Russian tanks are using chips from household appliances due to sanctions

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AlaskaGuy

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The people who voted for Ukrainian independence say there's a Ukraine and its people.
They didn't invite the Russians to drop by and waste everyone's time. What does anyone being an 'ethnic Russian' even matter?
A bit off topic but to give you a better understanding of the Russian psyche you'd need to study the word dhersheva (might be misspelled). The Russians believe they are the rightful heir to the Kingdom of the Rus which would be Russia, Ukraine and Belarus. They even use the word / name 'Russia' to perpetuate this claim. This psyche is infused from their earliest childhood from the Russian Orthodox Church to the early years of their schooling. What they won't admit is Moscow was still an unpopulated mudhole when Kyiv was the capital of the Rus and after the Mongol invasion the city of Lviv has a claim as being the heir to Kyiv seeing how that was the last capital of the Rurik dynasty before that line came to an end.
 

Endymio

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The people who voted for Ukrainian independence say there's a Ukraine and its people.
They didn't invite the Russians to drop by and waste everyone's time. What does anyone being an 'ethnic Russian' even matter?
After the 2014 coup, the new Ukraine government stripped its ethic Russian citizens of the right to vote, to hold government office, and even to speak their own language. So -- like Ukraine voted to secede from Russia 20 years earlier, Crimea and Donbas voted to secede from Ukraine. You can't stand for one without standing for the other.
 

AlaskaGuy

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After the 2014 coup, the new Ukraine government stripped its ethic Russian citizens of the right to vote, to hold government office, and even to speak their own language. So -- like Ukraine voted to secede from Russia 20 years earlier, Crimea and Donbas voted to secede from Ukraine. You can't stand for one without standing for the other.
The language law was a stupid and miscalculated mistake on Kyiv's part but no way was Ukraine going to allow the peoples of Russian occupied territories to vote seeing how the Kremlin has a history of manipulating the election process.
 

Endymio

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The language law was a stupid and miscalculated mistake on Kyiv's part but no way was Ukraine going to allow the peoples of Russian occupied territories to vote
There's never an excuse to permanently classify a huge percentage of a nation's people as second-class citizens, and remove their human rights. Zelensky's gone even further than Poroshenko did -- he outright banned opposition political parties -- including his largest opposition in Parliament -- and non state-run media. Effectively, Ukraine is now even less democratic than Russia.
 

AlaskaGuy

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There's never an excuse to permanently classify a huge percentage of a nation's people as second-class citizens, and remove their human rights. Zelensky's gone even further than Poroshenko did -- he outright banned opposition political parties -- including his largest opposition in Parliament -- and non state-run media. Effectively, Ukraine is now even less democratic than Russia.
Zelensky is a scumbag no doubt and again the language law was a big mistake but why would Kyiv allow peoples of Russian occupied territories to vote when the Kremlin has a history of manipulating elections?
 
Omg!!! you guys are clearly very naive and dont know what are russian bots in the internet :D
is starts with "very smart Putin" and ends with "ukraine is killing innocent people!". these are not real users. they post their messages on different languages all over the internet.
remember. you deal with a cannibalic dictatorship that is ruled by secret service officer. they started the war that quickly show their henocidic intentions. children rape? yeah, russian soldier likes that!
times when one could say "well its a propaganda" has ended for both sides when the war started. now once you play victim blaming - you actually support mass murders, children rape, you name it! it is no joke and not a virtual thing, it is literally happening at the moment when you are thinking through bot-induced nonsense.
 

captaincranky

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Omg!!! you guys are clearly very naive and dont know what are russian bots in the internet :D
I get my posts pulled when I say anything about it. So, I beg your pardon, I'm far from naive or stupid. I'm just operating under the rules as written.

It is though, as you describe, a monumental waste of time.

However, there is also a manifest obligation to put up the truth. Which does unfortunately, prolong the nonsense ad infinitum.

For example, Ron DiSantis is still convinced that "the great pumpkin" is POTUS. However, he lacks the military capability to invade Georgia or Oklahoma to "de-liberaloze them", and "prove his point".

In point of fact however, DiSantis has his mind set on proving that he can even be a bigger a**hole than Trump himself, in order to make his own bid for POTUS
 
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captaincranky

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It works both ways. Zelensky banned any and all opposition media along with jailing a few of his political opponents hence the reason I take any news from Russian and Ukrainian news organizations with a grain of salt.
Well, you know what they say, "the truth is the first casualty of war". Take for example, "I'm going to 'de-nazify" a country with a Jewish comedian as president, by way of a, 'special military operation'".

