RTX 2060 vs GTX 1160: Ten new leaks that suggest Nvidia will dominate the mid-range

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Read this update: The GeForce RTX 2060 is now official, "more powerful than a 1070 Ti" and only $349

The GeForce RTX 2060 is set to become the cheapest ray tracing enabled card, and it’s expected to perform at 1070 levels and be priced somewhere in-between the 1060 and 1070 price brackets. The GTX 1160, on the other hand, is for gamers that don’t want to waste money on the dubious value of ray tracing and simply want the best value they can get. It will allegedly come with a different die with no raytracing cores and slightly less CUDA cores than the 2060, with pricing that would match today's 1060.

Possibly hoping no one would notice because it was Christmas, Gigabyte registered a whopping 39 different models of the 2060 with the Eurasian Economic Commission this week. First spotted by Komachi, the registration shows three different tiers of 2060 differentiated by the amount of VRAM they have: 3GB, 4GB and 6GB. Each of the memory tiers are divided by the type of memory, the older and cheaper GDDR5X or the faster GDDR6, and then each of those are divided by cooler type and PCB design.

If the memory and cooler are the only variables between the cards, performance variation should be limited to 10-15%. There’s no pricing information yet, nor which models could come to which regions, or if Gigabyte will manufacture them at all. It isn’t uncommon for companies to register designs that don’t end up hitting stores. Images of one model was leaked to VideoCardz a fortnight ago, and it shows a pretty standard design and cooling solution.

More recently they posted images of the Founder’s Edition version of the card, which features the exact same design as the 2070, suggesting that the 2060 is a trimmed-down RTX 2070. Separate promotional images leaked around seem to confirm the RTX branding and design.

A month ago, Tom’s Hardware noticed the RTX 2060 had been entered into the Final Fantasy XV benchmark database, where it performed 30% better than the 1060 and about 6% worse than the 1070. That benchmark was at 4K, however, giving the 1070 an advantage because it has more VRAM. Yesterday, the GPU was also seen in the Ashes of the Singularity benchmark database, where it once again achieved 1070-like performance with 49 fps on the 1440p “crazy” setting.

Despite three different leaks claiming to know the specs, they’re still quite nebulous. Possibly the most reliable is a Geekbench entry for an unidentified laptop, which says RTX 2060 GPU has 6GB of RAM, 30 compute units and a boost clock of 1200Mhz. On the other Turing cards, each compute unit corresponded with 64 CUDA cores, 8 tensor cores and one ray tracing core, giving the 2060 1920 cores, 240 tensor cores and 30 ray tracing cores.

For comparison, the desktop RTX 2070 has 2304 CUDA cores, 288 tensor cores and 36 ray tracing cores. The 2060 could certainly suffer in ray tracing-based titles, given that the RTX 2070 only manages 60 fps with ray tracing on low in many instances in Battlefield V running at 1080p.

According to 3Dmark entries, the base clock of the 2060 laptop will be 975Mhz, while the Max-Q variant will be running at 960Mhz – both of which are substantially lower than the 1100Mhz or so the 1070 Max-Q operates at. The memory speed, meanwhile, drops from 1750Mhz to 1500Mhz when going Max-Q.

Taiwanese laptop manufacturer CJScope accidentally revealed on a product page (which has since been taken down) that the mobile 2060 can boost to as much as 1620Mhz and have a base clock of 1320Mhz when the power limit is less enforced. That laptop, where the purported 2060 was listed in, carried a full 95W desktop processor and weighed nearly 4kg, so it is a decent indication of what desktop speeds might be like. Confusingly, however, it lists the core count as 1536, which is only 2% higher than the 1060.

As for the GTX 1160, only two leaks substantiate its existence. The first is from leaker BullsLab Jay, who told VideoCardz that that the 1160 would be based on the TU116 core rather than the TU106 that the 2060 is meant to use. The second is basically a hard confirmation from a Lenovo product page, that lists the 1160 as coming in a new laptop model in 3GB and 6GB configurations. Both leaks agree that the card will be launched somewhere between January 8 (the first day of CES) and the 15th of that same month.

Also worth noting are the rumored GTX 1660 and 1660 Ti GPUs, although information about those is too scarce at the moment, so don’t go placing any bets.

With all these rumors flying around, it won't be long before it's all revealed. Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang is set to take the stage at CES 2019 on January 6, at the MGM Conference Center in Las Vegas at 8 pm Pacific Time (10pm ET, 4AM +1 GMT).

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R00sT3R

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Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang is set to take the stage at CES 2019 on January 6, at the MGM Conference Center in Las Vegas at 8 pm Pacific Time (10pm ET, 4AM +1 GMT).
Oh great, whenever that idi0t gets on stage to announce something, it consists of 2hrs 55mins of nothing but snake oil salesman double speak and about 5 minutes of actual content. Its what the 'Fast Forward' button was invented for.
 

noel24

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I admit I made a mistake when I said some time ago that nVidia will run out of numbers if They're going to price their xx50, xx60, xx70 xx80 series higher and higher. It's genius actually: They will create series within a series, like dd4 1030 within a 1030. Of course first cards send to reviewers will be those beefed up, 6GB DDR6. First online reviews usually are the ones to stay high in Google search results, and, unlike Steve Walton, most reviewers don't care to update their initial reviews with warnings when corpos screw with Us - article is out, advertisers paid, carry on!
Anyway, I take bets that a new cards will take price range of 1070, so replacement for 3 year old card will be similarly priced card, only with crippled memory subsystem.
Genius, indeed genius!
 
