Valve pulls mass shooter game Hatred from Steam Greenlight

[Guest]

People can cry in favor of this "game" all they want, but show it to the average person walking down a street and I doubt they'll have much good to say about it.

Disgusting.

 

[cmbjive]

Unless you're good at the game... In which case, you can kill wave after wave of police forces until running to hide on a rooftop or under the sea until your wanted level disappears. Ask me how I know...

I tried that swimming technique, but my stamina was too low...You could technically do the same thing in Watch Dogs, but it's harder to pull off swimming since you can't go underwater.

 

[davislane1]

I tried that swimming technique, but my stamina was too low...You could technically do the same thing in Watch Dogs, but it's harder to pull off swimming since you can't go underwater.

I used the submarine......

 

[seefizzle]

The game looks fun. I'm not sure the top down perspective will work great for a shooter but who knows. If they can put together a game that is actually fun to play it'll be a hit. Look at all the press they're getting. No attention is bad attention right? I think it's probably a bad idea to let children play the game but any consenting adult should be able to play the game without guilt.

When you play grand theft auto you run down hookers with your car. Why doesn't that ever turn into people running down hookers with their cars in real life? You would think that with the millions upon millions of people who have played grand theft auto you'd see some of the activities done in the game pop up as trending activities in real life but it simply isn't the case.

I played and still do play some of the most violent games ever made. Manhunt was one of the coolest video game experiences I've ever had. That game was wonderful. Horror games are awesome. There was a game back in the day called The Suffering. It had a storyline that included you killing your own wife and children and depending on your actions in the game, that story would turn out to be true or false. There is no shortage of examples of really crazy and violent games.

Violent video games, and maybe more accurately, HORROR video games are harmless. There are people who like watching horror movies but that doesn't mean they're going to get a knife and start serial killing people at a summer camp. I can't buy this connection between media and real life violence. It's horse sh*t. If there was any truth to it there would be outright glaring evidence of it all over society. There would be rashes of hookers run over, thousands of serial killers, etc.

The way I look at it, I'm glad that there are creative outlets like this game to kill some time and escape the day to day grind.

 

[TheBigFatClown]

The game looks fun. I'm not sure the top down perspective will work great for a shooter but who knows. If they can put together a game that is actually fun to play it'll be a hit. Look at all the press they're getting. No attention is bad attention right? I think it's probably a bad idea to let children play the game but any consenting adult should be able to play the game without guilt.

When you play grand theft auto you run down hookers with your car. Why doesn't that ever turn into people running down hookers with their cars in real life? You would think that with the millions upon millions of people who have played grand theft auto you'd see some of the activities done in the game pop up as trending activities in real life but it simply isn't the case.

I played and still do play some of the most violent games ever made. Manhunt was one of the coolest video game experiences I've ever had. That game was wonderful. Horror games are awesome. There was a game back in the day called The Suffering. It had a storyline that included you killing your own wife and children and depending on your actions in the game, that story would turn out to be true or false. There is no shortage of examples of really crazy and violent games.

Violent video games, and maybe more accurately, HORROR video games are harmless. There are people who like watching horror movies but that doesn't mean they're going to get a knife and start serial killing people at a summer camp. I can't buy this connection between media and real life violence. It's horse sh*t. If there was any truth to it there would be outright glaring evidence of it all over society. There would be rashes of hookers run over, thousands of serial killers, etc.

The way I look at it, I'm glad that there are creative outlets like this game to kill some time and escape the day to day grind.

Does it have to be a trend before you take it seriously? That's a scary thought. One person is on record for having been influenced by AC/DCs song "NightStalker" before actually committing 13 murders. How many were influenced that never got caught or never confessed to the connection. Or are unaware of the connection because it got into their subconscious? So you would say what to that? "Oh, just 13? Well, since it isn't a trend everything is okay then.". I am not for or against complete censorship one way or the other. But don't stick your head all the way down into the sand. Watch your thoughts, they can turn into actions. What your put into your brain isn't always harmless. And even if your normal today you could snap later in life. There are PLENTY of first-person shooters I would recommend to anybody. This just doesn't sound like one of them.

Making universal statements about horror games being harmless is a little naive. The effect is not "exactly the same" for everybody. Be it games, books, movies. But your entitled to your opinions, none the less. Not everybody on planet Earth has it together like you might.

 

[davislane1]

It appears Steam customers have spoken. Hatred has been placed back on Greenlight. http://www.hardcoregamer.com/2014/12/16/hatred-back-on-steam-greenlight/123972/

 

[Hyrax]

Alright, let's start burning books.
Let me explain.
1774 there was published a book by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe called "The Sorrows of Young Werther" which caused a increase of suicides after it was published "the Werther Effect" (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sorrows_of_Young_Werther). It's a miserable book. I read it myself and enjoyed it, but it is miserable especially if you are having romantic problems (which I did and I was a teenager at that time to make matters worse) and I get that this book could be an easy push for some people to suicide. The point is that no matter what medium, be it book, music, painting and games it can influence or give inspiration to some people, but there is hard to draw lines between art - what is acceptable what is not. Art itself does not encourage anyone, it's people that make the choices.
For me the math is pretty simple: 1 000 000 people play a violent game - 1-3 get inspired it and do something violent. I would assume that the game is harmless and the 1-3 people were already on their way to do something violent - no matter what is the trigger.

 

[captainawesome]

Postal was the best! They should redo it in awesome graphics. Same feel but improved storyline.

 

[Guest]

Valve Steam enjoy the hypocrisy of allowing POSTAL but not HATRED

Well the SOBs make tons of money so it is okay

Their puny kingdom, their discretionary laws