This $23,000 custom PC features two RTX 3090 cards, an AMD 3990X Threadripper, and 128GB...
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VitalyT
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Monster? It is a complete rip-off. Consider that DELL is selling AlienWare Aurora 10, with RTX 3090, Ryzen 5950x (16-core) and 128GB DDR4-3200, for just $5000.
So this company adds one more RTX3090, bumps CPU to the pointless old 64-core, and then more than quadruples the price, to $23,000? They are thieves!
So this company adds one more RTX3090, bumps CPU to the pointless old 64-core, and then more than quadruples the price, to $23,000? They are thieves!
It's a rip-off but comparing 5950x to 3990x is apples to oranges. 5950x doesn't even have enough PCI-E lanes to support the dual x16 here, not to mention for their use case 64 core might totally make sense and at least much faster than 5950x. Gaming is NOT the only use case.
VitalyT
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I think you are confusing professional workstations and gaming rigs. There is no game that take benefit of that 64-core CPU.
And if you want to take gaming out of the equation, you will find that even DELL offers better deals these days:
Never mind the euro price, because in US it is offered for under $19,000 USD.
That's dual 24-core Xeons, plus dual Quadro RTX 8000, plus 192GB of RAM.
I still think that $23,000 for that confused configuration is an absolute rip-off.
Worth noting that with DELL you will have proper warranty, unlike when dealing with small companies.
As I said, I agreed that $23000 is outrageous. But looks like it's you who are confusing professional workstations and gaming rigs. You can't use 5950x as an example for cheaper professional workstations because it doesn't even have enough PCI-E lanes to begin with.I think you are confusing professional workstations and gaming rigs. There is no game that take benefit of that 64-core CPU.
And if you want to take gaming out of the equation, you will find that even DELL offers better deals these days:
Never mind the euro price, because in US it is offered for under $19,000 USD.
That's dual 24-core Xeons, plus dual Quadro RTX 8000, plus 192GB of RAM.
I still think that $23,000 for that confused configuration is an absolute rip-off.
Ravey
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I bet most of the cost was the Labour to have four men walk it down the stairs lol!!
I tell you something mind, if I had money to burn like that I would probably get a crazy build like this too!
I just hope the buyer can earn back the money spent on the rig through whatever it is he ends up using it for.
Yea, I'm betting a lot of it went to labor too. I'm betting the buyer didn't care about burning the money.I bet most of the cost was the Labour to have four men walk it down the stairs lol!!
I tell you something mind, if I had money to burn like that I would probably get a crazy build like this too!
I just hope the buyer can earn back the money spent on the rig through whatever it is he ends up using it for.
Squid Surprise
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When someone puts down $23,000 and says "give me the best you can with this".... You know they don't really care about wasting their hard-earned cash....
Depending on the scruples of the company, you may or may not get your money's worth... If this was a used car dealership, you'd be lucky to walk away with a 1978 Ford Tempo....
While it seems like a ton of money for us peons - $23,000 really isn't that much in the enterprise world.
If you look at similar uber workstations, you'll seem them selling for about 15-20k... and they're not individually crafted with custom water cooling.
Lastly, for those of you judging the efficacy of the cooling systems solely on a couple of pictures - perhaps the system builders know something you don't?
This is a three-dimensional object you're judging on a few 2D pics...
Depending on the scruples of the company, you may or may not get your money's worth... If this was a used car dealership, you'd be lucky to walk away with a 1978 Ford Tempo....
While it seems like a ton of money for us peons - $23,000 really isn't that much in the enterprise world.
If you look at similar uber workstations, you'll seem them selling for about 15-20k... and they're not individually crafted with custom water cooling.
Lastly, for those of you judging the efficacy of the cooling systems solely on a couple of pictures - perhaps the system builders know something you don't?
This is a three-dimensional object you're judging on a few 2D pics...
"The buyer said they would use the PC for 3D scanning, CAD programs, and manufacturing, in addition to gaming."
