Russia finds 40% of its Chinese chip imports are defective

Mr Majestyk

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Sucked in Russia. China is no one's friend. Russia is only of importance to China because of its resources, like all other countries. China eff over their own people so what do you think they'll do to other countries. Putin is getting played by the insidious Ji and for once I couldn't care less.
 

Puiu

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Sucked in Russia. China is no one's friend. Russia is only of importance to China because of its resources, like all other countries. China eff over their own people so what do you think they'll do to other countries. Putin is getting played by the insidious Ji and for once I couldn't care less.
Russia has effectively become China's dog.
 

kmo911

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Its back firiing not up firing. it stands on rockets dont fire inside. cracets firing may damage eyes hearing sss. (written to ark and it was all in chinece) build a ark before it s to lAte.
 

NikoBB

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I'm very skeptical about this article.
I looked at the Register article and found no link to Kommersant. Just to make sure, I went to Kommersant and was unable to find the article.
kommersant.ru/doc/5619160
It took me 10 seconds to find this article...
But the funny thing about this is that the russian Kommersant himself is a reprint of the Western analytical press...

In fact, the West is the same. who most of all support, in practice, kleptocracy and bandits in the Russian Federation - all their families live comfortably in the West and the corrupt press (and even more powerful officials) diligently keep quiet about this, because most Western officials are corrupt, and most businessmen are immoral . Those small public and ridiculous exceptions are just to demonstrate the "struggle" of the authorities for human rights and the foundations of the Western world. But most of the kleptocracy of the Russian Federation, China and other totalitarian countries are unaffected. For example, the US and the EU practically do not affect the judicial branch of power in the Russian Federation and China, although it is it that is the basic support for the totalitarian machine. Even those oppositionists who fled in the West, from Navalny’s team, are calling for the blocking of the assets of only about 700-900 judges and their relatives, but there are tens of thousands of them in the Russian Federation alone and none of them quit or resisted the actions of the totalitarian political authorities. This is the duplicity of the Western authorities - they know perfectly well and by name the entire composition of the judicial corps of the Russian Federation and China and other totalitarian countries, but they do nothing to exclude the possibility of their families living comfortably in the West.

Putin loses economically and technologically, but he actually destroys the moral fabric, the basis, the foundation of the West, to which officials appeal, power - human rights (which are obliged to apply to all people on the planet, and not only to representatives of the "golden billion" and especially to everyone who is trying to lead an active civil life for human rights and against the corruption of officials and business - they are the least protected layers in all countries, against arbitrariness authorities of all countries, even in the USA), the fight against corruption, etc. Thus, the whole world sees duplicity in the approaches of Western officials (because of the fear of nuclear weapons and banal systemic corruption) and finally loses faith in Western "democracy" and the declaration of human rights. The UN as an institution is practically dead. Putin will eventually die, someone will replace him, not much better than him, but rather even worse, because the problem is in society itself (although Western officials do their best to avoid a direct terrible answer to such questions), but the moral defeat of the West will be his legacy , which no one in the West will be able to avoid, no matter how much they would like it during the life of 2-3 generations of people on the planet who will remember for a long time what happened, at least the civilly active layer in all countries of the world. But time will pass and new generations will no longer want to remember and study history, and everything will be forgotten again. And there will be a restart of the system, if, of course, you are lucky to go through the eye of a needle of a nuclear war ...
 
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China has been in huge trouble since 2015, falling into the middle income trap. In order to move forward, to improve human capital, they, as a society, need an effective civil society with effective institutions for controlling authorities at all levels. Freedom of speech, thought, creativity. These are all facets of the same thing. Without this, it is impossible to create a comfortable environment for the emergence of a wide layer of creators - scientists, engineers. A totalitarian society is automatically rejected by well-educated people, especially young people, especially in the age of the Internet, when the whole world is in full view. Therefore, in China, as in the Russian Federation, there is a monstrous drain of higher brains (totalitarians, in general, do not care about this, because the main thing for them is to retain power, because the loss of power is death for them, therefore the degradation of society is acceptable for them) . But there are fewer of them, because the education system itself from kindergarten enslaves consciousness. The trouble with the West is that society has embarked on the same path of degradation of education and the social environment. Soon it will not be good in the West and bad in totalitarian countries. And it's bad in the West and even worse in totalitarian countries. That is, the world has switched to a spiral mode of degradation of human civilization as a whole. Clearance is not visible even for a period of the next 100 years.

