Radeon RX 5700 XT vs. GeForce RTX 2060 Super: 2020 Update

[neeyik]

@Burty117 - in some tests, the 5700 XT does hold against a 1080 Ti:

AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT and RX 5700 Review

AMD's brand new Navi 7nm GPUs are significantly smaller than previous Vega 56 and 64 parts, packing fewer transistors on a much smaller package, so we expect...

www.techspot.com

So it's possible he made the purchase based on information such as this.

Edit: if you go through Steve's test data, the overall picture between the RX 5700 XT and GTX 1080 Ti is much clearer:

 

[neeyik]

Aaannnddd I forgot that Steve has already directly done this, and for an enormous pile of games (which must have taken ages to do):

How Does the GTX 1080 Ti Stack Up in 2019?

This is a straightforward comparison pitting the previous generation GeForce flagship, the GTX 1080 Ti head to head against the RTX 2070 Super and RX 5700 XT...

www.techspot.com

 

[Burty117]

Yeah so you're just kinda proving my point more but now I look back at his comments, he must be trolling. He's complaining a slower GPU is slower and I can't find anything on the internet from any reputable and non-reputable sources that recommend downgrading the 1080Ti to a 5700XT.

Basically, I bit and he got me good

 

[Jimichan]

I used to love Radeon graphics cards back in the 4000 series days. I still have a 4870 but couldn't find a driver for Windows 10. I never really had any luck with Nvidia. A couple years ago I got a 1060 and it was never really right. I just had to replace it and decided to go with the 2060 super because of all the driver issues with the 5700xt. I got a good price, $360, but was shocked at the low frame rates in Borderlands 3. I really wish I could have trusted AMD!

 

[ZorracK]

My mistake! I didnt read all the reviews on the card, just a few!
now I'm pleased with my 1080ti
I didnt lose any money in this matter! just to calm my head I 've done this gimmick!
Now I'm 100% sure my 1080ti with a little OC its a solid card!

 

[redgarl]

Steve, DLSS doesn't matter, all games are going to be developed for the new consoles anyway. DLSS will ends up being a Gamework feature.

 

[m3tavision]

Yeah so you're just kinda proving my point more but now I look back at his comments, he must be trolling. He's complaining a slower GPU is slower and I can't find anything on the internet from any reputable and non-reputable sources that recommend downgrading the 1080Ti to a 5700XT.

Basically, I bit and he got me good

A 1080ti to 5700xt is more like a side-grade. (rdna1/pascal)

But there are no new 1080ti's, they are used and if you want new mid-grade performance, then the $369 5700xt is the price/performance king.

 

[krizby]

Lol, yeah keep on recommending 5700XT Steve, since you are oblivious to actually playing games may I point out the plethora of complains about 5700XT performance issues with COD Warzone. I won't bother with specific anecdotal evidence, just google "5700XT Warzone reddit" and the first 3 pages are filled with complains date back to 3 months ago up until now. Jup, buy a 5700XT, save some bucks, sit back and benchmark old games instead of playing new games.

Yeah COD Warzone is just one game, but it is kind of a big deal atm, just like how PUBG came to be. Given the track record of AMD driver team and you still have the confidence recommending 5700XT, I guess it's a rift between hardware reviewers vs actual gamers now...

Just make a new meme for 5700XT buyers

 

[Lew Zealand]

Lol yeah keep on recommending 5700XT Steve, since you are oblivious to actually playing games may I point out the plethora of complains about 5700XT performance issues with COD Warzone. I won't bother with specific anecdotal evidence, just google "5700XT Warzone reddit" and the first 3 pages are filled with complains date back to 3 months ago up until now. Jup, buy a 5700XT, save some bucks, sit back and benchmark old games instead of playing new games.
Yeah COD Warzone is just one game, but it is kind of a big deal atm, just like how PUBG came to be.
Given the track record of AMD driver team and you still have the confidence recommending 5700XT, I guess it's a rift between hardware reviewers vs actual gamers now...
Just make a new meme for 5700XT buyers

Have you missed where Steve and his family all game with 5700XTs? And Tim does as well. You're ignoring where he's said that multiple times. He has the experience using them, do you?