But then you say, "if you're not going to invade, then what the hell are 190,000 of your troops doing on our border", to which Putin (ostensibly) replies. "oh they're just there camping, and using up some expired MREs.

In case you're interested, I have absolutely no intention whatsoever of donating the chips is either of my toaster ovens, or microwave, to aid Russia's war...(sorry), I meant "special military operation efforts".
 
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AlaskaGuy

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Well, you know what they say, "the truth is the first casualty of war". Take for example, "I'm going to 'de-nazify" a country with a Jewish comedian as president, by way of a, 'special military operation'".

But then you say, "if you're not going to invade, then what the hell are 190,000 of your troops doing on our border", to which Putin (ostensibly) replies. "oh they're just there camping, and using up some expired MREs.
The word 'fascist' is big with Russians. In their minds anyone who doesn't tow the Kremlin line is a fascist hence the reason the Kremlin is accusing Ukraine and Poland of being fascist states ... because they know the ordinary Russian will eat it up.
 

captaincranky

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The word 'fascist' is big with Russians. In their minds anyone who doesn't tow the Kremlin line is a fascist hence the reason the Kremlin is accusing Ukraine and Poland of being fascist states ... because they know the ordinary Russian will eat it up.
For once I agree with you, but somewhat conditionally. The Russian people are not, "eating it up", but rather having it "force fed" to them.

In the same way that "Kaiser", is a mutation of "Caesar", Putin would like nothing more than to morph "president", into,"emperor".

Here's Putin's essay on his intent and "reasoning" to that end.

And in case you were wondering the link is from "enkremlin.ru"
 
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AlaskaGuy

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For once I agree with you, but somewhat conditionally. The Russian people are not, "eating it up", but rather having it "force fed" to them.

In the same way that "Kaiser", is a mutation of "Caesar", Putin would like to morph "president", into "emperor".
I'm not talking about the young modern day techies in Moscow. WW2 and the word fascist is embedded heavily in the mindset of your everyday Ivan. And yes I agree the Kremlin uses this a lot because they know the results.
 

kiwigraeme

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well, the pictures and videos of the M777s howitzers while being loaded onto the planes for transport, and the first ones that have been published of their use, show that those delivered are the basic version, without the ballistic computer, so basically, paper and pencil. and I think I have read that the barrel is the light model, which suffers more wear and tear and less shoots with longer range munition.
As for the accuracy of the shells, who knows if they were issued M982s and/or M1156 PGKs (these use GPS). Although Ukraine has (or had?) a type of laser-guided ammunition before the war. the Russians have the laser-guided Krasnopol shell and some similar heavy mortar shells. The issue is that the GPS can be jammed/spoofed, and the laser blocked/disrupted and/or the emitter destroyed.
About the range, unless they have M982 shells in some improved version (40km), the maximum range is about the same than the Russian artillery, 25-30km. If the Russians deploy their modernized self-propelled artillery, their range is over 40 km (maybe even 80 km, depending on the projectile)
Yeah you know more than me - the Germans are doing crash course training on their hardware - think some British , Dutch , Swedish stuff coming - believe Aussies and Canadian gifts is the USA M777 - make sense to send some basic stuff first .
A lot of the winning is superior intel - even consumer drones - plus Russians are in another country - they don't always have same knowledge - not sure it they use Donbass separatists help.
Think my main point - getting over to 155mm means unlimited ordinance is valid and keeps Soviet Bloc artillery in the field longer as can slow down their rate of use .
What is interesting to non-military folk like myself - is that in capable hands - artillery is amazingly accurate - so the targetting off civillians is not by chance .
Even a reading of battleships w WW2 firing over the horizon - taking into account curvature of the earth , I think pitch of ship is amazing - not in it's killing potential but in like a swiss time piece way .
I don't read war books as a matter of course - but I think WW1 had spotter hot air balloons etc - I will read them as part of a human interest story .

Every time you see a big bore shell ejector fire - the whole thing lifts and moves - yet next shell is more accurate - so engineers must of done some neat tricks
 

captaincranky

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And yes I agree the Kremlin uses this a lot because they know the results.
One of our last WWII vets died a few days ago. So, the Russian people cannot (per se) "remember Fascism". Thus, their indoctrination must be initiated from an early age..Granted their withdrawal from East Germany occurred in the 80's (?). which helped to refresh their memories, at least for those in at minimum the late 40's age bracket.

