Ryzen 7 5800X3D vs. Core i7-12700KF: Best CPU For Gamers

Steve

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Longevity SHOULD be a concern as you won’t be able to upgrade the cpu on this chipset past the 5950… the 5900 will clearly give you a far better bang for the buck in almost all cases.
Please don't hold your breath until games require more than a 5800X3D. Again you guys are completely missing the point of this part. It's about maximum gaming performance right now (and in the near future). For a number of titles where fps is at a premium the 5800X3D is anywhere up to 50% faster. Sim racers for example have been jumping all over the 5800X3D.
Stop talking about value, it's about maximum gaming performance, so 5800X3D or 12900K/S.
 

Crinkles

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Please don't hold your breath until games require more than a 5800X3D. Again you guys are completely missing the point of this part. It's about maximum gaming performance right now (and in the near future).

Theyr'e not missing it. It's being ignored. To further the science..

For a number of titles where fps is at a premium the 5800X3D is anywhere up to 50% faster. Sim racers for example have been jumping all over the 5800X3D.
Stop talking about value, it's about maximum gaming performance, so 5800X3D or 12900K/S.

A 5800X3D is $489 on Newegg. Not available from other sellers. Mainboards ~ $230 for a Tuf or MSI Tomahawk. Intel and AMD boards are equally priced.
So around $650 for a CPU and motherboard, buyers choice of brand. That's all the value there is in $700, cheapsters will shortchange the motherboard, they always do. I'm leaving these 58000X3D's on the shelf, AM4 socket purists can have them. 😊
 

hahahanoobs

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In previous CPU comparisons, AMD would pull ahead just because a stock cooler was included and B series boards were $50 cheaper than X boards. When it wasn't the best in gaming, the defense was core count and productivity.

Enter Alder Lake...
You say the AMD CPU plus X570 mobo cost is $640 (+$50 markup +$30 cooler) vs $530. That's almost $200! For 8% at 1080p? That's not a good deal as described. I hardly like paying $100 for a next tier GPU to give me another 10%, let alone $200 for 8% at 1080p. Dayum.

I'd also add that if you're running Zen 2 or older regardless of chipset, you're better off with the 5800X3D if a ~$450 CPU is in your budget, and Intel (12600, 12700) really only making sense if you need to buy new CPU and mobo anyway. Resolution also being a consideration. I'd probably like to see how the X3D performs with cards lower than flagships out of curiosity, even if it's just a 5 game test. 3060/6600 and/or 3070/6700XT. If it really is just a 1080p + flagship GPU monster, I'd like to know.

No doubt the X3D is an amazing chip.
 

Crinkles

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I said for "around $650 for a CPU and motherboard" meaning either an AMD or Intel motherboard. The 'good deal' part is correct, they are not sold as bargains. I collect full retail price for a PC, so I can afford to use mid level motherboards, I won't assemble a PC with a $70 motherboard, it's not worth my time or trouble. Most of my PC's are outfitted with a 3060, sometimes a 3080, a few get more pricey graphics cards. A 5800X3D is not a CPU I will use many of, 5950X's are more widely known, components are selected as a gaming computer but are sold as utility/business computers, with a warranty.
They all get high framerates, the 3070/6700XT cards are not just 1080 monsters, those can run many games well, at 1440 and 4K resolution.
Any newer model 6 core or better CPU's, combined with a strong 'recent' year-model graphics card will perform just like the benchmarks show. A Ryzen 3600/5600 paired with a 3060 will blow images to a moinitor so fast you won't believe it, same as an Intel 12400 with a 3060.
 

Stoly

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I wouldn't get any of those CPUs simply because they don't make much of a difference at 4k.

IMO even a Ryzen 5 5600X would be a great CPU @4k, you'll loose maybe 15% performance at most but you'll save about half the price.
 

theruck

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You can buy it right now, Newegg.com for example. Is stock more limited than we'd like? Yes, but also welcome to 2021... I mean 2022.
Is your argument here that when a product is extremely popular it doesn't really exist?
Finally just because I'd love to know on a personal level, who is this comparison 'biased' towards? Thank you in advance.
you cannot buy it in Europe for the MSRP $450 but for $600 so yes its non-existent as you wrote it
it was the same with Ryzen 3000 and 4000 series

its biased towards the AMD piece obviously
because if AMD is slower than intel its JUST few percent but when AMD was 5% quicker with ryzen 3000 series it was hail the AMD king all over the place.
and despite the fact that the AMD is slower in majority of games you tested you wrote:
[HEADING=1]The Best Gaming CPU?[/HEADING]

The Ryzen 7 5800X3D is without question one of the top gaming CPUs

but dont worry we are used to it already, you always find a way how to praise AMD because if it is not directly more performance you start to dig in the value and if there is no value you look at power consumption

