RTX 2060 vs GTX 1160: Ten new leaks that suggest Nvidia will dominate the mid-range

[Mr Majestyk]

Now when is the 1170, 1180 and 1180 Ti coming along? Not all interested in ray tracing at this stage, but with next gen when titles are abundant and we have at least doubled current gen's RTX performance then I'll be more than happy to jump aboard.

 

[Charles Olson]

Since the GTX 1060 here are overpriced I'm guessing that the 1160 and/or 2060 will not compete against AMD in prices ! So I don't know how they will sell a lot of them unless they price them competitively ! Here they are priced a little lower than the RX 590 but quite a bit higher than a RX 580 with 8 gb so unless the offer quite a performance boost or a lower cost then most will stay away and either get a RX 580 or buy a used video card !

 

[Sausagemeat]

Or support competition and get RX570 - RX580 which is also wayyy faster.....

If you truly support competition you buy the card that’s best for you. If you choose to buy a lesser performing card because the company that makes them isn’t doing so well you’re technically supporting the opposite of competition, you are ensuring that the companies who make weaker products can get away with it.

If the 1160 offers better bang for the buck than the 590 then AMD deserve to lose market share and money.

 

[OneDayBefore]

Or support competition and get RX570 - RX580 which is also wayyy faster.....

If you truly support competition you buy the card that’s best for you. If you choose to buy a lesser performing card because the company that makes them isn’t doing so well you’re technically supporting the opposite of competition, you are ensuring that the companies who make weaker products can get away with it.

If the 1160 offers better bang for the buck than the 590 then AMD deserve to lose market share and money.

I like this sentiment. But if everyone thought like that, we would be in trouble.

 

[Cycloid Torus]

So many choices, so many SKUs, so many benchmarks.....

Seems it will be a welter - is this the manufacturers' reaction to the loss of the crypto-currency crazies?

I still think there are a lot of good gently used 1060s and 580s which will be looking for a home. Other than eBay, where should we keep watch?

 

[i3kingwizardop]

Can we get an 1180 Ti for $750 like normal ****ing people? TIA.

 

[RealNeil]

"Nvidia is preparing for war"
yes, war on your wallet and they are not adhering to the Geneva Convention

It's more like they're throwing anything and everything at the wall to see what sticks.

Hobbling SLI on mid-range cards was the game changer for me.
Fortunately, it's still possible to Crossfire mid-range AMD cards for the performance boost, so NVIDIA's 'change the world' tactics don't mean much.

In a month we'll have an idea what AMD's new stuff will be like. That will help us to know how to buy better.

 

[Jimster480]

Title is misleading.
Nvidia dominate the midrange?

From what I see it only looks like they are planning on flooding the midrange with convoluted products.

 

[Jimster480]

So many choices, so many SKUs, so many benchmarks.....

Seems it will be a welter - is this the manufacturers' reaction to the loss of the crypto-currency crazies?

I still think there are a lot of good gently used 1060s and 580s which will be looking for a home. Other than eBay, where should we keep watch?

So true!
The average person needs nothing more than a 570, nevermind a 580 / 1060.
If you play titles in 1080p on a normal monitor, all of the above GPU's are more than fine for 99% of titles getting 60+fps.

 

[TechCat]

When we talk smack about a product like the 590 we should back it up with evidence here is a 590 OCd to 1670 and it hits 185 max which is spec for the 580.
590, 580 8GB, 570 4GB, 480 8GB, 970, 1060 6GB ALL OCed i7-6700k 4.6GHz FPS test 1080p watts temps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiaUjaEtSJQ
1080/1440 gameplay with watts and temps Sapphire nitro+ SE OC 590
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_lmt1W5XhY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY4PmH5C1eA
Battlefield 5 RX 590 OC i7 6700k 4.7GHz FPS benchmark. 1080p Temps watts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk0oLZHQt5A
Battlefield V RX 590 (Multiplayer) 1080p Ultra settings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk0oLZHQt5A
Darksiders III RX 590 OC | 1080p EPIC / HIGH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kor_8RFotUc
Battlefield 1 RX 590 OC (Multiplayer) 1080p Ultra preset
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a96vyIaaeZ0

 

[Evernessince]

So many choices, so many SKUs, so many benchmarks.....