How many 5700XT computers do you game with?

 

[wizardB]

Lol yeah keep on recommending 5700XT Steve, since you are oblivious to actually playing games may I point out the plethora of complains about 5700XT performance issues with COD Warzone. I won't bother with specific anecdotal evidence, just google "5700XT Warzone reddit" and the first 3 pages are filled with complains date back to 3 months ago up until now. Jup, buy a 5700XT, save some bucks, sit back and benchmark old games instead of playing new games.
Yeah COD Warzone is just one game, but it is kind of a big deal atm, just like how PUBG came to be.
Given the track record of AMD driver team and you still have the confidence recommending 5700XT, I guess it's a rift between hardware reviewers vs actual gamers now...
Just make a new meme for 5700XT buyers

At least an AMD driver has never sent their cards up in smoke and fire.

 

[Julio Franco]

I thought it will be an upgrade!
but no!

I'm late to point this out, but in our revisit to the GTX 1080 Ti we pit it precisely against the 5700 XT and RTX 2070 Super in 39 games.

How Does the GTX 1080 Ti Stack Up in 2019?

This is a straightforward comparison pitting the previous generation GeForce flagship, the GTX 1080 Ti head to head against the RTX 2070 Super and RX 5700 XT...

www.techspot.com

Remember also the 1080 Ti was a flagship GPU, the fastest you could get at launch while the 5700 XT and 2070 are not.

 

[krizby]

Have you missed where Steve and his family all game with 5700XTs? And Tim does as well. You're ignoring where he's said that multiple times. He has the experience using them, do you?

How many 5700XT computers do you game with?

I stay tf away 5700XT knowing that I would have some downtime due to drivers issue down the line. Unlike some people I rather value reliability over couple of bucks.
Just bought a new PC for my nephew to play Warzone (R5 3600 and 2060 Super), just like everyone reported, Ryzen is still picky about RAM, every time after I unplug the power, the system would not post with 3200MHz Hynix RAM. Funny enough I was googling for clue and the issue with 5700XT and Warzone show up in Reddit.

And yeah took me 5 min to overclock the Gigabyte Aorus 2060 Super to stock 2070 Super performance, I will do some 2060 Super stock vs overclock benchmarks in the next couple of days. This 2060 Super model has a max TDP of 300W vs the 185W of the Gaming X that Steve uses lol.

At least an AMD driver has never sent their cards up in smoke and fire.

AMD driver killing GPUs
Never ? I had the experience first hand when AMD driver killed my R9 290

 

[Evernessince]

Lol, yeah keep on recommending 5700XT Steve, since you are oblivious to actually playing games may I point out the plethora of complains about 5700XT performance issues with COD Warzone. I won't bother with specific anecdotal evidence, just google "5700XT Warzone reddit" and the first 3 pages are filled with complains date back to 3 months ago up until now. Jup, buy a 5700XT, save some bucks, sit back and benchmark old games instead of playing new games.

Yeah COD Warzone is just one game, but it is kind of a big deal atm, just like how PUBG came to be. Given the track record of AMD driver team and you still have the confidence recommending 5700XT, I guess it's a rift between hardware reviewers vs actual gamers now...

Just make a new meme for 5700XT buyers

The picture is ironic. Not only do the people who buy based on FPS per dollar have much more money, they also aren't cartman (who is a terrible human being). If your point was to self own, well done.

Speaking of Warzone, I'm getting like 82 FPS on that game with my 1080 Ti at 1440p medium settings. If you look over forum posts, the game appears to have issues regardless of card vendor.

