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Sony targets GeoHot and team over PS3 root key hack

By Jos · 27 replies
Jan 12, 2011
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  1. Sony has filed a legal complaint against famed hacker George “GeoHot” Hotz and the fail0verflow team, which earlier this month managed to crack the PS3 root key and began spreading a modified firmware that allows homebrew apps and pirated software to run on unmodded consoles.

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  2. realista69

    realista69 TS Rookie

    If the root key is exposed then Sony best come up with a way to follow the market and make some profits from this embarrassment. It makes no sense to do anything but go with the flow, they have already lost. No matter the case their software/hardware has been jail broke.

    the only thing they can really do is quit support for the PS3 which wont happen. Just create apps so the ones who are gonna play hombrew etc can do so without causing Sony's name to be drug through the mud, kinda like create a virtual environment and allow players to develop games. Nothing can be done but to acknowledge the failure and accept what future hackers are gonna do with you hardware. Curve the market don't slam against it, you will loose Sony and only create more havoc for your reputation.
  3. PS4 due soon !
  4. Sony should hire this guy!!!
  5. foreverzero89

    foreverzero89 TS Enthusiast Posts: 211

    apps? news flash: the ps3 isn't a smart phone, its a gaming rig.
  6. This article is innacurate as currently no back-up manager works with Geohots jailbreak, meaning there is no piracy, Geohot is 100% against it.
  7. Jos

    Jos TS Evangelist Topic Starter Posts: 3,073   +97

    @Guest there's already a report about Castlevania: Lords of Shadow being run on a PS3 with GeoHot's firmware. I'm sure others will follow. Af far as the being 100% against piracy claim, it doesn't matter if that's true or just something to cover his ***, by making the root key public others can pick up from there and work on a back up manager.
  8. My major concern is that these hacks will open the doors to cheaters in online games. Ruining highscore tables and griefing other players looking to have fun.
    I understand the outrage over OtherOS, but instead of petitioning to get it back; these hackers have potentially opened the doors to ruining online gaming for ps3 owner's the world over.
    It's really disappointing because PSN was a good thing.
  9. Cota

    Cota TS Enthusiast Posts: 512   +8

    Like i said before, a bunch of guys cant fight all the hackers in the world, they should really hire guys like this one. Some companies offer a GENEROUS price if their products get hacked, SONY should stick to this plan.
  10. This reminds me of the debacle that is the PSP. When it was released it was far superior to anything else that was out there, but Sony slowly killed it with the constant "upgrades" that prevented home brew. Now it looks as though they will do the same thing to the PS3.
  11. Benny26

    Benny26 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,376   +52

    Alot of rumours are saying 2011 to 2014...Feels way too early for my liking.
  12. "Alot of rumours are saying 2011 to 2014...Feels way too early for my liking."

    It's actually right on time!

    Playstation: 1994
    Playstation 2: 2000
    Playstation 3: 2006

    Nintendo: 1985'ish
    Super Nes: 1990
    N64: 1996
    Gamecube: 2001
    Wii: 2006

    Xbox: 2001
    Xbox 360: 2005

    All the consoles have followed a 4-6 years life cycle for quite some time!
  13. Benny26

    Benny26 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,376   +52

    Hmmm..Yeah ok ok, but the PS3 is far more sophisticated than the other PS consoles, and i don't think it's quite been "out lived" yet...
  14. Trillionsin

    Trillionsin TS Evangelist Posts: 1,745   +360

    Sony did aim at a consol that wouldnt be outdated so quickly, but in the case of pirating, they may change their mind about that.
  15. Also didn't MS and Sony say they are looking for a 10 year product cycle with the PS3 and Xbox 360.
  16. Homebrew is a good thing for consoles but it opens up the system for piracy. I know Geohotz stated that its not his intention for piracy but he must have realized that other hackers will use his information and use it for Piracy. He should have just hacked his system, show it to the world that the system is hacked and running homebrew without releasing any information on how he did it. If he took that route, Sony would have gladly asked him to work for them.

    For those who say, "Good Sony deserves it" probably owns a ps3. If piracy goes rampant on this console, you guys will also suffer because the PS3 will be useless to you once Sony stop supporting it and developer stop making games for it. When that happen there wont be any new games left for you to pirate.
    Big Corp loves it when you expose the flaws in their products without compromising their cash flow that way they can improve on it. I hope sony only releasing a TRO and not try to sue these guys for money because if Sony choose the latter, we would expect Geohotz, and FailoverFlow to release Firmware that can screw sony over even more.