For example, the 5600X is just 9% slower than the Ryzen 7 3700X and 10% slower than the Core i7-10700K, that's a phenomenal result given it packs 25% fewer cores.
Looking at Cinebench R20 as a rough guide, we see that the 5600X's multi-core performance is just 9% lower than that of the 3700X and 10% lower than the 10700K, and that's not a big difference.
In our opinion, the key issue for Intel is AMD's aggressive pricing. Although the Ryzen 5 3600 should be the slightly more expensive CPU at ~$200, for the past few weeks it's been selling for just $175 (or even less, as of writing).
When it comes to gaming performance the Core i5 processor is roughly on par with the 3600, while for productivity tasks AMD's offering is often up to 10% faster while consuming a similar level of power.

So are you trying to find out really what is the Best Gaming CPU?
 

Steve

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you cannot buy it in Europe for the MSRP $450 but for $600 so yes its non-existent as you wrote it
it was the same with Ryzen 3000 and 4000 series

its biased towards the AMD piece obviously
because if AMD is slower than intel its JUST few percent but when AMD was 5% quicker with ryzen 3000 series it was hail the AMD king all over the place.
and despite the fact that the AMD is slower in majority of games you tested you wrote:
[HEADING=1]The Best Gaming CPU?[/HEADING]

The Ryzen 7 5800X3D is without question one of the top gaming CPUs

but dont worry we are used to it already, you always find a way how to praise AMD because if it is not directly more performance you start to dig in the value and if there is no value you look at power consumption

For example, the 5600X is just 9% slower than the Ryzen 7 3700X and 10% slower than the Core i7-10700K, that's a phenomenal result given it packs 25% fewer cores.
Looking at Cinebench R20 as a rough guide, we see that the 5600X's multi-core performance is just 9% lower than that of the 3700X and 10% lower than the 10700K, and that's not a big difference.
In our opinion, the key issue for Intel is AMD's aggressive pricing. Although the Ryzen 5 3600 should be the slightly more expensive CPU at ~$200, for the past few weeks it's been selling for just $175 (or even less, as of writing).
When it comes to gaming performance the Core i5 processor is roughly on par with the 3600, while for productivity tasks AMD's offering is often up to 10% faster while consuming a similar level of power.

So are you trying to find out really what is the Best Gaming CPU?
I'm not sure if it's not made clear enough but we don't cover European availability and pricing, and don't consider that market when reviewing hardware as I'm not familiar with it. So calling our content biased because availability and pricing is based on information coming out of the US and Australia, and not Europe is a bit odd to say the least.

As for the examples you provided to prove we're 'biased', it's a bit mind-numbing to be honest. When reviewing mid-range hardware value is a big part of the equation, when reviewing the ultimate in high-end hardware value tends to take a backseat for much of the conversation.

Also what are your points exactly? Is it not impressive that a 6-core Zen 3 CPU can almost match the multi-core performance of Intel's then 8-core part?
 
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theruck

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I'm not sure if it's not made clear enough but we don't cover European availability and pricing, and don't consider that market when reviewing hardware as I'm not familiar with it. So calling our content biased because availability and pricing is based on information coming out of the US and Australia, and not Europe is a bit odd to say the least.

As for the examples you provided to prove we're 'biased', it's a bit mind-numbing to be honest. When reviewing mid-range hardware value is a big part of the equation, when reviewing the ultimate in high-end hardware value tends to take a backseat for much of the conversation.

Also what are your points exactly? Is it not impressive that a 6-core Zen 3 CPU can almost match the multi-core performance of Intel's then 8-core part?
You picking the wrong statements and mixing them together. The availability has nothing with the bias obviously. You have enabled comments below your article so people comment...
And of course the problem is with me. If I point to your sponsored articles.
Deal with it or give me a ban again.
Why you as an author need to be personal (while I was not) is beyond my understanding but you being the head of this all I guess you can afford it so I deal with it :)
 
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Steve

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You picking the wrong statements and mixing them together. The availability has nothing with the bias obviously. You have enabled comments below your article so people comment...
And of course the problem is with me. If I point to your sponsored articles.
Deal with it or give me a ban again.
Why you as an author need to be personal (while I was not) is beyond my understanding but you being the head of this all I guess you can afford it so I deal with it :)
You're crying 'biased' and then providing no evidence, at least evidence that supports your case. Do you honestly believe AMD sponsored this content? Do you also believe we only say positive stuff about AMD products?
 

theruck

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I provided enough evidence anyway here is another one

there are 26 graphs shown in the article. on 9 of them the so called performance king is a winner while on 17 graphs an Intel counterpart is a winner. still you have your AMD king.

yes I believe the whole techspot is biased towards AMD cpus, maybe you are just fans and not sponsored but its really visible.
 