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Clamyboy74

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Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang is set to take the stage at CES 2019 on January 6, at the MGM Conference Center in Las Vegas at 8 pm Pacific Time (10pm ET, 4AM +1 GMT).
Oh great, whenever that idi0t gets on stage to announce something, it consists of 2hrs 55mins of nothing but snake oil salesman double speak and about 5 minutes of actual content. Its what the 'Fast Forward' button was invented for.
"It just works!"
 
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cliffordcooley

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I would like to think that the 1160 says no one will be interested in the 2060. Those that are not interested in Ray Tracing will buy the 1160. Those that are interested in Ray Tracing will opt in buying at least the 2070.
 
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Sausagemeat

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**Original quote from Evernessince’s post quoting Fluffmeisters post**; “Shouldn't to be hard to put the crappy RX 590 to bed, damn that thing sucks down the juice!”

“Given how the 20xx series is also power hungry and not much improvement in the way of raw performance, I wouldn't expect much.” **End Quote**
You are aware that a 590 uses more power under load than a 2070 yet performs more than 50% slower right?

2070 - 197w: https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_rtx_2070_gaming_z_review,7.html

RX 590 - 215w:
https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/radeon_rx_590_powercolor_red_devil_review,6.html

Which is what happens when you just overclock the balls out of an old chip rather than giving consumers new technology.
 
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Nocturne

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Honestly, I'll wait to see Navi 7nm double/triple patterning lithography and the actual numbers before seeing if we can call this a war or not, because it may be a landslide depending if rumors suggest that the 590 is being replaced by a card with no extra power connector and is the base card in the line, NVidia may have a bad year on their hands in the until they use 7nm, but they may be holding out for UVL processing which will put them behind on node experience, either way 2019 2020 I'm grabbing popcorn.
 
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hahahanoobs

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6 card variations = 40 SKU's from a single vendor....
Anyone that thinks this is a good thing is high af. And not a good high.

Poor Isaiah....

"For quite some time now gamers looking for mid-range solutions have only had a few simple options until Nvidia decided to complicate things ten fold."
*fixed*

Gamers are going to have to be techies just to tell the difference. Not everyone is a techie FFS. Think!
 
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Sausagemeat

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6 card variations = 40 SKU's from a single vendor....
Anyone that thinks this is a good thing is high af. And not a good high.

Poor Isaiah....

"For quite some time now gamers looking for mid-range solutions have only had a few simple options until Nvidia decided to complicate things ten fold."
*fixed*

Gamers are going to have to be techies just to tell the difference. Not everyone is a techie FFS. Think!
I think it’s a good thing. I’m not an ***** and actually research products before I buy them. If Nvidia are more competitive with more variations then Il find that out and buy that product. Hence why I’m here.

Anyone who goes out and spends $350+ on a component for their computer without doing some research deserves everything they get. This is why I don’t personally have too much of an issue with all these variations, in fact, it often means we just get more choice. All manufacturers do it. How many variations and naming schemes have there been of Polaris now? 480 4GB/480 8GB/580/580X/580 2048/590. And we have always had aftermarket cards pop up with different configurations and performance.

It’s pretty basic advice to give someone to research any product and it’s spec before buying it.
 

hahahanoobs

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I think it’s a good thing. I’m not an ***** and actually research products before I buy them. If Nvidia are more competitive with more variations then Il find that out and buy that product. Hence why I’m here.

Anyone who goes out and spends $350+ on a component for their computer without doing some research deserves everything they get. This is why I don’t personally have too much of an issue with all these variations, in fact, it often means we just get more choice. All manufacturers do it. How many variations and naming schemes have there been of Polaris now? 480 4GB/480 8GB/580/580X/580 2048/590. And we have always had aftermarket cards pop up with different configurations and performance.

It’s pretty basic advice to give someone to research any product and it’s spec before buying it.
Average consumers, the majority, don't do that. You also have to think of the vendors. That many SKU's is expensive and hard to keep track of. This news broke a couple days ago. Maybe you should look online for more detailed articles and videos done by people that know the industry more than this writer.
 
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redgarl

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6 card variations = 40 SKU's from a single vendor....
Anyone that thinks this is a good thing is high af. And not a good high.

Poor Isaiah....

"For quite some time now gamers looking for mid-range solutions have only had a few simple options until Nvidia decided to complicate things ten fold."
*fixed*

Gamers are going to have to be techies just to tell the difference. Not everyone is a techie FFS. Think!
I think it’s a good thing. I’m not an ***** and actually research products before I buy them. If Nvidia are more competitive with more variations then Il find that out and buy that product. Hence why I’m here.
Ask Ford if they think making a car for all segment based on the same frame was profitable...

To answer the question simply, it wasn't, on the contrary, it was not profitable.

This whole thing is going to bite Nvidia in the ***.
 
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Evernessince

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**Original quote from Evernessince’s post quoting Fluffmeisters post**; “Shouldn't to be hard to put the crappy RX 590 to bed, damn that thing sucks down the juice!”

“Given how the 20xx series is also power hungry and not much improvement in the way of raw performance, I wouldn't expect much.” **End Quote**
You are aware that a 590 uses more power under load than a 2070 yet performs more than 50% slower right?

2070 - 197w: https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_rtx_2070_gaming_z_review,7.html

RX 590 - 215w:
https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/radeon_rx_590_powercolor_red_devil_review,6.html

Which is what happens when you just overclock the balls out of an old chip rather than giving consumers new technology.
I wasn't comparing the GTX 2070 to the RX 590, I was comparing it to previous generation Nvidia cards. I know the RX 590 consumes a lot, doesn't change the fact that the 20xx series is more power hungry then last gen cards. The GTX 1070 consumes 161w for example so any performance gains Nvidia got with the 2070 came at an equivalent power consumption increase.
 
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