help place for homeless female veterans (Jubilee House, Fayetteville) that went broke in March 2015 as deserving more sympathy than people that are uncomfortable. I'm a vet. My father was an alcoholic vet. I tend to not have much sympathy for male vets because I figure they can get up an do stuff to get by. Female vets however, homeless with children? Yeah. I'm thinking I care more about them than gender identity "uncomfortable" men or women.
 
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