Sam Altman says four years is too long for college as AI tears up the traditional career path

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Big quote: Is four years too long for a college degree? Sam Altman certainly thinks so. The OpenAI boss recently said that this length of time is more than what the world requires. He added that two years was "the exact right amount of time" for him, and the same may be true for others.

Speaking during a surprise appearance at Internapalooza, a networking event for technology interns hosted by investor Cory Levy, Altman talked about the two years he spent at Stanford and why he felt he didn't need to complete the standard four years. "I think I learned a lot, and it would have been like vastly diminishing returns," he explained.

Altman added that "I've sort of thought that maybe the way the world has evolved, college just shouldn't be as long as it is." But he admitted that it was still "great to meet people and kind of like live on your own and get to work on projects."

Altman dropped out of Stanford after two years in 2005, leaving to co-found Loopt, the location-based social networking mobile app, which was one of the first participants in Y Combinator.

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Altman said that completing two more years of college "would have not been that great."

"So, I was very happy with how it went, but you don't get to run the experiment twice," he said, adding that he knew a lot of people who never went to college but have still "done great."

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It feels a bit ironic to hear the person who played one of the biggest parts in kickstarting the AI revolution telling a room full of interns that they don't really need four years at college. Summer internships are one of the many areas being killed off by AI as automation handles the tasks interns were traditionally given. Tech internships have dropped 30% since 2023, while the percentage of recent graduates being hired at major tech firms has also fallen to 7%.

Then there are the tens of thousands of jobs that have been lost due to AI, either directly through jobs being automated or companies cutting payrolls as they invest billions into AI infrastructure. Maybe Altman has a point that people don't need four years in college these days – going in the first place might soon be pointless.

Altman also advised any budding entrepreneurs not to spend too much time and effort on trying to be taken seriously. "You can sort of get a long way in life and career just by doing stuff," he said. "And I think this is much more true now than ever before. You can make a whole startup kind of by yourself in a room with a lot of AI tokens, but not much else."

He also said that there are instances where hiring others makes sense. "If you were trying to do enterprise sales to a big, stodgy, old company, then it kind of does," he said. "And after trying and failing to get taken seriously in that specific way for a while, I was like, 'I'm just going to hire a 50-year-old.'"

Other big tech industry names share Altman's view of college being less important today. Google co-founder Sergey Brin said in January that the tech giant had hired many people without bachelor's degrees, illustrating a broader point on how the college diploma is losing its hold on Silicon Valley.

There was also Nvidia boss Jensen Huang's claim in 2024 that generative AI meant young people didn't need to learn coding. But the most famous example is Peter Thiel, who founded the Thiel Fellowship, a two-year program that awards $250,000 to people aged 22 or younger who agree to skip or leave college while working full-time on a project.

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College could be shorter if the average high school graduate wasn’t so under-educated.

(Eliminating useless classes is a separate topic that is more about eliminating useless majors than shortening college.)
The modern college system has many problems, one being a for profit system. In no way don't see any modern college providing $30,000 a year of value. But college is more about learning about independence and who we are as adults than it is strictly just getting an education. Most colleges should only be like $10k/year and half the classes are fubar. otherwise you're better off going to a community college and getting a few in demand technical certifications on top of an associates
 
The n of 1 exceptionalist generalizes for the remainder of the population? Why do we enable his platform for profit and gain of power?
 
Why does he think we would care about his thoughts ?
Because spoiler alert, I think most of us don't.
Is he so rich he thinks we are all eager to hear or read anything from him from day to day ?
 
Why does he think we would care about his thoughts ?
Because spoiler alert, I think most of us don't.
Is he so rich he thinks we are all eager to hear or read anything from him from day to day ?
Because people keep asking him questions.

Never understood why celebrities are asked so many about things they obviously have no clue about it. Those often were more opinion pieces though.
Now we're giving rich people the same celebrity treatment but because they made their own money some people seem to think they're experts at everything.

Kinda miss the days actual experts were interviewed (professors and such) and asked interesting questions. They actually offered insights.
Even expert interviews nowadays don't seem to offer much, half of them are self proclaimed experts and part of the other half got a degree from what seems to be clown college.
 
Its not to long if you actually want to be competent in your chosen field. I am an engineer and I need to be smart enough to know when AI gets it wrong. Shortening the length of study will just turn professionals into professional button pushers that have no clue if the AI outputs are correct. I think society needs smarter people not dumber ones.
 
Two years at Stanford might have been enough for Sam Altman, but survivor bias is doing some extremely heavy lifting here. Dropping out to build a startup works considerably better when the startup works.
 
....and you can guarantee all those answering "Yes!" to the above will be younger folk, who just want to get on the treadmill and start "earning big" ASAP.

That's IF there's any jobs FOR them to accept after the in-progress A.I employment massacre has run its course..

(Where are you, Endymio? I'm waiting for my "smack-down" here..!!)

