"Windows 9" preview set to arrive later this year, will focus on desktop users

GhostRyder

TS Evangelist
@GeforcerFX Great, exactly how I feel!
@GeforcerFX : I feel you man :p



It was given to me by my university, I tried it on my laptop to test drive it and in less than a week I migrated my desktop too. So I didn't actually buy it which wouldn't make it difficult for me to say I made a bad purchase, although I can say I would buy it if I had to choose between buying an XP 7 or 8 copy.
EDIT: True, no one really needs to buy every Microsoft release, the same way that no one really needs to get into the hatewagon because they are lazy pr-icks (Not referring to you).

Thank you for the big and important input to the thread in question.
I like Windows 8/8.1 as well and I rarely use the Metro but it never bothered me. But your all fighting a losing battle in regards to this because people have already decided they hate windows 8 and thats never going to change. Hence why Microsoft is saving that update until 9 because they too have realized this.
 
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captaincranky

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EDIT: True, no one really needs to buy every Microsoft release, the same way that no one really needs to get into the hatewagon because they are lazy pr-icks (Not referring to you).
@GeforcerFX Great, exactly how I feel!

I like Windows 8/8.1 as well and I rarely use the Metro but it never bothered me. But your all fighting a losing battle in regards to this because people have already decided they hate windows 8 and thats never going to change. Hence why Microsoft is saving that update until 9 because they to have realized this.
A lot of this comes back to Steve Ballmer's authoritarian approach. He did ram this down all user's throats, without accepting input. Personally, from what I've heard of him, he isn't half the man Bill Gates is. And hence his, "retirement" is in the offing.

The simple fact of the matter is, Win 7's core could possibly have been tweaked via update. The touch functions could have been implemented better, via update.

Instead, he pulled WMC, and made it an option, forced more connectivity on users, and pandered to the lowest common denominator of OS customers, smart phone users.

XP lasted a dozen years. There's no chance of ever having another OS with that tenure of support. What you'll get is another paid public beta, rammed down your throat every couple of years. And that's only if in fact, they don't try and pull the subscription only sh!t like Adobe did.

After all, they sell "Chrome Books" aplenty. These are for the segment of the population who take for granted being connected, is the only way a computer could be useful. A tragic holdover from cell phone addiction.

Windows 8 is really only a fruit tree being used as bait. Let's not overlook a lot bigger forest you need to be careful of.

As I've said before, a lot of the garbage makers are putting out, are nothing but useless toys. Cheap tinsel on top of something that already functions comparable with user's needs. C'mon do you really need your light bulbs connected to the web? I think not.

So, (IMHO, of course), a lot of you are confusing being, "tech savvy", but are rather self victimizing, "tech trendies".

I'm going to hold pat with the OS versions I have. When the next generation of OS allows me to speak to my computer in plain English, then it might be time for a change.
 
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cliffordcooley

TS Redneck
When the next OS allows me to use the OS the way I want to use it, I will consider the OS. BS like we didn't want the consumer troubled in making a decision is pathetic, and should be an insult to everyone. What amazes me is not everyone knows MS does not want anyone happy with their OS. MS needs to keep a door open, the desire to have something better. The release of a good OS and then a bad OS creates this door. The hype of a better OS over a worse one sells itself. That is the opposite to failing in the creating hype in a worse OS over a better OS. Enjoy your failure in creating hype for Windows 8, Windows 7 FTW. After all MS needs a failure to enhance sales of Windows 9.
 

GhostRyder

TS Evangelist
A lot of this comes back to Steve Ballmer's authoritarian approach. He did ram this down all user's throats, without accepting input. Personally, from what I've heard of him, he isn't half the man Bill Gates is. And hence his, "retirement" is in the offing.
Steve Ballmer was not Bill Gates, your correct and he was not the best option for everything that Microsoft is. What was attempted was an integration of all OS's and all devices into one and obviously that approach did not appeal to people. At this point I stand by 8.1 being in reality not much different than 7 at least in the basic OS design minus Metro. However the opinion has not changed mostly due to the user base already making a decision not to like it and that will never change.

Its not a requirement to upgrade all the time, there are still 2 versions other than 8 getting support still so thats an viable option.

