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Playing as Oddjob in GoldenEye 007 was "definitely cheating," creators confirm

By Shawn Knight · 9 replies
Aug 23, 2018
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  1. For much of the '90s, multiplayer gaming on consoles was done locally (after all, that’s what the neighborhood kids were good for). Friendly disputes were settled in titles like NBA Jam, Mortal Kombat and GoldenEye 007 – no need to bring outsiders into the equation.

    Competitive gameplay often sparked its own set of debates, like whether or not playing as Oddjob in the aforementioned GoldenEye constituted cheating.

    Some argued that because he was readily available in the character selection menu without activating any cheat codes, he must be fair game. Others contended that his short stature, which made him much more difficult to target, offered a clear advantage. It wasn’t uncommon for gamers to implement house rules to ban him from play.

    But, was playing as Oddjob really cheating?

    According to the game’s lead environment artist Karl Hilton and gameplay and engine programmer Mark Edmonds, he absolutely was a cheat character.

    In a recent interview with Mel Magazine, Hilton and Edmonds shared the following insights on the subject:

    Hilton: We all thought it was kind of cheating when we were play-testing with Oddjob, but it was too much fun to take out and there was no impetus from any of us to change it. It’s clearly become part of the culture and folklore of the game — I noticed playing GoldenEye as Oddjob was mentioned in Ready Player One, so ultimately, I think it’s fine.

    Edmonds: It’s definitely cheating to play as Oddjob! But that can just add to the fun when you’re all sitting there next to each other and berating/poking/hitting the person who chooses him. Personally I like to pick Jaws and then beat the person with Oddjob just to show them! We could have put something in to stop this blatant cheating, but why not just let players decide on their own rules?

    Well, that settles it.

    GoldenEye 007 fans should certainly take the time to read the entire interview over on Mel Magazine as it offers a wealth of insight and insider knowledge regarding the game’s development.

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  2. OutlawCecil

    OutlawCecil TS Guru Posts: 679   +495

    *sigh* I hate it when people don't understand the terms they use. There is a difference between a "cheat" and having an "unfair advantage". If everybody has access and can pick him with no effort or special knowledge, it's not a cheat.

    my point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_in_video_games
  3. j05hh

    j05hh TS Addict Posts: 184   +55

    No cheat just an advantage. Funny playing as him with speed mode turned on. ( It was called that right?)
    TheBigT42 likes this.
  4. ZackL04

    ZackL04 TS Guru Posts: 531   +260

    Was it turbo mode?
  5. fadingfool

    fadingfool TS Booster Posts: 100   +95

    Unfair yes - not technically cheating but those that picked odd-job were frowned upon. No glory from winning with odd-job.
    TheBigT42 likes this.
  6. Nightfire

    Nightfire TS Addict Posts: 238   +144

    I was happy to let the scrubs, such as my older brother, play as Oddjob. I would destroy them all with General Ourumov. I swear, he was just more accurate and intimidating.

    Now, proximity mines - that caused some fights!
  7. Raytrace3D

    Raytrace3D TS Addict Posts: 110   +109

    Path to Victory:
    Step 1: Choose "Oddjob".
    Step 2: Choose "Slappers only".
    Step 3: Enjoy Victory.
  8. j05hh

    j05hh TS Addict Posts: 184   +55

    yes it was! I remember using game shark with golden eye. Fun times.
    Dimitrios likes this.
  9. ZackL04

    ZackL04 TS Guru Posts: 531   +260

    License to kill was the only way to play
    j05hh likes this.
  10. Sausagemeat

    Sausagemeat TS Maniac Posts: 409   +205

    Definitely more unfair using Oddjob in Goldeneye than it was to use Eddy Gordo in Tekken 3!

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