Previously, they wrote a lot in the 90s that there were a lot of "brains" in the USSR. But these "brains" were trained in a very one-sided way, they did not have a broad outlook, which enslaved the consciousness and did not allow the creative component to be fully manifested in this layer. Which ultimately led to defeat in the Cold War. A more creatively liberated Western environment, and even with intentional credit pumping (which was a plus at that time, but not after the fall of the USSR), which sharply increased the "middle class", outplayed the totalitarian, enslaved and very poor in everyday life, extremely uncomfortable for the creative class , society. In the late 60s, the USSR took a wrong turn and signed a sentence for itself. And today's Russia is just a phantom, the agony of empire fanatics and just masses of corrupt crooks who, unfortunately, still have nuclear weapons and with whom the West cannot do anything, therefore it is now in an existential panic. Totalitarians essentially have nothing to lose but their lives. They will go for everything. They are more brutal and focused, albeit more stupid. Resources and mobilization will allow them to drag out hostilities, under the cover of the "umbrella" of nuclear weapons, for several more years, until a complete crisis of society comes. The West is now morally rushing about. And everyone wants to live, and the principles do not allow to survive in this situation at all ...
Well, we have to end apartheid for one. And slow down the nuclear arms race, stop terrorism and world hunger. We have to provide food and shelter for the homeless, and oppose racial discrimination and promote civil rights, while also promoting equal rights for women. We have to encourage a return to traditional moral values. Most importantly, we have to promote general social concern and less materialism in young people.
 

Avro Arrow

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kommersant.ru/doc/5619160
It took me 10 seconds to find this article...
But the funny thing about this is that the russian Kommersant himself is a reprint of the Western analytical press...

In fact, the West is the same. who most of all support, in practice, kleptocracy and bandits in the Russian Federation - all their families live comfortably in the West and the corrupt press (and even more powerful officials) diligently keep quiet about this, because most Western officials are corrupt, and most businessmen are immoral . Those small public and ridiculous exceptions are just to demonstrate the "struggle" of the authorities for human rights and the foundations of the Western world. But most of the kleptocracy of the Russian Federation, China and other totalitarian countries are unaffected. For example, the US and the EU practically do not affect the judicial branch of power in the Russian Federation and China, although it is it that is the basic support for the totalitarian machine. Even those oppositionists who fled in the West, from Navalny’s team, are calling for the blocking of the assets of only about 700-900 judges and their relatives, but there are tens of thousands of them in the Russian Federation alone and none of them quit or resisted the actions of the totalitarian political authorities. This is the duplicity of the Western authorities - they know perfectly well and by name the entire composition of the judicial corps of the Russian Federation and China and other totalitarian countries, but they do nothing to exclude the possibility of their families living comfortably in the West.

Putin loses economically and technologically, but he actually destroys the moral fabric, the basis, the foundation of the West, to which officials appeal, power - human rights (which are obliged to apply to all people on the planet, and not only to representatives of the "golden billion" and especially to everyone who is trying to lead an active civil life for human rights and against the corruption of officials and business - they are the least protected layers in all countries, against arbitrariness authorities of all countries, even in the USA), the fight against corruption, etc. Thus, the whole world sees duplicity in the approaches of Western officials (because of the fear of nuclear weapons and banal systemic corruption) and finally loses faith in Western "democracy" and the declaration of human rights. The UN as an institution is practically dead. Putin will eventually die, someone will replace him, not much better than him, but rather even worse, because the problem is in society itself (although Western officials do their best to avoid a direct terrible answer to such questions), but the moral defeat of the West will be his legacy , which no one in the West will be able to avoid, no matter how much they would like it during the life of 2-3 generations of people on the planet who will remember for a long time what happened, at least the civilly active layer in all countries of the world. But time will pass and new generations will no longer want to remember and study history, and everything will be forgotten again. And there will be a restart of the system, if, of course, you are lucky to go through the eye of a needle of a nuclear war ...
Wow, that's amazingly spot-on!
 

Avro Arrow

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Well, we have to end apartheid for one. And slow down the nuclear arms race, stop terrorism and world hunger. We have to provide food and shelter for the homeless, and oppose racial discrimination and promote civil rights, while also promoting equal rights for women. We have to encourage a return to traditional moral values. Most importantly, we have to promote general social concern and less materialism in young people.
None of that will ever happen under capitalism because capitalism is a morally-bankrupt system.
Who cares
True enough. What two terrible countries do to each other is irrelevant to me.
 
That is the problem when you buy stuff in the grey market, you have no idea where it came from, if it is genuine or if it is a recycled broken part. And it is not like you can send it for warranty service if it does not work.

There is a lot of this sort of stuff that goes on in China. There are two types of products, those made for export to first world countries, where QC requirements are high, and those made for the domestic market, where QC does not matter. Russia is buying the latter, and not only that, they are doing it on the grey market, so they have to put up with quality issues that ordinary Chinese have to deal with.
 