Steve Ballmers mistake in allowing the 8 OS as it was at launch was making all devices run exactly the same no matter the input device used. Now with the detection and what not/boot to desktop etc its just another computer desktop.

Either way, 9 is going to be the next 7 by the sound of things and will probably be everyones next Windows change.
 

dividebyzero

trainee n00b
Thank you for the big and important input to the thread in question.
I believe I made my own thoughts on the matter known earlier in the thread. Asking for clarification on what part of cc's impression of Win8 as a "lousy OS" implies an ambivalent stance was merely that. Inherent contradiction isn't captaincranky's usual m.o.

Thanks for the sarcasm though. Top marks.
 

Bitvar

TS Rookie
An operating system is more than a desktop environment/GUI, everyone here would do well to remember that. If a user can't handle miniscule GUI changes like the ones offered up in the transition from Windows 7 to 8 then I don't think they have any place using a computer, frankly. Now that my elitist prejudices are out of the way lets get to the RAW FACTS.

The fact of the matter is, Windows 8 is across the board superior to 7. This can be subtle viewed through the new rendering backbone, that has hardware accelerated everything from the most mundane to things like text/geometry to applications and other software. The first extremely obvious change is how Windows 8 handles multi-core processors. Windows 7 is from an age where we developed with a single core/single thread in mind. It is apparent by how aggressively Windows 7 parks your cores during standard operation. Windows 8 does not do that in any scenario. Windows 8 actually proactively tries to distribute workloads across multiple cores even in scenarios where the application doesn't specifically call for it. The way they do this is very clever but I won't bore you with the details. Another plain-as-day improvement is general driver overhead. If you've ever seen the system load using any number of drivers (GPU drivers are the best example) in Win7 you'd notice they balance about 99% on Core 0 and 1% on Core 1 (in the best scenario) while Windows 8 will go 60/30/5/5. This still isn't ideal, but it is a limitation of DirectX 11.x and not the actual OS, but it is insanely more efficient and results in real world performance boosts for things like videogames. When DirectX 12 finally ships, inside the Windows 8 environment (it will not work effectively in Win7, ignoring the fact that 12 releases after the end of Win7 feature support) it will perfectly balance the driver overhead load across all available resources. This is incredible because for the first time drivers won't have to target specific systems, the OS will just "know" what to do with AMD and the various crummy OpenGL packages sent out in real time. Then there are other hardware changes at the level of new tech like SSDs that just will not perform as well. Going back to the new rendering backbone users will see as much as 600% boost in performance with in-OS tasks (not 3D DX applications) with IDENTICAL HARDWARE compared to Windows 7.

To put things lightly, if you didn't take the 300ms it takes for your brain to recognize the minor changes and adjust when Windows 8 was released at the 40USD promo and missed out because you listened to some highschool drop-out Techblogger on any of the various sites - then you are a fool, and I pity your ignorance. If you are a Windows gamer and didn't jump on the good news, well then you might as well just hang up your towel - because you are past your prime and should resign yourself to Facebook flash games.
 

TheBigFatClown

TS Evangelist
Steve Ballmer was not Bill Gates, your correct and he was not the best option for everything that Microsoft is. What was attempted was an integration of all OS's and all devices into one and obviously that approach did not appeal to people. At this point I stand by 8.1 being in reality not much different than 7 at least in the basic OS design minus Metro. However the opinion has not changed mostly due to the user base already making a decision not to like it and that will never change.

Its not a requirement to upgrade all the time, there are still 2 versions other than 8 getting support still so thats an viable option.

Steve Ballmers mistake in allowing the 8 OS as it was at launch was making all devices run exactly the same no matter the input device used. Now with the detection and what not/boot to desktop etc its just another computer desktop.