I stay tf away 5700XT knowing that I would have some downtime due to drivers issue down the line. Unlike some people I rather value reliability over couple of bucks.
Just bought a new PC for my nephew to play Warzone (R5 3600 and 2060 Super), just like everyone reported, Ryzen is still picky about RAM, every time after I unplug the power, the system would not post with 3200MHz Hynix RAM. Funny enough I was googling for clue and the issue with 5700XT and Warzone show up in Reddit.

And yeah took me 5 min to overclock the Gigabyte Aorus 2060 Super to stock 2070 Super performance, I will do some 2060 Super stock vs overclock benchmark in the next couple of days.


AMD driver killing GPUs
Never ? I had the experience first hand when AMD driver killed my R9 290

Stay on topic. If you want to talk about your nephew's build do so in a forum post.

FYI the Ryzen 3000 series is not picky with RAM. Reviews back that up.

 

[krizby]

The picture is ironic. Not only do the people who buy based on FPS per dollar have much more money, they also aren't cartman (who is a terrible human being). If your point was to self own, well done.

Speaking of Warzone, I'm getting like 82 FPS on that game with my 1080 Ti at 1440p medium settings. If you look over forum posts, the game appears to have issues regardless of card vendor.

Stay on topic. If you want to talk about your nephew's build do so in a forum post.

FYI the Ryzen 3000 series is not picky with RAM. Reviews back that up.

The new system I built is mine, I just lend it out to my nephew when I see fit, with a 2060 Super in it would it be more appropriate if I post in a in 2060 Super vs 5700XT article (vs someone posting 1080 Ti's numbers). Btw I get 80+fps in Warzone at 1440p High settings with the 2060 Super, absolutely no hiccup.

I just took 2 Dimm from my main rig (4x8GB Samsung B-die kit), now the R5 3600 is chugging along nicely. Thanks for pointing out reviews vs actual user experience buddy.

Ps: South Park is after all a social satire show that constantly make fun of everyone, here is Cartman making fun of a certain ethnic group that value money above all else.

Just recorded some short Warzone clip on the 2060 Super

 

[Shadowboxer]

You should avoid anything Radeon branded like the plague. The drivers are STILL not fixed. We need to boycott their products until this has been addressed.

I’m incredibly disappointed that Techspot has reported that AMD are on top of the issue when in fact nothing has changed. Radeon drivers are prone to throwing you a black screen mid game with no warning and only resolved with a reboot, this has not gone away. There are literally still hundreds of thousands of reports still on AMDs forums.

Do NOT buy Radeon unless you want a terrible experience.

 

[Peter Farkas]

In my country the 5700XT is 9-10% percent more expensive than a 2060 super (both cheapest base models). I play in 1440p where the AMD chip is 8% faster.
I personally prefer the Geforce experience software to Adrenalin much more. Both supports freesync without issues on my 32" inch 75Hz IPS monitor.
Therefore considering all the above I would go with a 2060 SUPER.

 

[Aryassen]

Only ingame benchmark guys at 2k res on Shadow of tomb raider, AC Odyssey, Ghost Recon Breakpoint 5700xt is fall behind 1080ti

You are most probably right, but I can't see why it is relevant. The 1080ti is a different league altogether: it is a tier above the the likes of 2060S/2070/5700XT, but it also costs about twice as much (while being"only" 20% faster overall) than the 5700XT.

So, with all due respect, how is your observation relevant with regards to how the 5700XT measures up to the 2060 Super?

 

[ZorracK]

In my country I can buy 1080ti as low as 350$ and 5700xt at 400$ so whats the problem?

 

[Aryassen]

In my country I can buy 1080ti as low as 350$ and 5700xt at 400$ so whats the problem?

Wow, that is a great price! If they ship to the UK, sign me up!
(also, I wonder, if the 1080ti is so cheap, how much is the 2060super there?)

