"Windows 9" preview set to arrive later this year, will focus on desktop users

[TheBigFatClown]

A quote from this article:

http://www.zdnet.com/windows-thresh...-plan-to-win-over-windows-7-users-7000031070/

"Microsoft is basically "done" with Windows 8.x. Regardless of how usable or functional it is or isn't, it has become Microsoft's Vista 2.0 — something from which Microsoft needs to distance itself, perception-wise. At this point, Microsoft is going full-steam-ahead toward Threshold and will do its best to differentiate that OS release from Windows 8."

I think that pretty sums up this little debate folks. You can stick a big ole fork in Windows 8.x. It's finished. Over, snap back to relaity, oops there goes gravity....yada yada yada. LOL.

Ok course, when Windows 9 "is" released, feel free to "cling" to your lovely Windows 8.

 

[cliffordcooley]

Maybe former "victims" of lousy Windows editions, (Vista, Windows ME, Windows 8), should start one massive support group, "Weepers over Windows", and hold a yearly, "Cry In", at Redmond.

We will call it the "WoW Experience". lol

 

[GeforcerFX]

A quote from this article:

http://www.zdnet.com/windows-thresh...-plan-to-win-over-windows-7-users-7000031070/

"Microsoft is basically "done" with Windows 8.x. Regardless of how usable or functional it is or isn't, it has become Microsoft's Vista 2.0 — something from which Microsoft needs to distance itself, perception-wise. At this point, Microsoft is going full-steam-ahead toward Threshold and will do its best to differentiate that OS release from Windows 8."

I think that pretty sums up this little debate folks. You can stick a big ole fork in Windows 8.x. It's finished. Over, snap back to relaity, oops there goes gravity....yada yada yada. LOL.

Ok course, when Windows 9 "is" released, feel free to "cling" to your lovely Windows 8.

Except every screen shot shown of threshold so far would disagree with the statement at the moment, Modern UI is fully integrated (still) in threshold, and the modern UI can still be used within the little start menu now. Like it or not the modern UI and live tiles are staying, looking at every screen shot and press conference of Threshold has shown me that (good news for me) The start menu they are putting back in for desktop users still looks and operates different then windows 7 so you prob won't like it, just a heads up.

 

[Guest]

I agree totally, I hate the win8 tiles, and have barely seen them since adopting the OS. As far as I'm concerned, it's a fast and stable.

 

[ET3D]

I wish that Microsoft will give tablet users more attention. I have a Windows tablet and find Android way more comfortable to use.

 

[Nobina]

If Microsoft is planning to bring the start menu back in W9, I'm in. I tried to use 8.1 a couple of times but I always turn back to W7 cause I really need the start menu, not some "modern" UI which is useless eyecandy and fullscreen also. If you ignore the missing start menu, 8.1 is great, I don't mind the flat design. There is only 1 problem in 8.1, internet is somehow slower, idk what's causing it.

 

[Nobina]

I wish that Microsoft will give tablet users more attention. I have a Windows tablet and find Android way more comfortable to use.

Last time they gave tablets attention they made Windows 8.

Android is better because it's focused only on tablets/smartphones, just imagine how bad it would be on a desktop compared to Windows.

 

[Kibaruk]

A quote from this article:

http://www.zdnet.com/windows-thresh...-plan-to-win-over-windows-7-users-7000031070/

"Microsoft is basically "done" with Windows 8.x. Regardless of how usable or functional it is or isn't, it has become Microsoft's Vista 2.0 — something from which Microsoft needs to distance itself, perception-wise. At this point, Microsoft is going full-steam-ahead toward Threshold and will do its best to differentiate that OS release from Windows 8."

I think that pretty sums up this little debate folks. You can stick a big ole fork in Windows 8.x. It's finished. Over, snap back to relaity, oops there goes gravity....yada yada yada. LOL.

Ok course, when Windows 9 "is" released, feel free to "cling" to your lovely Windows 8.

The difference is Vista was actually a bad performer, 8 is actually better all around BUT metro, since a lot of users saw big squares on their screen instead of a start menu they started running like headless chickens... but for you to be happy with yourself feel free to keep on hatin'.

I have used Windows 8 since day one and for 99% of that time I have not seen the Metro screen or a single tile. I have been very happy with Windows 8, works much better than 7 for me.

Same here. Leaving metro aside, with better indexing I feel it's easier for power users.

 

[TheBigFatClown]

The difference is Vista was actually a bad performer, 8 is actually better all around BUT metro, since a lot of users saw big squares on their screen instead of a start menu they started running like headless chickens... but for you to be happy with yourself feel free to keep on hatin'.



Same here. Leaving metro aside, with better indexing I feel it's easier for power users.