NikoBB

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so they have to put up with quality issues that ordinary Chinese have to deal with.
In reality, if there is no secret influence and assistance of the Chinese leadership in the supply chains, the ordinary Chinese consumer is much better protected than wholesale buyers from the Russian Federation. Just because can bring a legal claim against the seller or the Chinese manufacturer. This is a huge difference from the gray market bypassing the sanctions, where the buyer has no rights, and the supplier risks being punished if this pops up in the official public field at the press level.

By the way, in the Russian Federation for almost all the years of Yeltsin and Putin's rule, ordinary consumers were not protected in any way from the arbitrariness of Western manufacturers if the seller disappeared (as a legal entity without an assignee) for a simple reason - despite the harshness of the conditions of consumer legislation (extremely poorly thought out, for many key issues, the practical resolution of conflicts from the initially weaker side - the consumer, in relation to the sellers or the manufacturer), the authorities turned a blind eye to the voluntary refusal to open official (legally accredited by the authorities) representative offices of Western and Asian manufacturers of household appliances and electronics. In the event of the disappearance of the legal entity of the seller, the consumer in the Russian Federation, despite the opportunity to bring a claim against the manufacturer, could not do this in practice, because. almost all manufacturers were outside the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation, and litigation in a foreign state under the laws of this country became practically meaningless in terms of the resource expended. And the authorities of the Russian Federation, even when this market was growing in the 2000s and all foreign manufacturers were extremely interested in sales on the Russian market, did nothing to force foreign manufacturers to open official representative offices against which an ordinary consumer could easily sue for consumer legislation of the Russian Federation.
This approach alone clearly spoke of total corruption in power on the part of foreign manufacturers and that the lobbies of large distributors were against the opening of such representative offices (and most of their owners were deputies or officials), because. if they were discovered, foreign manufacturers lost interest in working with them. because could eliminate the extra speculative markup from the price of the product by eliminating unnecessary intermediate links and selling the product directly to retail buyers both in the US and the EU from their websites.

At the same time, when the authorities of the Russian Federation needed to drastically limit the influence of social networks on the population, they immediately cynically announced the demand for compulsory accreditation of the owners of Western social networks in the Russian Federation. Duplicity is evident in the same issues where the interests of the ruling strata were involved. In the first case, it was beneficial for the ruling stratum to ignore the lack of accredited representative offices of foreign manufacturers (because most of the imports went through companies owned by government officials and they made money on it), and in the second they lost the competition for the "minds" of the population to Western networks, so they they were required to be accredited. And some of the Western companies beneficiaries of social networks have fulfilled this condition - since propaganda is extremely important.

Opportunities of consumers in the US and the EU (Japan, Korea, etc.) compare favorably in this matter with ordinary consumers in the Russian Federation and other developing countries - they can file claims (including class actions) directly with manufacturers, so manufacturers, knowing about the risks, try to behave with them many times more civilized than with consumers in developing countries (here's double moral standards in practice). As a result, in the USA, for example, there is a widespread practice of selling goods (including via the Internet) with the right to return the goods free of charge within 1 month, without explaining the reason for the return and the need to prove the existence of a defect, I.e. goods of proper quality from the point of view of the manufacturer and the seller. In most cases, taking on the costs (to restore the packaging and presentation, while again sold already with a marker – as “refurbished”, not new!). Which allows ordinary consumer to calmly and civilly choose a truly high-quality product among heaps of frank garbage on the market, in unlike unfortunate consumers in developing countries, with completely corrupt authorities acting in the interests of large foreign corporations, not their own citizens. And this is another practical example of why citizens of developing countries at the household level hate residents of developed countries, although they themselves are to blame for what happened because of their stupidity, laziness, courage and, ultimately, the lack of the necessary level of civic engagement and understanding of the necessary changes in society and the state. This is how anti-people regimes gradually arise, where the majority of the population decides that "my hut is on the edge", I.e. I don't give a damn about my civic responsibilities to support civil society and counter the authoritarian habits of officials and corruption among them and immoral businessmen.
From the streams of mental ignorance and indifference of the majority of ordinary inhabitants in a particular country, a river of social vices gradually flows, which takes society to the beginning of an authoritarian regime, and then, on the growth of fear and cowardice of the majority of the population, already into a totalitarian ocean of madness, which leads to the collapse of the state and society Sooner or later. And so it has always been in the history of mankind. The sleep of the mind of the majority of the population led to its loss in the global competition for a better life on planet Earth. The only thing that has changed since then is that now some of the totalitarian states, even if they die, can significantly spoil the ecology of the planet and kill billions. But sometime in the future, if there is a further increase in progress, even a small group of individuals will be able to destroy the planet with their private efforts, if for some reason they decide that human civilization is no longer worthy of survival ....