Seems it will be a welter - is this the manufacturers' reaction to the loss of the crypto-currency crazies?

I still think there are a lot of good gently used 1060s and 580s which will be looking for a home. Other than eBay, where should we keep watch?

RX 580s were going for $110 - $130 on black friday. Used cards are going dirt cheap.

 

[m3tavision]

What is mid-range ..? $199 ~ $399 ..?

The only thing that matters with the RTX2060 is it's price. I own a RTX2080 and see zero point in ray-tracing in current games. It not what gamer's want, they want more ROPs, not fricken tensor-cores... (wtf?).

The whole RTX line from nVidia is a bust. I only bought mine because of the updated outputs and USB-C, not because of some ray-tracing b.s... Nvidia is not using it's wafers for gamers, but pushing some marketing scandal down our throats. I was stuck with g-sync, otherwise I would've held off on the RTX2080.

Again, what performance does the 2060 push at 1440p ..? And at what price..? The rest of any article means ziltch.

1080p @120Hz = low-end
1440p @120Hz = mid-range
4k @120Hz = high-end

 

[Evernessince]

What is mid-range ..? $199 ~ $399 ..?

The only thing that matters with the RTX2060 is it's price. I own a RTX2080 and see zero point in ray-tracing in current games. It not what gamer's want, they want more ROPs, not fricken tensor-cores... (wtf?).

The whole RTX line from nVidia is a bust. I only bought mine because of the updated outputs and USB-C, not because of some ray-tracing b.s... Nvidia is not using it's wafers for gamers, but pushing some marketing scandal down our throats. I was stuck with g-sync, otherwise I would've held off on the RTX2080.

Again, what performance does the 2060 push at 1440p ..? And at what price..? The rest of any article means ziltch.

1080p @120Hz = low-end
1440p @120Hz = mid-range
4k @120Hz = high-end

Mid range is $200 approx. The 2070 use to be the midrange card but at it's current price, it doesn't really qualify. The 2060 might be pushing it as well but I guess we'll find out.

 

[koblongata]

But me TV is FreeSync

 

[Drew Valadez]

RTX 2060 and a GTX 1160?

This won't be confusing at all to new builders or people who haven't been following GPU naming/performance charts in the last 4 years who've been content with 9xx or older generation cards.

/s

 

[Lew Zealand]

Nah, it just adds to the fun of making a build. I'm old and crunchy but still interested so it was pretty simple to find out everything I needed and build my first PC this year. I'm looking forward to more choices.

Which don't contain die space wasted by expensive gimmicks.

 

[Sausagemeat]

It's more like they're throwing anything and everything at the wall to see what sticks.

Hobbling SLI on mid-range cards was the game changer for me.
Fortunately, it's still possible to Crossfire mid-range AMD cards for the performance boost, so NVIDIA's 'change the world' tactics don't mean much.

In a month we'll have an idea what AMD's new stuff will be like. That will help us to know how to buy better.

As someone using crossfire I disagree with you. Support for crossfire is woeful at best. I don’t think you can rely on it as in most cases new games just either never support it or take a few months for support to arrive. This means that on average you’re better off with a single better card. I believe the same is happening with SLI although I don’t have first hand experience.

In 2019 multi GPU is as good as dead. I actually don’t think Nvidia gimping it on midrange is that big a deal, it’s an objectively worse consumer experience to opt for 2 midrange cards over a single better part and Nvidia discourages this by gimping their components. However there are users out there who will buy 2 590s for $560 when they will get a worse experience in a lot of titles than a single $330 Vega 56 gives them.

 

[Adi6293]

Well

If you truly support competition you buy the card that’s best for you. If you choose to buy a lesser performing card because the company that makes them isn’t doing so well you’re technically supporting the opposite of competition, you are ensuring that the companies who make weaker products can get away with it.

If the 1160 offers better bang for the buck than the 590 then AMD deserve to lose market share and money.