Another partial truth I feel compelled to correct for the less 'educated' amoung us. Windows Vista was a bad performer 'in the beginning'. After 2 service packs it was a solid operating system. If I had to choose between installing Windows Vista or Windows 8 right now...guess who wins? The operating system made for a desktop, that's who. It's amazing how people can so easily dismiss their operating system UI for 'under the hood' improvements.

I don't care how well the operating system performs if it doesn't do what I want it to do and in the manner in which I want to do it.

Thank you for the consent to hate Windows 8. I'll take you up on that. No reason in hell to even think about Windows 8 anymore with Windows 9 so close to becoming a reality. My exercise in abstinence will have its just rewards. *fingers crossed*

It's hilarious to see die-hards continuing to support Windows 8 when even Microsoft has acknowledged the Windows 8 situation as a disaster they are trying to distance themselves from. If nobody wants to use your operating system because of the way it looks, that's a serious problem. So what do you do? Spend another 5 years trying to convince people to buy it by saying, "We know it looks like 5h17 but......try it anyway....you'll like it....and hey....IT BOOTS FASTER!"

Or do they do the smart thing and give the customer what the customer wants. End of controversy. End of poor sales. Move on.

 

[Kibaruk]

Hi, I'm a former Windows 8 (Now W8.1) user who is happy with what Microsoft did and is doing.

*Bring on the hate*

My exercise in abstinence will have its just rewards. *fingers crossed*

For everyone hopefully, unless you reproduce with water.

 

[TheBigFatClown]

Hi, I'm a former Windows 8 (Now W8.1) user who is happy with what Microsoft did and is doing.

*Bring on the hate*



For everyone hopefully, unless you reproduce with water.

Microsoft took 1 step forward and 10 steps back. And your happy? Sounds like you'd be happy with anything Microsoft does. You'll probably buy Windows 9 too. Why does that not surprise me. Can't resist shiny and new syndrome?

 

[Kibaruk]

Why are you picking a fight? I'm not allowed to say I'm happy with what was done?

If you are bored go to reddit or 9gag or whatever crazy troll kids do nowadays.

Again, I'm happy with what was done. PERIOD.

 

[cliffordcooley]

Can't resist shiny and new syndrome?

I can't resist shiny! Windows 8 is far from shiny. I find it dull and boring.

 

[TheBigFatClown]

Why are you picking a fight? I'm not allowed to say I'm happy with what was done?

If you are bored go to reddit or 9gag or whatever crazy troll kids do nowadays.

Again, I'm happy with what was done. PERIOD.

*gasp* I didn't realize I was picking a fight. I thought I was making a point. Love is blind. You say you were happy with Windows 8(what they did), you say you are happy with what they are doing(Windows 8.1). Windows 8 was tablified to the extreme. Windows 8.1 is dialing it back(in other words Microsoft is doing multiple 180's) and you say you are happy in both situations. You are a blind fanboy. You would be happy with ANYTHING they do. Not picking a fight. Simply making a point. Illuminating the absurd obsession and blind allegiance to Microsoft that some fanboys have been stricken with. Microsoft can do no wrong in your eyes. And you have proved that with your own words. Thank you.

 

[GhostRyder]

Well I can say I will probably update my desktop to Windows 9 once it comes out because I do like where its headed. I have always though been a advocate that Windows 8/8.1 was a good OS and worked as intended. I did miss some of the major things the typical desktop user got like the good ole start menu but I felt the OS in general was a bit snappier and I liked most everything else about it.

Either way, Windows 9 sounds like its going to be the best of both worlds OS which will be awesome to say the least.

 

[cliffordcooley]

They are dumbing it down now patch after patch, for those guys who don't know pressing ALT+F4 closses the window, so now they get to see a huge X to close. Making it more "classic" feel like WXP and W7.

Ah yes, lets take away the ability to close an app with the single click. Maybe all our followers will decide to buy into a touchscreen monitor.Seriously what was they thinking when they disabled mouse functionality in the first place. You say they are dumbing Windows down by adding it back. I say they were dumbing Windows down when they took it away. Because of one concept, not everyone is prepared for touch/finger gestures. And not everyone wants to revert back to using the keyboard, for what was once a single simple mouse click.

 

[Kibaruk]

Ah yes, lets take away the ability to close an app with the single click. Maybe all our followers will decide to buy into a touchscreen monitor.Seriously what was they thinking when they disabled mouse functionality in the first place. You say they are dumbing Windows down by adding it back. I say they were dumbing Windows down when they took it away. Because of one concept, not everyone is prepared for touch/finger gestures. And not everyone wants to revert back to using the keyboard, for what was once a single simple mouse click.

Ok maybe I vomited that idea away, my bad, although that's only for metro apps which normally a desktop user won't use.