The saddest part of it all is, by some accounts, Stalin killed more of his own people at the end of the war, than the Nazis killed Jews.

The only good thing to come out of Communism, (which doesn't persist), is that religion was outlawed..My take is that the more people pray, the more oblivious they are to what's going on around them.

Contrary to Frank Herbert's take that, "fear is the mind killer, I firmly believe that "belief in god", performs that function very well. After all, Christianity bases it's ability to control on, "fear of god".
 
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captaincranky

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A lot of the winning is superior intel - even consumer drones - plus Russians are in another country - they don't always have same knowledge - not sure it they use Donbass separatists help.
I think the more that "Russian separatists", have their homes, relatives, and friends, blown to bits by indiscriminate Russian shelling, the less inclined they will be to, "render aid and comfort to the enemy".
 

AlaskaGuy

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One of our last WWII vets died a few days ago. So, the Russian people cannot (per se) "remember Fascism". Thus, their indoctrination must be initiated from an early age..Granted their withdrawal from East Germany occurred in the 80's (?). which helped to refresh their memories.

The saddest part of it all is, by some accounts, Stalin killed more of his own people at the end of the war, than the Nazis killed Jews.

The only good thing to come out of Communism, (which doesn't persist), is that religion was outlawed..My take is that the more people pray, the more oblivious they are to what's going on around them.

Contrary to Frank Herbert's take that, "fear is the mind killer, I firmly believe that "belief in god", performs that function very well. After all, Christianity bases it's ability to control on, "fear of god".
There are WW2 monuments all over Russia and Belarus not to mention WW2 movies along with anti fascist WW2 era cartoons are a big thing in both of those countries. People tend to forget that Russians lost their sh1t when Estonia relocated the bronze occupier statue in 2007 to the point both the Estonian and Swedish ambassadors were physically attacked in St. Petersburg over it. Too much nationalism is a bad thing RE Russia and Belarus but every country needs a bit of national pride or you end up like western Europe. As far as religion goes .. both Bolsheviks / Communist and religious zealots are responsible for the deaths of millions ... so it's six one way and half a dozen the other
 

captaincranky

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Almost the same, so I don't know what You're complaining about?
By the way, if russia is so great, how about You pack Your bags and go back to the motherland, comrade? Why live and suffer under capitalistic oppression in this spoiled West?
He's afraid the government would confiscate all the stocks he supposedly owns, and his "two GTX-3090s", to further the war effort. Sorry, I meant, "special military operations",.effort.
 

captaincranky

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Child, why don't you go back to your unhackable Windows XP story instead of the constant spewing of Russian propaganda, at least that wasn't harmful.
He's not the uh, "member" you're thinking of. The person with the "unhackable XP", is "Bullwinkle".

"Member", has several different meanings and connotations. Pick the one you're most comfortable with. ;)
 

Puiu

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He's not the uh, "member" you're thinking of. The person with the "unhackable XP", is "Bullwinkle".

"Member", has several different meanings and connotations. Pick the one you're most comfortable with. ;)

Wrong member maybe but he's right about being a harmful russian dog. I lost all respect I had for him.
 

captaincranky

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It works both ways. Zelensky banned any and all opposition media along with jailing a few of his political opponents hence the reason I take any news from Russian and Ukrainian news organizations with a grain of salt
This may very well be true, but it does need a deeper dive as to the circumstances.

Prior to Zelensky, Ukraine did indeed have a Russian puppet regime. How do we know he was a "Russian puppet"? Because immediately after being deposed, he ran straight back to Russia with his tail between his legs..He was about to be jailed as well, and perhaps deserved it..
 

captaincranky

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Wrong member maybe but he's right about being a harmful russian dog. I lost all respect I had for him.
You're aware that "member", is a colloquial American English term for an, um, "whatchamacallit"?. No?

Besides you're a bit late to the game on that one. I never had any.
 
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EndRessentiment

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Liberal media: Ukraine is doing well - Russia is losing

REALITY: Europe is suffering. Russia is flattening Ukraine.

Europe is suffering and Ukraine is losing? Wow. I didn't know you were a Putin shill (not very competent at that).
It's Russia that's suffering. "The country’s finance ministry is forecasting a drop in the country’s gross domestic product by as much as 12 percent this year, the kind of contraction not seen since the chaotic days of the early 1990s"
Europe for the most part really isn't suffering, except the poorest lot or those with very high rent. For the most part Europe is making poorer countries suffer by partly excluding Russia from Swift, which impacts a lot of poorer countries dependent on Russia.
 
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