This is why it pays to read the ENTIRE article
If I had the money, I'd totally buy something similar.... I render a lot of video and get impatient waiting... this beast would probably finish my projects in seconds instead of minutes or hours...
Maybe when Threadripper 5000 or 6000 comes out...
To be fair, you don't need gen 4 SSD's to do that kind of work.
High Gen 3 SSD speeds would do just fine and they would be almost comparable to Gen 4.
But to be fair, 2TB nvME Gen 4 SSD costs about $400.
That's $800 for 4TB total of Gen4 Nvme.
$630 for 128GB RAM (3600MhZ DDR4).
The 3990X costs $4000
2x 3090 = about $3000 (at MSRP)
Mobo costs about $600 (less really, but lets round it to this).
That all costs $9030 (not including the power supply, cooler, case, monitor, or kb and mouse).
At max... I'd think you can spend another $1000 to get all those and assemble the thing for $10 030 total.
1600W power supply costs about $200.
A liquid cooling for TR would max out at $250.
A 144Hz 4k monitor costs about $450.
Kb and mouse are cheap and you can easily get those and the case for $130
So, my question would be... where is all that other $13000 going to?
Squid Surprise
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”Need” and “want” are not to be confused here.... No one NEEDS this type of build... this is all about WANT - and the ability to spend whatever it costs to get it.
As for your post... the monitor isn't actually included in his build - but I'd assume he'd want more than 1... triple professional 4k monitors could easily run almost 10k on their own, depending on the quality...
And if I'm spending vast quantities of cash, I'm not getting gen 3 SSDs... Money is clearly no object here, give me Gen 4!
Now... let's price out this build ACCURATELY... I'm not sure where you're drawing your prices from, but I'll use Newegg...
CPU = $4000
https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-th...re=3990-_-19-113-620-_-Product&quicklink=true
Motherboard = $650 (Not sure how you thought it was less than $600 - also, I'd be putting in the Asus ROG Zenith Extreme Alpha which is closer to $800)
https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-trx...SIGNARE-_-13-145-174-_-Product&quicklink=true
RAM = $800 (Honestly not sure why he didn’t go with 256GB)
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-128g...NEO RAM-_-20-374-002-_-Product&quicklink=true
SSDs = $750
https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-aor...s Gen 4-_-20-009-013-_-Product&quicklink=true
GPUs = $4400 (Yes, they’re all out of stock, but they’re all selling for about $2200 if you could buy them)
https://www.newegg.com/asus-geforce...TX 3090&cm_re=RTX_3090-_-14-126-454-_-Product
Case = $1000 (Yes, it’s a ripoff, but it’s also the biggest, and one of the most expensive cases there is. Also, let’s not forget they modded the crap out of it in order to accommodate this build.)
https://www.newegg.com/p/2AM-001E-0...00d-_-9SIAKWFE2T2817-_-Product&quicklink=true
Power Supply = $750 (Edit – forgot to include this!)
https://www.newegg.com/evga-superno...w_power-_-17-438-191-_-Product&quicklink=true
Water Cooling + Fans + Cool stuff = At LEAST $3,000 – They’ve got a few EK Water blocks (almost $200 each), the $1000 Quantum Reflection Plate Combo, and a bunch of display thingies, 18 Corsair fans (3-pack’s about $125, so $750 for just the fans!), 3 pumps (3 x $150 each) not to mention pipes, temperature monitors, security door, etc…
https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=EK+Quantum+Reflection+1000D
https://www.newegg.com/p/37B-000B-0...cks-_-37B-000B-003H6-_-Product&quicklink=true
https://www.newegg.com/corsair-co-9... fan&cm_re=corsair_fan-_-35-181-168-_-Product
https://www.newegg.com/p/2BJ-004M-0...&cm_re=EK_D5 pumps-_-9SIA9DECMU1780-_-Product
Now, that totals over $15,000 ($15,350 if you make the last section $3000, but I suspect it would be substantially higher…
And let’s not forget LABOUR – even if you think that Aftershock is charging too much, there is always going to be SOME sort of fee to build this. The case alone took a week of modding…. That’s got to be worth $1-2,000…
So…. It’s actually not really overpriced at all… it’s 1 of a kind, took a crazy amount of time to build, and has some really nice parts (Once again, I agree with the poster above who wondered why he didn’t go with 256GB of RAM… I mean, come on, it’s just another $800 or so!