PS: We are all power users, most of us who visit and comment here are tech-savy and probably won't have any problems with just hitting ALT+F4 or CTRL+W to close a window, but those who are complaining are throwing everything negative they have ever read down to microsoft, even when those negative things don't apply to them or don't have an impact, in the end complaining for the sake of hating.

Edit:

And not everyone wants to revert back to using the keyboard, for what was once a single simple mouse click.

Revert back to keyboard?? you say it like it's an obsolete piece of hardware. At least to me whenever I'm in front of the computer I have one hand on the mouse and the other on the keyboard, so stretching two fingers to press something is not a biggie for me, it is actually faster to run on shortcuts instead of using the mouse (And here the indexing part of W8 takes a beautiful turn).

 

[GeforcerFX]

Ah yes, lets take away the ability to close an app with the single click. Maybe all our followers will decide to buy into a touchscreen monitor.Seriously what was they thinking when they disabled mouse functionality in the first place. You say they are dumbing Windows down by adding it back. I say they were dumbing Windows down when they took it away. Because of one concept, not everyone is prepared for touch/finger gestures. And not everyone wants to revert back to using the keyboard, for what was once a single simple mouse click.

Ok maybe I vomited that idea away, my bad, although that's only for metro apps which normally a desktop user won't use.

PS: We are all power users, most of us who visit and comment here are tech-savy and probably won't have any problems with just hitting ALT+F4 or CTRL+W to close a window, but those who are complaining are throwing everything negative they have ever read down to microsoft, even when those negative things don't apply to them or don't have an impact, in the end complaining for the sake of hating.

Edit:

And not everyone wants to revert back to using the keyboard, for what was once a single simple mouse click.

Revert back to keyboard?? you say it like it's an obsolete piece of hardware. At least to me whenever I'm in front of the computer I have one hand on the mouse and the other on the keyboard, so stretching two fingers to press something is not a biggie for me, it is actually faster to run on shortcuts instead of using the mouse (And here the indexing part of W8 takes a beautiful turn).

Though I agree with ya man, just give up, I have defended windows 8/8.1 countless times on this website, they are just to set in there ways. Those who liked windows 8 figured out how to customize it to there needs and were happy with the other benefits of the OS. Others couldn't be bothered to adjust to 3 changes and instead decided to stay with windows 7(not a huge deal). Then you have guys who bash Windows 8 like its a buggy OS with tons of problems when the real problem is they just choose not to adjust to the slightly different UI (there are much more radical UI's out there then the jump from classic windows to 8). They act like using Windows 8 means they will be forced to spend almost every hour of there computer time on the Modern UI Start screen. On my desktop, like many others have said, I spend around 1 min of every hour in the Modern UI to look up a file or open a program (sometimes a app). Even on my Surface RT and Venue 8 Pro I spend most of my time on the desktop, and so do many other users. I have setup and walked hundreds of customers through there new windows 8 systems. The biggest thing I do is show them the new UI, something that usually takes 10-15 min and help them customize it to the way they want (that got really fun with 8.1). Most of the customers who have done this with me walk away with out a issue and I never hear or see from them again, or when I do see them there doing fine with the computer. Its that 15 min setup is what it takes, just the quick couple minutes to reteach them the small change in windows 8/8/1 from the previous windows there used too. Techies are a whole different story. There are two kinds of techies, those who are very open minded and have no problems trying new things and adapting, seeing the full potential of a product/software. Then there's the majority of techies that are set in there ways. Which is understandable, they have spent significantly more time then a average user learning how to use the OS there way. Most of them were not willing to spend that same amount of time again with win8/8.1 because they felt no need to. When I said earlier that Microsoft didn't go far enough, I was most or less saying windows 8/8.1 really didn't have many differences from vista/7 to make the average Windows 7 user move. Anyone who has spent a lot of time learning windows 8/8/1 or repairing can see how similar they are to 7 still(comparing to say moving from windows to mac). I left my main desktop on windows 7 even after spending 100+ hours on windows 8, I loved windows 8 but felt windows 7 was getting the job done more then well enough, most of the tech community felt the same way.

 

[captaincranky]

The difference is Vista was actually a bad performer, 8 is actually better all around BUT metro, since a lot of users saw big squares on their screen instead of a start menu they started running like headless chickens... but for you to be happy with yourself feel free to keep on hatin'.

Vista was XP with SATA drivers. It wasn't good or bad, it generated ambivalence, at least on my part. I have a laptop with Vista on it. When I use it, the little I use it, it works fine.

The advances and tweaks to "Aero", make Win 7 a standout. Its search capabilities are quite good, IMHO.

Same here. Leaving metro aside, with better indexing I feel it's easier for power users.

I don't consider my self a "big time power user", that's why I haven't explored the touch, Voc Rec, and other things that already exist in Win 7.