Steve

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I provided enough evidence anyway here is another one

there are 26 graphs shown in the article. on 9 of them the so called performance king is a winner while on 17 graphs an Intel counterpart is a winner. still you have your AMD king.

yes I believe the whole techspot is biased towards AMD cpus, maybe you are just fans and not sponsored but its really visible.
Again extremely weak evidence.

I think you'll find most people would agree with us given AMD's mainstream desktop part was offering over 70% more performance than Intel's flagship desktop part in core heavy applications and in fact was faster than even Intel's HEDT lineup. Of course it's not about who won the most graphs, it about the significance of the wins.

Also I take it you've conveniently ignored all our Alder Lake reviews then?
 
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theruck

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1652427740562.pngyet you put an article label that 3800X3D is the "Gaming-first CPU"
do you see that its 3rd or not?
 

theruck

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Again extremely weak evidence, laughably bad in fact.

I think you'll find most people would agree with us given AMD's mainstream desktop part was offering over 70% more performance than Intel's flagship desktop part in core heavy applications and in fact was faster than even Intel's HEDT lineup. Of course it's not about who won the most graphs, it about the significance of the wins.

Also I take it you've conveniently ignored all our Alder Lake reviews then?
great that you mentioned it. from your alder lake review:

While these are excellent results, these comparisons are mostly pitting Alder Lake against older architectures. Later in 2022, Intel will be competing with AMD's Ryzen 6000

why do you have to mention such BS of something non-existent?
 

Steve

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View attachment 88323yet you put an article label that 3800X3D is the "Gaming-first CPU"
do you see that its 3rd or not?
I didn't make that title but regardless this is another basic comprehension fail on your behalf. @Julio is saying the 5800X3D is a gaming CPU first and foremost.

great that you mentioned it. from your alder lake review:

While these are excellent results, these comparisons are mostly pitting Alder Lake against older architectures. Later in 2022, Intel will be competing with AMD's Ryzen 6000

why do you have to mention such BS of something non-existent?
The real question is after a glowing review why are you so offended about the mention of what's coming later in the year? Is it not okay to point of that Alder Lake is competing with year old tech from AMD which will be updated this year?
 
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theruck

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I didn't make that title but regardless this is another basic comprehension fail on your behalf. @Julio is saying the 5800X3D is a gaming CPU first and foremost.
looks like its intentionally misleading. its just too much of these things all over this place hence you look biased
 
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Steve

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looks like its intentionally misleading. its just too much of these things all over this place hence you look biased
No it's more like you're a fan of a certain company and can't see both sides.

"Intel Core i5-12600K Review: 5600X Defeated"
 

theruck

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You know you cant prove your non-bias by providing other articles without bias? That is not how it works because your biased articles are still biased...
I am not a fan of Intel btw but last time it ried to buy an AMD cpu I had to buy intel because of the AMD unavailability on the market.
 

Steve

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You know you cant prove your non-bias by providing other articles without bias? That is not how it works because your biased articles are still biased...
Yeah I know this is a waste of time, I'm just enjoying watching you trip all over yourself.

While you're at it explain the AMD bias here:

How much did AMD pay us to be the only media to push back against their AM4 bait and switch?
 

theruck

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Well its not up to me to explain why some articles are biased and some are not. I am not complaining about the bias under those so I admit those are not biased imho so we have an agreement on those. I could only speculate on the others... the words are out and people noticed
so being in this nice discussion why dont you try to explain
why do you have to undermine the great results in an Alder Lake review with
this sentence? "Later in 2022, Intel will be competing with AMD's Ryzen 6000"
how does it reflect any reality in the time of review? does it look to you like a "consumers, wait for AMD dont buy this CPU yet" message or not?
 

Steve

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so being in this nice discussion why dont you try to explain
why do you have to undermine the great results in an Alder Lake review with
this sentence? "Later in 2022, Intel will be competing with AMD's Ryzen 6000"
how does it reflect any reality in the time of review? does it look to you like a "consumers, wait for AMD dont buy this CPU yet" message or not?
Because it's a fact 🤷‍♂️
 

Steve

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then write it in every article! tell 3090 owners there will be new radeons in 2 years which will probably beat their cards. its an obvious fact nobody wants/needs to read.
its just bias BS
I mean that's just childish. The relevance here being that Intel had taken a really nice step forward and we were now recommending their CPUs to those looking at purchasing. But it's also worth nothing that they are competing with products that have been on the market for a year and are set to be replaced this year.

We often point this out when new products are on the horizon. Not 2 years, but rather that same year.
 
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bviktor

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I miss the performance / watt charts in these articles. That'd show just how much better AMD is...
 

godrilla

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I just wend to AMD website directly the 5800x3d is in stock FYI. If I wanted to the bias I would leave out the this source too 😳!