Well he is holding on to his old and slow GeForce card in hopes he can upgrade to another GeForce card, when he could have upgraded long time ago. Yes if 1160 or 2060 is priced similarly to 590 and its faster then nVidia deserves a sale but that probably wont happen and at the moment you can get good deals on Radeon cards with free games

 

[RealNeil]

As someone using crossfire I disagree with you. Support for crossfire is woeful at best. I don’t think you can rely on it as in most cases new games just either never support it or take a few months for support to arrive. This means that on average you’re better off with a single better card. I believe the same is happening with SLI although I don’t have first hand experience.

In 2019 multi GPU is as good as dead. I actually don’t think Nvidia gimping it on midrange is that big a deal, it’s an objectively worse consumer experience to opt for 2 midrange cards over a single better part and Nvidia discourages this by gimping their components. However there are users out there who will buy 2 590s for $560 when they will get a worse experience in a lot of titles than a single $330 Vega 56 gives them.

SLI support is alive and well. I have twin 1080s and twin 1070Ti cards.
I'm also using two Vega-64 cards in crossfire and it's buttery smooth. When crossfire isn't supported in a given title, the single Vega-64 performance is acceptable. Before I upgraded to Vega, I had a pair of Strix 580s and that worked nicely too. I've relied on dual cards for a long time and have been happy most of the time.
I have a 1080Ti card here and it performs well, but I put it away until I can afford a second card.

 

[Sausagemeat]

SLI support is alive and well. I have twin 1080s and twin 1070Ti cards.
I'm also using two Vega-64 cards in crossfire and it's buttery smooth. When crossfire isn't supported in a given title, the single Vega-64 performance is acceptable. Before I upgraded to Vega, I had a pair of Strix 580s and that worked nicely too. I've relied on dual cards for a long time and have been happy most of the time.
I have a 1080Ti card here and it performs well, but I put it away until I can afford a second card.

I’m sure a single Vega 64 is fine at the moment. The problem comes in a few years time when you’re relying on crossfire. But if you upgrade as often as it sounds like you do then fine. My crossfire 280x is fine when crossfire works. But when reduced to a single card I can’t play. If I had purchased a more powerful single card I would be better off now.

I’d rather have a 1080ti or a 2080 than a pair of Vega 64 in crossfire, would have been cheaper, more consistent and have more/faster memory too. Can’t see why anyone would opt to buy a pair of Vega 64’s over a single more powerful Nvidia card tbh.

 

[Charles Olson]

Here in Canada Nvidia is a little slow in reducing their prices ( still same as launch prices ) and two RX Vega 64 are a bit cheaper and according to this site in the many games that support crossfire it beats the single RTX 2080 by quite a margin in both 1080p and 4k ! https://www.game-debate.com/gpu/ind...80-vs-AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 Air 8GB Crossfire

 

[RealNeil]

I’m sure a single Vega 64 is fine at the moment. The problem comes in a few years time when you’re relying on crossfire. But if you upgrade as often as it sounds like you do then fine. My crossfire 280x is fine when crossfire works. But when reduced to a single card I can’t play. If I had purchased a more powerful single card I would be better off now.

I’d rather have a 1080ti or a 2080 than a pair of Vega 64 in crossfire, would have been cheaper, more consistent and have more/faster memory too. Can’t see why anyone would opt to buy a pair of Vega 64’s over a single more powerful Nvidia card tbh.

To be honest, I got the two Vega-64 cards slightly used from a friend. I paid a little less than a third of retail on them. My whole point is that they are acceptable cards, especially in Crossfire. Other cards do outperform them, but the real world differences are only obvious in Benchmarks. Gaming with them has been good.
I agree with you about 1080Ti being a great choice. I have one of them (MSI Gaming-X TRIO) sitting in its box, waiting for my 9900K parts to get here. It will be a stand-alone GPU because the mainboard I have for it is M-ITX. (ASUS ROG STRIX Z390-I Gaming with only one PCI-3 X16 slot)

I used to use Sapphire R9-280X Toxic cards. They were great for their time, but they were released a long time ago. I'm sure that it's hard to negotiate new games with one or two of them nowadays. New cards have a lot more memory going for them.