That, and the fact that no one really needs to buy every OS that M$ releases. Not many people admit that they made a bad purchase. Which is not to say you did, but merely to say if you did, you wouldn't admit it anyway.

If you want to trumpet the fact that you're a Windows 8 power user, be my guest. But, you've already seen the backlash which results.

At the end of the day, nobody forced you to buy Windows 8. You, and a few others think it makes you future savant. Here again, all I feel is ambivalence.

I've heard all the nonsense and FUD that comes standard with Win 8 users. A few of them like to tell people they shouldn't be at a tech site if they're not on top of everything, including the latest M$ O$.

Me, I still enjoy using my XP boxes. I'll give them up when they go up in flames.

This post brought to you courtesy of an ancient E-6300 Dual core Pentium, Gigabyte G-41, and Win 7 Home Premium.32 bit. How I ever manage to post with such a feeble relic, I can't explain.

 

[dividebyzero]

At the end of the day, nobody forced you to buy Windows 8. You, and a few others think it makes you future savant. Here again, all I feel is ambivalence.

I know 'Muricans can have major problems with the English language, but I hadn't really counted you amongst them....until now

Maybe former "victims" of lousy Windows editions, (Vista, Windows ME, Windows 8), should start one massive support group, "Weepers over Windows", and hold a yearly, "Cry In", at Redmond.

Does the word ambivalence convey a different meaning in the U.S. of Eh?

 

[captaincranky]

I know 'Muricans can have major problems with the English language, but I hadn't really counted you amongst them....until now

It passes the spell check. Wrong part of speech , maybe?

"Ambivalent", maybe?

Does the word ambivalence convey a different meaning in the U.S. of Eh?

Not at all. I haven't been victimized with poor Windows editions. Hence I won't be attending the "WoW Cry In", I envisioned for the emotional release of others. This is the point where you say, "good lookin' out, captaincranky".

Besides, I use whichever flavor of Windows exists, on whatever computer I have plugged into a monitor, at any given time.

You couple that with the fact my "latest" machine, is an Ivy Bridge i3, and face it, because I have, you're dealing with a Luddite, when you're dealing with me.

Anyhoo, with an i3-3225 and Intel G-4000 graphics, in a Cooler Master "Storm Scout" case, it's bark is way worse than its bite. Do you think the Antec "Earthwatts" 430 watt PSU is potent enough, or do I need to go bigger?.....

 

[DAOWAce]

Always boggles my mind when I see people still riding the 'hate Vista' bandwagon.

One of those? Install Vista and use it for a month, then go back to 7, see all the FUD you've been ignorantly spewing with the rest of the wagoners.

8's core improvements are nice (minus its core problems in regards to gaming), but the UI is bad beyond redemption. I will never use it outside of when I have to do work on someone's PC, and it makes me want to smash something to pieces when I do.

If Linux wasn't so different from Windows, and actually ran programs/games I use/play on a daily basis, I'd have jumped ship long ago. Microsoft really lost their way after Vista's release.

 

[Kibaruk]

@GeforcerFX : I feel you man

That, and the fact that no one really needs to buy every OS that M$ releases. Not many people admit that they made a bad purchase. Which is not to say you did, but merely to say if you did, you wouldn't admit it anyway.

It was given to me by my university, I tried it on my laptop to test drive it and in less than a week I migrated my desktop too. So I didn't actually buy it which wouldn't make it difficult for me to say I made a bad purchase, although I can say I would buy it if I had to choose between buying an XP 7 or 8 copy.
EDIT: True, no one really needs to buy every Microsoft release, the same way that no one really needs to get into the hatewagon because they are lazy pr-icks (Not referring to you).

I know 'Muricans can have major problems with the English language, but I hadn't really counted you amongst them....until now
Does the word ambivalence convey a different meaning in the U.S. of Eh?

Thank you for the big and important input to the thread in question.

 

[ET3D]

Last time they gave tablets attention they made Windows 8.

Problem is, it was a half hearted attempt. They've improved Metro since, but it's still not there, IMO.

Android is better because it's focused only on tablets/smartphones, just imagine how bad it would be on a desktop compared to Windows.

Not sure it will be any worse than Metro. Android is mostly accessible through on-screen buttons and the top slidable bar, so it has a simple and accessible interface, compared to Metro's multiple gestures, which are ill suited for desktop and not that great on a tablet either.

 

[Kibaruk]

Not sure it will be any worse than Metro. Android is mostly accessible through on-screen buttons and the top slidable bar, so it has a simple and accessible interface, compared to Metro's multiple gestures, which are ill suited for desktop and not that great on a tablet either.

The problem with Android is, you don't get desktop aplications, as you do with W8. You get ports of most software on Android like you would use in a computer but without the same interface, most of the ports dont have the same functionality.