Russia finds 40% of its Chinese chip imports are defective

midian182

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TL;DR: Sanctions against Russia mean the country now looks to the Chinese gray market for its semiconductor imports, but there's a problem: 40% of them are defective. That marks a 1,900% increase in their failure rate over the last few months.

As reported by The Register, pro-Putin newspaper Kommersant writes that the percentage of defective imported chips into Russia before the war was just 2%, which isn't very good considering how many components are found in today's electronic items. Now, almost eight months after the country invaded Ukraine, it stands at 40%.

Russia blames these failure rates on the pandemic impacting the supply chain and sanctions forcing it to import chips from the Chinese gray market, an area that not only comes with the threat of faulty products but is also unreliable and slow.

Many businesses have quit Russia as a result of the import restrictions, and those that are left must deal with sanction-skirting Chinese companies for semiconductors. Given that some of these duds were likely intended for military hardware supporting the war in Ukraine, one wonders if Russia and China's "friendship without limits" extends to imports of non-borked chips.

China has neither confirmed its support for Russia's invasion of Ukraine nor condemned Putin's actions. But the sanctions placed on the country have benefitted Chinese companies dealing with their own US-imposed restrictions—we often see both nations grouped together in sanctions, as was the case with the export rules introduced a few weeks ago that stopped Nvidia and AMD from selling their high-performance AI-focused GPUs to Russia or China without a license.

After it was first hit with import sanctions, Russia made bold claims that it would be investing in domestic chip development, manufacturing, and personnel training, with the intention of producing chips using a 28nm node by 2030. May brought news that Russia's inability to source reliable semiconductors was forcing it to use components taken from dishwashers and refrigerators in its tanks, which are probably more reliable than the Chinese imports, anyway.

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amghwk

Posts: 1,260   +1,230
Well, what do you expect? It's "Made in China". (Or Made in PRC).

Too bad most of the American brands are also made in China nowadays... Apple, anyone?

Now, now, don't start the "QC Control, and this product is better than that" BS.
 

Mouseface

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Well, what do you expect? It's "Made in China". (Or Made in PRC).

Too bad most of the American brands are also made in China nowadays... Apple, anyone?

Now, now, don't start the "QC Control, and this product is better than that" BS.

Assembled in china. Most components of everything "made" in china are imported. For phones for example, screen glass is usually corning (USA), chips will be Korea or Taiwan, Cameras usually korea or japan etc... it says made in china but its just assembled there...

a more glaring example is AMD CPU... says made in china but this couldnt be further from the truth.... AMD chips are actually made in Taiwan and CHina only has the packaging and distribution parts .... so chinas puts the imported value compenents together like a 3 piece jigsaw, package it and distribute but china likes to pretend it makes everything so they have to put made in china or made in PRC on items that were not really made in china

mopre fakeness from the dictatorship over there

china on average adds 11% of mid to high value components to products assembled in china, advanced economies like japan or usa and korea is more like 48 - 55%
 

Uncle Al

Posts: 9,363   +8,581
I believe the Chinese QC position is to identify which sucker you can dump your flawed materials on, then get to work shipping it out! Glad to see Putin on board, maybe it will result in the USA getting the "better" products ...... LOL
 

RudyBob

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Assembled in china. Most components of everything "made" in china are imported. For phones for example, screen glass is usually corning (USA), chips will be Korea or Taiwan, Cameras usually korea or japan etc... it says made in china but its just assembled there...

a more glaring example is AMD CPU... says made in china but this couldnt be further from the truth.... AMD chips are actually made in Taiwan and CHina only has the packaging and distribution parts .... so chinas puts the imported value compenents together like a 3 piece jigsaw, package it and distribute but china likes to pretend it makes everything so they have to put made in china or made in PRC on items that were not really made in china

mopre fakeness from the dictatorship over there

china on average adds 11% of mid to high value components to products assembled in china, advanced economies like japan or usa and korea is more like 48 - 55%
assembly can be garbage....China=synonymous with garbage
 

koblongata

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And then most smart Russians already fled

Being an important scientist/engineer can even get you killed in Russia...
 

NikoBB

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As long as export earnings allow to pay for these risks, they don't care. It just lengthens the chains and makes it harder to control.

China itself is very different. There is factory China, made under the full control of Western "brands", and there is a semi-underground one that does not care about quality control and stability of goods in batches. Although, of course, in recent years, even those goods that were made under the auspices of well-known brands were clearly worse from China than from the same Japan. But there is no secret here - the higher the wages of workers (taking into account the purchasing power of the local currency relative to the comfortable standard of living of the middle class), the usually better the quality of the products - there is no reason for workers and engineers to twitch due to a chronic lack of money in households, they completely devote themselves to work and bestowal. Someone survives on a "salary" to make ends meet every month and he does not care about the quality of his work, while someone is completely immersed in work and how to make it better, being much higher in the civilization pyramid of comfort...