Either way, 9 is going to be the next 7 by the sound of things and will probably be everyones next Windows change.
But your having multiple orgasms while using the Windows 8 OS. What more could you possibly want in the next operating system? Your completely happy where you are. Feel free to stay where you are for the next 20 years and continue to show your support for a system that has been declared by Microsoft as 'legally dead'. Jumping ship to Windows 9 on release day makes me wonder if you truly support Windows 8 as a practical operating system. Put your money where you mouth is. Boycott Windows 9 now and take a stand for something you believe in. :)
 

TheBigFatClown

TS Evangelist
An operating system is more than a desktop environment/GUI, everyone here would do well to remember that. If a user can't handle miniscule GUI changes like the ones offered up in the transition from Windows 7 to 8 then I don't think they have any place using a computer, frankly. Now that my elitist prejudices are out of the way lets get to the RAW FACTS.
Miniscule GUI changes in Windows 8? LOL. I stopped reading most of the rest of the post after the first paragraph. Hard to take seriously with silly comments like that. The rest of this 21 chapter novel regurgitates everything we already know. Windows 8 has major improvements under the hood. *cue broken record for dramatic effect*. My suggestion to you is to boycott Windows 9 also to make a stand for something you believe in. While the rest of us move on to Windows 9. We asked for it, we demanded it, were getting it. The squeaky wheel is getting the grease. See ya.

Who wants to bet me money that GhostRyder and novel writer will have Windows 9 installed before it's publicly available? I'll give you 10-1 odds. :)
 

cliffordcooley

TS Redneck
Who wants to bet me money that GhostRyder and novel writer will have Windows 9 installed before it's publicly available? I'll give you 10-1 odds. :)
I will to if it doesn't look dull and boring, the way Windows 8 does.

Just ask any artist how a frame can compliment or insult the painting within.
 

captaincranky

TechSpot Addict
...[ ]....Just ask any artist how a frame can compliment or insult the painting within.
Since we're going with an artsy-fartsy analogy, why not go for broke?

I prithee tell me, how woulds' an artiste respond when questioned thus, "how dost a frame, pay tribute,or mockest, one of thy fine works"?

I believe I made my own thoughts on the matter known earlier in the thread. Asking for clarification on what part of cc's impression of Win8 as a "lousy OS" implies an ambivalent stance was merely that. Inherent contradiction isn't captaincranky's usual m.o.
I would give that impression. I have no interest in trying Windows 8. Whether that's because of its own failing, or the M$ bullsh!t barrage behind it, I'm not sure.

I am ambivalent about whatever they try to do to humor or placate customer's complaints, from the time of the first update, until the time they withdraw support for it. I just don't want it.

Is that a bit clearer and less duplicitous?
 
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TheBigFatClown

TS Evangelist
I will to if it doesn't look dull and boring, the way Windows 8 does.

Just ask any artist how a frame can compliment or insult the painting within.
True enough. I am not going to pre-order Windows 9 or anything that silly. Success is never certain, failure is never final. I'll be watching closely. I like what I am hearing about Windows 9 so far. But as CaptainCranky points out there could be other reasons for avoiding Windows 9. If they move closer to a yearly subscription model, or if the operating system feels more like a shopping application that hijacks my computer, or if it's integrated too closely with the cloud or if they get anywhere NEAR an operating-system-as-a-service model...I may pass also. I say 'may', LOL. That's funny. I crack myself up. I trust Microsoft as much as I trust my government at this point. They want more control over me and more money out of me. If they overreach again, if they cross the redline again, my copy of Windows 9 will be sitting on the shelf just like my copy of Windows 8 is right now...collecting dust particles.
 

GeforcerFX

TS Evangelist
True enough. I am not going to pre-order Windows 9 or anything that silly. Success is never certain, failure is never final. I'll be watching closely. I like what I am hearing about Windows 9 so far. But as CaptainCranky points out there could be other reasons for avoiding Windows 9. If they move closer to a yearly subscription model, or if the operating system feels more like a shopping application that hijacks my computer, or if it's integrated too closely with the cloud or if they get anywhere NEAR an operating-system-as-a-service model...I may pass also. I say 'may', LOL. That's funny. I crack myself up. I trust Microsoft as much as I trust my government at this point. They want more control over me and more money out of me. If they overreach again, if they cross the redline again, my copy of Windows 9 will be sitting on the shelf just like my copy of Windows 8 is right now...collecting dust particles.
After reading all your posts over windows in the last few months...
I really think you would be happier moving to Linux, it would give you the absolute control over the OS that you crave. In a windows environment you will have to always adjust to its changes, its a commercial product in a rapidly changing commercial environment. Linux is a open source product competing with no one commercially and supported by millions of geeks everywhere, of which many would prob share your opinions and tastes
 

captaincranky

TechSpot Addict
After reading all your posts over windows in the last few months...
I really think you would be happier moving to Linux, it would give you the absolute control over the OS that you crave. In a windows environment you will have to always adjust to its changes, its a commercial product in a rapidly changing commercial environment. Linux is a open source product competing with no one commercially and supported by millions of geeks everywhere, of which many would prob share your opinions and tastes
C'mon man, Linux and Photoshop are mutually exclusive. If you want to run PSCS, Lightroom, or even Photosshop Elements, you either need a Windows machine, or need to buy a Mac.