    Words to the Wise Sony, Just get a TRO on these guys if you know whats best for you. You dont want to piss off people who can potentially screw you even more because they have nothing to lose where as you have a entire corporation to lose. The smart thing to do is to ask for their help on how can this be minimized. These are smart individuals, if they can hack your system they will know a way to fix it or minimize the damage.
  17. Tanstar

    Tanstar TS Evangelist Posts: 656   +200

    So since it's now possible to pirate PS3 games, you think developers will quit making games for it? Lots more pirating on the PC and it still gets games. Just going to make games for the X-Box 360 and . . . the Wii? Ha!
  18. Richy2k9

    Richy2k9 TS Enthusiast Posts: 513

    hello ...

    SONY can't hire GeoHot for would be like a government to surrender to terrorism !

    GeoHot is paradoxically Intelligent & a fool (sorry i don't want to be rude here to anyone, not even to him) .. for like some said, if ONLY he showed he could crack the system without releasing anything to the world, then would have proved how great hacker he is but still a mature one, then i would have hired him if i were SONY or MS or any other gaming competitor...NOW he'll be seen as a public enemy & i personally feel like he should pay a big fine or be jailed for this.

    Hacking for homebrew has always been a hypocritical definition for pirating a system, what kind of homebrew do we want on the PS3 when it's easier & free on PC, the best development & gaming platform ever! I said so on a Playstation related site, what are we looking for: fart , scanner & torch light simulators !? If homebrew brings a whole new OS for the PS3 without stealing from others & not just Linux distros, i would say great you know how to use this machine. If it brings games like the smallest indie ones, would still be cool, but we can still dream ... this hack will bring piracy & nothing else!

    I wish SONY can control this, that Geohot do grow up & other hackers wannabe learns that it's not just to show off, but a big responsibility & in their place i would seek respect not fame, then both will come with wealth & support from the big companies.

    chase them down SONY / MS / Nintendo & Games developers !!! I would advise all game developers to sue people owning illegal copies on their system & to each copy add a new case against any hackers involved in the process of letting this to happen ...

  19. it just a threat.

    I doesnt violate a law. there are no modifications done. What he only did is to release the root key which isn't violating laws. Sony has the money to hire attorneys to make you feel like an ant in this world.
  20. "I doesnt violate a law. there are no modifications done."

    You have no clue what the Digital Millennium Copyright Act actually is, do you? Any means of circumventing system security, and that includes revealing the master key to the general public, is a violation of copyright law, and has been for over a decade.
  21. Richy2k9

    Richy2k9 TS Enthusiast Posts: 513

    hello ...

    reverse-engineering a hardware or software is illegal ! you own the physical component you purchase & have the right to you it as intended by the inventors / publishers ... but in any way you own the concept, content or the right to exploit it!

  22. Burty117

    Burty117 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 3,354   +1,135

  23. kakarot27

    kakarot27 TS Member Posts: 80

    wait jailbreaking is proven legal....so i dont really see how this is ilegal. they really dont have a case against him if its the same as much as i think it is :p. i mean jailbreaking also introduced cracked applications but its not exactly his fault people used it in this way. i don't really know but i would love someone to explain this to me! why are the different? "sue people owning illegal copies" whenever i think about this i think about how i get cracked things for free....do you really thing game developer have the time and money to sue everyone with ilegal copies???? do you know how many millions of people they would have to sue to get pretty much nowhere? i also remember how france tried something like this and just find that their piracy rate has gone up.
  24. Richy2k9

    Richy2k9 TS Enthusiast Posts: 513

    hello ...

    @ kakarot27 - you are talking about the Hadopi law ! ...

    yes it is having the Streisand effect, the developers can sue a few & still win cases for the sale / purchase or detention of an illegal copy ... it cost more yet but can be an example ..

    Oh, i think it's about time people grow up & buy what they need & look for cheap alternatives if they can't .. stop stealing hard people work & be proud to play a game, listen to music or watch a movie...

    all are pretext & hypocrisy ... nothing good in piracy

  25. geohot is not as hot as he would have other believe.he rides the backs of others and try's to claim fame.he is a wannabee..just like with the iphone he has added 1 or 2 little implemints to someone elses accomplishments ..and the runs screaming look at what i did!!
    sony should hire him then expose him for the fraud he is!!

    and dont you guys know that these major corps. love it when they get there stuff hacked dont you relize how much money microsoft generates from it pirates..everytime they do a bann wave ..75% of banned users go buy a new console..and what do it all again as towhere these users would not normally need a new console for a couple years where microsft has made it towhere a million banned a year go buy consoles. every year.. not mention the crippled hard drive- hard drive sales..

    come on pepes open your eyes...do you know how many ps3's just got sold because of this..i know alot of xbox people are even running out and grabbing ps3's. at this very moment!!

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