 

NikoBB

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China has been in huge trouble since 2015, falling into the middle income trap. In order to move forward, to improve human capital, they, as a society, need an effective civil society with effective institutions for controlling authorities at all levels. Freedom of speech, thought, creativity. These are all facets of the same thing. Without this, it is impossible to create a comfortable environment for the emergence of a wide layer of creators - scientists, engineers. A totalitarian society is automatically rejected by well-educated people, especially young people, especially in the age of the Internet, when the whole world is in full view. Therefore, in China, as in the Russian Federation, there is a monstrous drain of higher brains (totalitarians, in general, do not care about this, because the main thing for them is to retain power, because the loss of power is death for them, therefore the degradation of society is acceptable for them) . But there are fewer of them, because the education system itself from kindergarten enslaves consciousness. The trouble with the West is that society has embarked on the same path of degradation of education and the social environment. Soon it will not be good in the West and bad in totalitarian countries. And it's bad in the West and even worse in totalitarian countries. That is, the world has switched to a spiral mode of degradation of human civilization as a whole. Clearance is not visible even for a period of the next 100 years.

Previously, they wrote a lot in the 90s that there were a lot of "brains" in the USSR. But these "brains" were trained in a very one-sided way, they did not have a broad outlook, which enslaved the consciousness and did not allow the creative component to be fully manifested in this layer. Which ultimately led to defeat in the Cold War. A more creatively liberated Western environment, and even with intentional credit pumping (which was a plus at that time, but not after the fall of the USSR), which sharply increased the "middle class", outplayed the totalitarian, enslaved and very poor in everyday life, extremely uncomfortable for the creative class , society. In the late 60s, the USSR took a wrong turn and signed a sentence for itself. And today's Russia is just a phantom, the agony of empire fanatics and just masses of corrupt crooks who, unfortunately, still have nuclear weapons and with whom the West cannot do anything, therefore it is now in an existential panic. Totalitarians essentially have nothing to lose but their lives. They will go for everything. They are more brutal and focused, albeit more stupid. Resources and mobilization will allow them to drag out hostilities, under the cover of the "umbrella" of nuclear weapons, for several more years, until a complete crisis of society comes. The West is now morally rushing about. And everyone wants to live, and the principles do not allow to survive in this situation at all ...
 
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dirtyferret

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May brought news that Russia's inability to source reliable semiconductors was forcing it to use components taken from dishwashers and refrigerators in its tanks, which are probably more reliable than the Chinese imports, anyway.

Russian Tank Commander: Target that ukraine tank and fire!
Russian Tank Gunner: Comrade, systems say they are still finishing rinse cycle!
Russian Tank Commander: NYET!!!!
 

scavengerspc

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May brought news that Russia's inability to source reliable semiconductors was forcing it to use components taken from dishwashers and refrigerators in its tanks, which are probably more reliable than the Chinese imports, anyway.

Russian Tank Commander: Target that ukraine tank and fire!
Russian Tank Gunner: Comrade, systems say they are still finishing rinse cycle!
Russian Tank Commander: NYET!!!!

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Tantor

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I'm very skeptical about this article.

I looked at the Register article and found no link to Kommersant. Just to make sure, I went to Kommersant and was unable to find the article.

I'm pretty sure that if Chinese manufacturers are shipping faulty parts to Russia, they will be investigated and thoroughly prosecuted by the Chinese government. China is 100% on board with Russia. They have to be, they depend on Russian oil even more than Germany or the EU does.

Russian equipment is generally more robust than US equipment. If their tanks can actually use chips from dishwashers and refrigerators, it shows how farsighted their engineers and planners are. If your tank's fire control system goes down, just head to the nearest laundromat. And run a washer load while fixing your tank.
 

Greggs

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I'm very skeptical about this article.

I looked at the Register article and found no link to Kommersant. Just to make sure, I went to Kommersant and was unable to find the article.

I'm pretty sure that if Chinese manufacturers are shipping faulty parts to Russia, they will be investigated and thoroughly prosecuted by the Chinese government. China is 100% on board with Russia. They have to be, they depend on Russian oil even more than Germany or the EU does.

Russian equipment is generally more robust than US equipment. If their tanks can actually use chips from dishwashers and refrigerators, it shows how farsighted their engineers and planners are. If your tank's fire control system goes down, just head to the nearest laundromat. And run a washer load while fixing your tank.
China publicly states they're 100% on board, however they haven't supported Putin's war effort in any meaningful way. As Putin is sourcing shells from North Korea and drones & missiles from Iran, they cannot keep up with Western supply. Were China to sell arms to Russia it would be a major shift in the war. The problem is they don't really like or trust Russia no matter how much they play nice in front of others. Further helping Russia in Ukraine does nothing to further their very strict goals, other than supply with some cheap(er) oil and maybe coal and gas someday. Putin needs China far more than China needs Putin.