Forget for a moment that Photoshop itself is subscription only, Lightroom and Elements are still "buy me on DVD programs.

If we don't forget that PS & Adobe's entire Creative suite is subscription only, it still isn't available for any Linux distro. And WINE is a frakking joke, in case you considered an answer involving that dog.

So, "you're tired of trying to reason with TBFC". Is that it, or are you just tired of hearing his rebukes, and his failure to agree with you? Or maybe your failure for not being able to force him to agree with you

You're a "Windows 8 power user", it might be nice if you would stop trying to cram that little factoid down our throats. Go play with your Windows 8 quietly, and bag the superiority complex.

Like you said, "the college gave me my copy". I'm actually happy for you. But the fact remains, you persist in trying to get someone, to get something, they want don't or like, and pay for it out of their pocket. Is it the challenge that drives you?

he finally made you snap ehh, ohh well, me and you and the rest of the 20% will be happy and enjoy MUI in windows 9, the rest can either adapt or move on to other products or stick with 7 till she sinks.
Well, I'm sticking with XP, (on my machines that have it installed), and that's already on the bottom. I guess I better dust off my SCUBA gear, and get down there with it.

On the bright side, it's nice and quiet down there, no noise from the surface
 
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GeforcerFX

TS Evangelist
After reading all your posts over windows in the last few months...
I really think you would be happier moving to Linux, it would give you the absolute control over the OS that you crave. In a windows environment you will have to always adjust to its changes, its a commercial product in a rapidly changing commercial environment. Linux is a open source product competing with no one commercially and supported by millions of geeks everywhere, of which many would prob share your opinions and tastes
C'mon man, Linux and Photoshop are mutually exclusive. If you want to run PSCS, Lightroom, or even Photosshop Elements, you either need a Windows machine, or need to buy a Mac.

Forget for a moment that Photoshop itself is subscription only, Lightroom and Elements are still "buy me on DVD programs.

If we don't forget that PS & Adobe's entire Creative suite is subscription only, it still isn't available for any Linux distro. And WINE is a frakking joke, in case you considered an answer involving that dog.

So, "you're tired of trying to reason with TBFC". Is that it, or are you just tired of hearing his rebukes.

You're a "Windows 8 power user", it might be nice if you would stop trying to cram that little factoid down our throats. Go play with your Windows 8 quietly, and bag the superiority complex.
Well since all I mentioned was Linux and not Photoshop dunno where you got that comparison other then his whining about the subscription. Though not as powerful Linux does have GIMP (which is free) and for my somewhat demanding needs in photoshop it does a fine job (again being free). Adobe has talked before of supporting Linux if some more large business that need there products move towards a Linux environment I could see it supporting it as well. The creative suite is subscription I am aware I sell a couple subs a month (rich mofos). There are other programs out there to do the job as well, at least for me, but I have mainly been a Photoshop and premier pro user and that's all. Cinelerra seems like a nice/powerful video editor for linux, and its free as well. WINE is not a solution for professional grade software, but I have gotten a lot of programs to run in there relatively bug free (sometimes better then windows even). Am I tired of TBFC no, I just realized very early on there is no reasoning with him, nor you most of the time, but here I am, will any of this get through to you or him prob not, but if I cared this post would be much longer. "windows 8 power user" sure why not, but I use windows 7 and linux evey day as well, though I am still learning linux after 4 years (changes a lot). The best way to describe me is a open minded techie who is willing to try anything, and go into that with a glass half full attitude, something you guys could try out sometime. Would open new doors for you all and would be a breathe of fresh air for all of us. I play with what ever OS I want, and be as loud as I want, if you don't like it then f*ck off.
 

captaincranky

TechSpot Addict
Well since all I mentioned was Linux and not Photoshop dunno where you got that comparison other then his whining about the subscription.
No, Photoshop is the most pirated program in the industry. Even imbeciles that don't know how to use it, steal it. And it's why ATM, there is no retreating to Linux. So, save the hackneyed retort, "if you don't like Windows, go to LinuxI", BS for somebody that doesn't think you're a pushy....., (insert pejorative of your choice here).