So let's forget the hate/jealousy and just marvel that someone actually made this
Edit: Oops, forgot the power supply... added $750 EVGA Supernova
They are of use to the person that bought them and me as we are people that use computers for more than just gaming. Compute functions still work across multiple GPUs, I game for fun but use my computer a 3970X for engineering and software development.
Shadowboxer
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Tbh the 3090 is actually now relevant for Minecraft RTX. Something I have now played well over 1000 hours of. It’s basic graphics with the most amazing lighting I have ever seen in any game. If you’re a minecrafter and you get used to RTX it’s very difficult to go back to vanilla. It’s crazy how that addition turned one of the easiest games to run into one of most demanding games out there.
Obvs don’t buy this pc with your own money. Get your boss to buy it for you. And don’t actually use it to play minecraft...
Obvs don’t buy this pc with your own money. Get your boss to buy it for you. And don’t actually use it to play minecraft...
I doubt their uses case is gaming. In which case if they are using them for Compute (single precision) then have more than one GPU is useful.
Squid Surprise
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Try reading my post a couple up... in short... you’re wrong
But look at the rest of the components. Case is overpriced. You can buy others which are very similar, but much cheaper. Water cooling.... total ripoff. Even that power supply is overpriced, you can find similar for $250.
They deliberately used the most expensive parts, not because they are best, but because they have the highest margin.
Unfortunately, they screwed up. I've heard there's a case made for UAE sheik's and princes which is covered in gold. I'm surprised they didn't use that one. Or at least gold-plated RAM. Because it's well known that gold is excellent thermal conductor. I'm sure they'll do better next time.
Squid Surprise
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They used the best components - when someone gives you $23,000 to build a PC, it would be criminal to use cheap ones.... name me a case as big as the Corsair 1000d that is substantially cheaper by the way...
And once again, ”need“ is not a word you use when building this system!!
And whether or not you feel the parts are over priced... those ARE the prices.... so the margins aren’t going to the builder - they’re going to Corsair, EKWB, AMD, etc....
Squid Surprise
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Did you actually watch his video? He had cracks on his plate but no one else had reported issues... EK sent a replacement and he was all good...he also noted after taking it apart that the cracks were only ugly - there was no danger of leaking...
Athlonite
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Yes I watched the video that's why I posted it, yeah there was no danger of it leaking at the time he discovered it but had it gone one for longer who knows what would have happened with further temperature cycling those cracks may have gotten bigger and started to leak we'll never know because it's been replaced also it's not the only problem EK have with their water cooling gear their Nickle plating seems to suffer from peeling so there's that to watch out for too
Squid Surprise
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You posted it with the message “they tend to crack”... which is NOT the truth!
That one guy’s plate had cosmetic cracks only... when posting something, it’s supposed to prove your point!
You obviously don't know how economy works. They don't sell the parts at the prices they bought them. They buy them at say $2200 and sell them at $3000. Those $800 are their earning. So of course they want to use the most expensive parts they can find, because 25% margin of something expensive is much more than 25% of something cheap.
If the difference between an ultra-expensive part and just expensive is huge, but the performance is the same, then why buy the ultra-expensive? Why not instead buy more of "just expensive"? For example, more RAM, more storage, more powerful PS, etc. That makes sense. Buying something just because it's the most expensive makes no sense.
Squid Surprise
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Boutique PC building companies may get a bit of a bulk discount - but not to any great extent... it’s maybe 2-5% on any given item... It’s not like they’re buying thousands... and this is a 1-off build!
If you were talking about a company like Dell or HP, I’d agree... this is NOT the same thing.
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