U.S. court nixes Net music subpoenas

[agrav8r]

Originally posted by StormBringer
Poert does raise an interesting point though. Let's say you "had" a CD, but you lost it somehow. Now you still have the backup you made, but you do not physically have the original anymore, therefore you cannot prove you ever had it. Unless you kept the original receipt from the purchase, then how would you prove you had bought it to begin with. This raises the question, do you have to prove that you purchased it, or do they have to prove you did not.

They would have to assume innocence, especially if it was only one CD, However if your "acquired" numerous CDs worth of downloads and claimed you lost all of them, they may have a better foot to stand on against the downloader. They would then have to show proof of theft (If you didn't report $200 worth of CDs stolen from you, you're an ***** ) fire, or some other loss. 1 CD or maybe even 3 but above that a story wouldn't fly well.

 

[agrav8r]

Originally posted by chuonthis
I think the music industry intended for consumers to buy a CD and only be able to listen to that one CD. Before burners and DAE, people who wanted to listen to a CD in two places had to buy two copies of it. For now at least, since there is nothing on the CD that actually says otherwise, we are just assuming that we can have as many personal copies of the CD. I really don't think people should be allowed to download a song that is shared illegally just because they own the song on CD. If they wanted the song, they should rip it themselves.

So only the smart or the rich can have an extra copy? That seems awfully discrimintory. i also assume you would be able to tell the differce from a downloaded version and a self ripped copy? Assuming that it is not in the "shared folder"

 

[MrGaribaldi]

Originally posted by chuonthis
I think the music industry intended for consumers to buy a CD and only be able to listen to that one CD. Before burners and DAE, people who wanted to listen to a CD in two places had to buy two copies of it.

Nope... We had those nice analogue tape recorders (do you remember the walkman?)...

But with those the RIAA (after trying to get them stopped in court) found out that the quality was degraded every time it was copied...

Thus the problem of people copying songs from one-another wasn't so big, since after a couple of links removed from the original, the sound got so bad it wasn't worth copying...

But now we've gone digital, with no degradation of the signal... at all!

Got a bit carried away there...

My point is that we're allowed to make quite a few copies/as many copies we like (depending on what country you're in), due to the fair use clause most countries has... So the RIAA knows that they can't get us to buy a cd for every player we want to use it on (though I'd guess that's they're wet dream!), but rather that we'll buy one, and copy it as much as we'd like...

And this the RIAA does not go after... But when you start uploading/downloading from the internet, you've passed a limit, and they'll do anything they can to make you pay... Because if they didn't, they'd have to wake up and see that the world has changed, and that consumers no longer want to buy a cd with 1-2 good songs, with the rest just fillers, for 20-30$ (at least that's the price in Norway)

 

[agrav8r]

Originally posted by MrGaribaldi

Thus the problem of people copying songs from one-another wasn't so big, since after a couple of links removed from the original, the sound got so bad it wasn't worth copying...

But now we've gone digital, with no degradation of the signal... at all!

)

I just read an article in Wired that states that they have been (music industry) distorting the sound quality of music in recent years. They increase loudness, which in turn creates said distortion. Rather intresting I thought. with all the digital ability, they actually are moving away from crisp sound to jumbled mess.

 

[MrGaribaldi]

Incredible!

Now that the movie companies are putting in so much effort into soundquality, we're getting home THX surround systems and people are getting more and more aware of what sound systems they're buying, the studios are increasing distortions?!?

Guess they used "special logic" to conclude that it was a good idea....

 

[Masque]

Originally posted by MrGaribaldi
Guess they used "special logic" to conclude that it was a good idea....

I think it's the same logic the movie and recording industries have been using for years.....hence their current predicaments.

 

[videobruce]

Bill Gates, Jack Valenti..............

masters of the universe!


People with way to much $$ wanting more!

 

[Masque]

Originally posted by videobruce
Bill Gates, Jack Valenti..............

masters of the universe!


People with way to much $$ wanting more!

Capitalism to the Nth degree. puke:

 

[jerrag]

RIAA

Great to see these *****s put down for a few days, but worry not they'll get back to it very soon, all they need is a higher court to say what their doing is OK.

As far as fighting it out in court, have you seen what a lawyer charges per hour lately??

Most of those sued or even threatened look once at what it will cost to defend and make an offer to settle quickly. What one needs is to get the ACLU involved on the side of a defendant.

Possibly we've had it too good for too long as far as shared music is concerned but if they kill it all, I'll sure miss it, and those movies...

 

[Masque]

Re: RIAA

Originally posted by jerrag
Most of those sued or even threatened look once at what it will cost to defend and make an offer to settle quickly. What one needs is to get the ACLU involved on the side of a defendant.

.....and that is what ticks me off the most about them. It's "strictly" scare tactics they're using....it's working with some peeps, but not all. Some ARE fighting and I believe the ACLU has been involved as well. I for one would like to see this whole damn mess come to a conclusion....and a good one for all parties involved.

 

[agissi]

Thats interesting but you know its not "authorized by law", however it will be in a month Doubt this will set much back when it comes to RIAA.

 

[ak_in_charge]

Im glad RIAA got it handed to um. I support file sharing all the way

 

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Lawsuits, counterlawsuits, lawsuits and then some counterlawsuits. More subpoenas, more suing.

The only people who benefit from this are lawyers.

*goes back to listen to Ogg Vorbis files encoded from his real audio CDs*