I'll play with what ever OS I want, and be as loud as I want, if you don't like it then f*ck off.
Perhaps so. But you lack the good sense, good taste, common courtesy, or breeding, to do it quietly
 

GeforcerFX

TS Evangelist
No, Photoshop is the most pirated program in the industry. Even imbeciles that don't know how to use it, steal it. And it's why ATM, there is no retreating to Linux. So, save the hackneyed retort, "if you don't like Windows, go to LinuxI", BS for somebody that doesn't think you're a pushy....., (insert pejorative of your choice here).

Perhaps so. But you lack the good sense, good taste, common courtesy, or breeding, to do it quietly
As you would prob be the elder of the situation, I will learn to be quiet when you do.

I was never pushing him towards linux, it was just a suggestion and more then anything I was curious as to waht he would say. I honestly think with how much he hates modern operating systems (since everything he listed is found in all modern OS's) a Linux based OS that he customizes would fit his needs prob well. Then booting over to windows 7 for a little photoshop, or maybe his photoshop needs are similar to mine and Gimp would fulfill them in linux, not knowing his needs would be the reason I never commented on photoshop in the original post. It was more addressing his dislike of the future of modern OS's, something that can be avoided within a lot of linux distros.
 

TheBigFatClown

TS Evangelist
As you would prob be the elder of the situation, I will learn to be quiet when you do.

I was never pushing him towards linux, it was just a suggestion and more then anything I was curious as to waht he would say. I honestly think with how much he hates modern operating systems (since everything he listed is found in all modern OS's) a Linux based OS that he customizes would fit his needs prob well. Then booting over to windows 7 for a little photoshop, or maybe his photoshop needs are similar to mine and Gimp would fulfill them in linux, not knowing his needs would be the reason I never commented on photoshop in the original post. It was more addressing his dislike of the future of modern OS's, something that can be avoided within a lot of linux distros.
I think your missing a fundamental issue in all of this and that is that Microsoft, yes, Microsoft itself has finally realized the problem. One size doesn't fit all. I hear they are releasing multiple SKUs for the release of Windows 9. Do you think Microsoft would be releasing 3 separate SKUs for a dozen dissatisfied customers? Did you forget about all the businesses in the world that use Microsoft Windows in their day to day business? They are not happy with Windows 8. It's too much of a radical departure from the norm. A single finger can only do so much on a desktop. So why was it made to be the focus versus another subtle option for those who wanted to use it? There's both good and bad in Windows 8. But the bad is blatant and in-your-face bad. So bad that something had to be done. Something sensible for people who still use desktops.

I've tried many different distros of Linux. I love Linux but I love Windows more, up until Windows 8, that is. I have invested years of my life into Microsoft's programming tools. Visual Studio and SQL Server primarily. I have invested years of my life learning their APIs. ASP.NET, ADO.NET, Entity Framework, etc. So, it's giving up a lot to move to another operating system. I find the easier solution to the problem(which seems to be working from what I can tell so far) is to make it known, how much Windows 8 is truly hated so that I don't have to migrate somewhere else.

Some people seem to be content resting on their lazy butts on the dock of the ship, taking in a few rays and sipping on their drinks while the captain does whatever he wants. They don't realize the further you allow the ship to veer off course, the more it actually will. I don't think it makes logical sense to just sit on my fat lazy butt and let Microsoft go any damned direction they please.

