Here's yet another look at the Ryzen 7 5800X3D with a big 40 game benchmark, but this time we've prepared a shootout against the more affordable and competitive Core i7-12700KF.
https://www.techspot.com/review/2458-ryzen-5800x3D-vs-core-i7-12700/
Here's yet another look at the Ryzen 7 5800X3D with a big 40 game benchmark, but this time we've prepared a shootout against the more affordable and competitive Core i7-12700KF.
https://www.techspot.com/review/2458-ryzen-5800x3D-vs-core-i7-12700/
It might (not guaranteed though) pull ahead further with the next gen of CPU that might move the ‚GPU bound‘ resolution by one tier, I.e. 1080p - 1440p, 1440p -> 4K but that‘s assuming you get a higher end graphics card.The 5800x3d is a really interesting part, honestly I think its lead will continue to grow as the years drag on.
They added a bit of cache, underclocked the CPU, raised the price, and called it "the best gaming CPU"...I'm not sure what AMD did to you but they must have crapped in your corn flakes lol. You are so pro Intel & Nvidia now days what happened to those days where you were totally unbiased and just did reviews for the sake of doing reviews and showing us the pro's and cons of a product. You give credit to the Intel CPU when it got spanked by saying it gave a good showing and yet it got spanked. If AMD beats Intel by 8-10 FPS you say it's neck and neck when clearly it's not. Anyways I'm done lol
The problem is that they completely ignored the 6GB advantage that the 6800 XT has over the RTX 3080 saying that "The future is uncertain so we're talking about NOW." and now they're changing that mantra to again be in favour of someone other than AMD. I got my 6800 XT because I play the long game and 16GB tops 10GB in the long-term by a huge margin.They added a bit of cache, underclocked the CPU, raised the price, and called it "the best gaming CPU"...
They neglected to mention it can't be upgraded in the future, can't be OC'd, and can be matched in performance by Intel CPUs that cost far less...
Where's the problem?
One could even say that it's less so even right now. The framerates offered by the RX 6800 (and every card above it) are right in the sweet spot now for 1440p and that's with current processors. Hell, even my R5-3600X doesn't really need an upgrade (which is why I haven't upgraded it yet).Incredible chip, thanks for including the performance vs. 5800x as well. I think for high refresh gaming it's a huge deal but for high res gaming e.g. the way monitors are going towards 4k with next gen gpu coming, probably less so
When Zen2 (or let's say, AMD x570 chipset launched) there were also Radeon RX 5000 -series GPUs launched around same time. Both x570 and RX 5000 -series support PCIe 4.0 so basically there was use for PCIe 4.0.Not a single mention of PCIe5. But when Zen 2 launched with PCIe4 it was talked about everywhere, even written on the box of the CPUs.
Not saying any gamer needs PCIe5. But we said the same about PCIe4 at the time and then AMD released a bunch of GPUs with 4X or 8X PCIe4 lanes that suffered on PCIe3 or lower boards.
I believe it because PCI-Express v4.0 wasn't even that old when PCI-Express v5.0 came out. I seem to remember that when PCI-Express v3.0 came out, even with the huge length of time that PCI-E v2.0 was en vogue, v3 was still a complete waste of time for the first couple years of its existence.As for cut down PCIe lanes, those who are using older hardware with no PCIe 4.0 support, should look other cards. PCIe 4.0 x8 is more than enough for AMD cards that only have x8 PCIe interface. Prepare to see PCIe 5.0 x8 cards too.
The problem is that they completely ignored the 6GB advantage that the 6800 XT has over the RTX 3080 saying that "The future is uncertain so we're talking about NOW." and now they're changing that mantra to again be in favour of someone other than AMD. I got my 6800 XT because I play the long game and 16GB tops 10GB in the long-term by a huge margin.
However, that didn't affect their analysis in the least as they still recommended the RTX 3080 over the RX 6800 XT despite it costing hundreds more (at the time). They specifically said that they weren't talking about the future but here they are, talking about it now that it's not in AMD's favour. They didn't even mention it in the beginning. I'm guessing that quite a few people (myself included) called them out for ignoring the massive 6GB VRAM advantage on the Radeons.