 

[ZorracK]

1080ti it's used not new and 5700xt reference at that price
2060 super is 430-450 Euro

 

[Alfatawi Mendel]

I stay tf away 5700XT knowing that I would have some downtime due to drivers issue down the line. Unlike some people I rather value reliability over couple of bucks.
Just bought a new PC for my nephew to play Warzone (R5 3600 and 2060 Super), just like everyone reported, Ryzen is still picky about RAM, every time after I unplug the power, the system would not post with 3200MHz Hynix RAM. Funny enough I was googling for clue and the issue with 5700XT and Warzone show up in Reddit.

And yeah took me 5 min to overclock the Gigabyte Aorus 2060 Super to stock 2070 Super performance, I will do some 2060 Super stock vs overclock benchmarks in the next couple of days. This 2060 Super model has a max TDP of 300W vs the 185W of the Gaming X that Steve uses lol.


AMD driver killing GPUs
Never ? I had the experience first hand when AMD driver killed my R9 290

Weird how all the hundreds of reviews across all of the tech sites didn't complain about AMD driver issues with the 5700xt. Something fishy going on.....

 

[krizby]

Weird how all the hundreds of reviews across all of the tech sites didn't complain about AMD driver issues with the 5700xt. Something fishy going on.....

How many games do reviewers actually benchmark vs all the games that people actually play ? probably less than 1% of them.
Looking around reviewers usually have crappy game that no one play like Strange Brigade, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, For Honor, etc...
So yeah reviewers are so trustworthy when it come to actual user experience. Check how many complains AMD Help on reddit receive every day about 5700/5700XT, that should paint a more accurate picture about user experience.
And btw Gamersnexus, Tech Deals and the most famous AdoredTV already complained about AMD drivers before Techspot did its user poll...

 

[Lew Zealand]

AMD fixed the problems for the majority of people after that poll. So it's a far smaller issue.

 

[Evernessince]

How many games do reviewers actually benchmark vs all the games that people actually play ? probably less than 1% of them.
Looking around reviewers usually have crappy game that no one play like Strange Brigade, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, For Honor, etc...
So yeah reviewers are so trustworthy when it come to actual user experience. Check how many complains AMD Help on reddit receive every day about 5700/5700XT, that should paint a more accurate picture about user experience.
And btw Gamersnexus, Tech Deals and the most famous AdoredTV already complained about AMD drivers before Techspot did its user poll...

A statement based on supposition. Even if Steve was the only reviewer who actually uses a Navi class GPU day to day, that would still be greater than 1% of all reviewers. I doubt Steve is the only reviewer who uses a Navi GPU.

I don't think you have any ground to stand on when your counter to professional reviewers are your observation of subreddits. Given your pre-dispostion against AMD, you cannot honestly say your aren't suffering from pre-disposition bias.

 

[krizby]

A statement based on supposition. Even if Steve was the only reviewer who actually uses a Navi class GPU day to day, that would still be greater than 1% of all reviewers. I doubt Steve is the only reviewer who uses a Navi GPU.

I don't think you have any ground to stand on when your counter to professional reviewers are your observation of subreddits. Given your pre-dispostion against AMD, you cannot honestly say your aren't suffering from pre-disposition bias.

Yeah sure just lick it up "professional" reviews while disregarding actual user reviews ain't cha. Rottentomatoes must be your favorite movie review site isn't it (oh wait they messed with the user review score also).

In case you didn't know, AdoredTV made his famous clip citing lot of user complains on reddit too, the complains are still going on, AMD driver stability is still pretty much a work in progress.

Well I for once questioning the validity of benching useless game (low players count) like Strange Brigade, Deus Ex, For Honor, etc... in spite of popular games that run like turd on AMD hardware like GTA V, Ark: Survival Evolved, Rust, Arma 3, etc...Steve probably doesn't want to disappoint AMD fans too much.

And yeah do you even have a 5700XT ? Last I check you had to use a 2 month old driver with your RX580, which you probably don't use to play games. SO yeah using GPU daily =/ playing games with it.

Btw I have no bias against AMD, I do have a problem with the lack of innovation and incompetent that is RTG, same with Intel. If I didn't have a hard tube custom water cooling solution I would have replaced my 8700K with the 3960X.