Lol!
 
You learn more than book knowledge in college. Those social skills you learn are far more important I would argue? You won't do very well in a company if you can't fit in with your peers. No, I don't mean the partying part. I mean the interactions you have during group studies. It's super important.
 
The modern college system has many problems, one being a for profit system. In no way don't see any modern college providing $30,000 a year of value. But college is more about learning about independence and who we are as adults than it is strictly just getting an education. Most colleges should only be like $10k/year and half the classes are fubar. otherwise you're better off going to a community college and getting a few in demand technical certifications on top of an associates
It depends on what you want to do. Some careers benefit from Ivy College, some from college, some from technical college, and some from things other than college (apprenticeships, family businesses, etc.)

The biggest thing driving up college cost are the government-approved, non-bankrupt-escapable loans available to students.

The second biggest is administrative growth. Some of this is due to ever increasing regulation paperwork, but most is the broken incentives at colleges. Even during down times when Dean's and Provosts are calling for belt tightening from faculty, they still have money for expanding their own staff and budgets.
 
It depends on what you want to do. Some careers benefit from Ivy College, some from college, some from technical college, and some from things other than college (apprenticeships, family businesses, etc.)

The biggest thing driving up college cost are the government-approved, non-bankrupt-escapable loans available to students.

The second biggest is administrative growth. Some of this is due to ever increasing regulation paperwork, but most is the broken incentives at colleges. Even during down times when Dean's and Provosts are calling for belt tightening from faculty, they still have money for expanding their own staff and budgets.
Well there are lots of stupid career paths that colleges are more than happy to give you a degree for. I went to very good highschool and it felt like my first two years in college were actually easier than the classes I took on highschool. I also see some really stupid degrees that I would probably catch a ban for even talking about. As you might imagine I find myself talking to HR often and I just sit there thinking that I can solve differentials in my head she makes more than me with a literal music appreciation degree.

Although it be fair I only lose my **** for good reasons. My nose recent snap out was beating an apprentice with his hardhat for smoking near the acetylene canisters. He doesn't work for us anymore. Our insurance company thinks I was justified and that seems to be the only people HR has to answer to.
 
Well there are lots of stupid career paths that colleges are more than happy to give you a degree for. I went to very good highschool and it felt like my first two years in college were actually easier than the classes I took on highschool. I also see some really stupid degrees that I would probably catch a ban for even talking about. As you might imagine I find myself talking to HR often and I just sit there thinking that I can solve differentials in my head she makes more than me with a literal music appreciation degree.

Although it be fair I only lose my **** for good reasons. My nose recent snap out was beating an apprentice with his hardhat for smoking near the acetylene canisters. He doesn't work for us anymore. Our insurance company thinks I was justified and that seems to be the only people HR has to answer to.
Oh yeah, after we decided going to college was a "right" and loaned money to students to pay for it regardless of if their chosen path had any chance of paying it back, useless degrees abounded.

My experience is most of the first two years is at the above average to good high school level (depending on the college). An advantage to a very good HS these days is you can get college credit for most of that and skip a lot of it.

Pay often is usually about what you do rather than your skill, intelligence, or degrees. (e.g., An 1diot executive that flunked out will make more than a genius janitor with a doctorate)
 
Now wait just a minute! We can't reduce college degrees to just two years!
What would these colleges do without all of that wasted money coming in? LOL
 
So he was a *****, and he still is a *****, therefore, 2 years was the perfect length, because reasons.

Ok I guess.
 
College could be shorter if the average high school graduate wasn’t so under-educated.

(Eliminating useless classes is a separate topic that is more about eliminating useless majors than shortening college.)
It's too bad everyone can't afford to go to a private prep-school before going to college for this very reason, like Sam Altman did.

I haven't seen a politician who's been elected on a platform of improving public education to prepare people who graduate high school to enter the work force.
 
Yeah right... The first two years in college merely entail writing endless essays, drinking beer and getting laid. Get rid of them. /s
 
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It's too bad everyone can't afford to go to a private prep-school before going to college for this very reason, like Sam Altman did.

I haven't seen a politician who's been elected on a platform of improving public education to prepare people who graduate high school to enter the work force.
There are good public schools and an increasing number of good charter schools (still free but privately run).

But in general public schools are bad for a number of reasons:
- The flawed ideas of self esteem, "self truth" over "mean" grading, standardized testing, etc.
- We "fixed" bad graduation rates by passing kids regardless of learning.
- Teaching unions are a strong political force that funnel money and votes to politicians that put teachers above students. (Parents tend to be less organized politically)

But the biggest one is the lack of incentives for schools to be good for the students instead of winning the favor of a few politicians.

There are many private schools that cost the same per student but get much better results and are much more responsive to parents that can take their kid and money elsewhere. Public schools get your money even if you do take you kid elsewhere so why should they care if the student does well or parents are mad?
 
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