I don't blame Rocky for calling them biased because it certainly does appear that they're willing to use the future against AMD but not for it. Consistency is key when you're doing reviews. What is valuable (or not) in one category should also be valuable (or not) in another, especially when the categories are so closely related like with CPUs and GPUs. When there is inconsistency in what is considered valuable and it always seems to skew in one direction (in both cases, AWAY from AMD), it's usually a result of bias.
Maybe nVidia's blacklisting made them more afraid than they'll admit. I mean, after what nVidia did, I would have expected their bias to be in the opposite direction. I know that it would be for me, no matter who did it.
Maybe nVidia's blacklisting made them more afraid than they'll admit. I mean, after what nVidia did, I would have expected their bias to be in the opposite direction. I know that it would be for me, no matter who did it.
Not a single mention of PCIe5. But when Zen 2 launched with PCIe4 it was talked about everywhere, even written on the box of the CPUs.
Not saying any gamer needs PCIe5. But we said the same about PCIe4 at the time and then AMD released a bunch of GPUs with 4X or 8X PCIe4 lanes that suffered on PCIe3 or lower boards.
You can buy it right now, Newegg.com for example. Is stock more limited than we'd like? Yes, but also welcome to 2021... I mean 2022.Another non-existent CPU from AMD and another biased comparison artic
5900x is $399 and the 3D is $491.... I know what I’d be buying...You can buy it right now, Newegg.com for example. Is stock more limited than we'd like? Yes, but also welcome to 2021... I mean 2022.
Is your argument here that when a product is extremely popular it doesn't really exist?
Finally just because I'd love to know on a personal level, who is this comparison 'biased' towards? Thank you in advance.
Yeah hard to say on that one. If you want maximum fps for competitive shooters, race sims, RTS titles and so on the 5800X3D is the obvious option.5900x is $399 and the 3D is $491.... I know what I’d be buying...
If you want max FPS for maybe 6 months.... but why pay $500?!? For the majority of users, the 5900x will game just as well, will be superior in every other aspect - and cost almost $100 less.Yeah hard to say on that one. If you want maximum fps for competitive shooters, race sims, RTS titles and so on the 5800X3D is the obvious option.
If you're interested in core heavy productivity as well as gaming, the 5900X is the better choice.
I'm not going to argue either way with you, the fact is if you want the fastest possible gaming performance in the AM4 socket the 5800X3D is it. The 5900X is really for a different use case, at no point do I expect the 5900X to be better for gaming, and really longevity isn't the concern anyway.If you want max FPS for maybe 6 months.... but why pay $500?!? For the majority of users, the 5900x will game just as well, will be superior in every other aspect - and cost almost $100 less.
But unless you just MUST upgrade your Ryzen now, waiting for next gen would be smarter.
In this case for right now, Ryzen 9 5900X Amazon's Choice down by -31% $393.65I'm not going to argue either way with you, the fact is if you want the fastest possible gaming performance in the AM4 socket the 5800X3D is it. The 5900X is really for a different use case, at no point do I expect the 5900X to be better for gaming, and really longevity isn't the concern anyway.
Flagship gaming CPUs aren't anything new and while I well and truly recognize that they're not for all games and that most gamers don't need them, that doesn't mean they're not the fastest option for those that want them.
Longevity SHOULD be a concern as you won’t be able to upgrade the cpu on this chipset past the 5950… the 5900 will clearly give you a far better bang for the buck in almost all cases.I'm not going to argue either way with you, the fact is if you want the fastest possible gaming performance in the AM4 socket the 5800X3D is it. The 5900X is really for a different use case, at no point do I expect the 5900X to be better for gaming, and really longevity isn't the concern anyway.
Flagship gaming CPUs aren't anything new and while I well and truly recognize that they're not for all games and that most gamers don't need them, that doesn't mean they're not the fastest option for those that want them.