Was it GhostRyder that said he thinks Windows 9 will be the best of both worlds? Do you think that is happening on accident? It's happening for a reason. Consumer dissatisfaction. No thanks to tards like you who are so concerned about being a positive "Peter" that they eat anything they are served.
 

dividebyzero

trainee n00b
I would give that impression. I have no interest in trying Windows 8. Whether that's because of its own failing, or the M$ bullsh!t barrage behind it, I'm not sure.
Fair enough, although the barrage from my point of view started with QDOS and has been unrelenting since. I don't see any cause for optimism that Win9 will be any different, nor any MS product that follows.
Personally, I've been inured to the machinations of Redmond. You live with it in varying forms regardless of OS. After a while you learn the workarounds and the short form explanations to the lines of people crying that their new printer doesn't play nice
I am ambivalent about whatever they try to do to humor or placate customer's complaints, from the time of the first update, until the time they withdraw support for it. I just don't want it.
Again, fair enough. Software is always going to be a case of YMMV. Win8 (or 8.1) is by no means any pinnacle of mans achievement, but it has stopped a steady stream of people coming to me freaking out because their screen goes black and being assailed by some cryptic TDR message (as an example).

Again, personally, I'd be more than happy if Redmond devote 99% of their efforts into making sure that the OS works and is stable. The other 1%...well they can divide that up between making it look nice, maybe a new splash logo and a funky start button.

Rage on. I'll buy a doughnut for the first person who changes the mind of someone from the other camp.
 

captaincranky

TechSpot Addict
I was never pushing him towards linux, it was just a suggestion and more then anything I was curious as to waht he would say. I honestly think with how much he hates modern operating systems (since everything he listed is found in all modern OS's)
I'm not sure how you arrived at this conclusion. It would seem to imply that Windows 8 IS the only, "modern operating system". A recurrent theme in your dialog. Windows 7 still has to qualify as a "modern operating system". If not to you, then to many of us "elders", it still does.
a Linux based OS that he customizes would fit his needs prob well. Then booting over to windows 7 for a little photoshop, or maybe his photoshop needs are similar to mine and Gimp would fulfill them in linux, not knowing his needs would be the reason I never commented on photoshop in the original post. It was more addressing his dislike of the future of modern OS's, something that can be avoided within a lot of linux distros.
Working backwards from your observation that, "GIMP meets your needs". I'm flatly confused as to how that is possible... The last brush with GIMP I had, left me scratching my head mumbling, "where the f*** are the adjustment layers"? In Adobe products, "adjustment layers are the most vital type. They allow non-destructive editing of color balance, saturation, contrast, overall levels, et al.

Moving on to "Lightroom", this is an extremely powerful tool for batch processing of Camera RAW files. For correcting 95+% of images direct from the camera, this is the sheet.

And again, it isn't available, (at least not directly), for Linux.

All of your stance behind windows 8, is from the perspective of what YOU do on the computer..

There's nothing salient about 8 to make me part with a hundred bucks for it. The method of its release was rude, to say the least, and forgot that people like me existed. Really, Steve Ballmer had this massive spasm of egomania where he believed he was the God of computing, and all the little acolyte computees, would be meeting in a house of worship, named after him.

It's been said by me on numerous occasions , that interim Windows releases are nothing, if not paid public betas. The buying public is victimized over and over, by being forced to pay to participate, as part of some massive, crap hole, M$ focus group. So, M$ can issue all the updates it likes, I'm still out. The issue of withdrawing support for Vista, before XP, is another one of M$'s greed plays. As I'm sure you've heard, Vista became a pretty darn good OS, only to have the rug pulled from under it. They just took all the data collected from "the Vista focus group", and released Windows 7. That buried the stigma of Vista, and cashed in on its beta test, big time.

So, because of the fact that I'm mostly into photography, and not games, or office, or development, there isn't much you can say which would sway me towards Win 8. I simply won't be out in the college quad, touching my little heart & brains out, on my shiny, new, Surface Pro.
 

cliffordcooley

TS Redneck
Working backwards from your observation that, "GIMP meets your needs". I'm flatly confused as to how that is possible... The last brush with GIMP I had, left me scratching my head mumbling, "where the f*** are the adjustment layers"? In Adobe products, "adjustment layers are the most vital type. They allow non-destructive editing of color balance, saturation, contrast, overall levels, et al.
With all due respect, your needs are probably not common needs.
 

captaincranky

TechSpot Addict
With all due respect, your needs are probably not common needs.
By the same token, I don't need a f***ing iPad, to act as a remote control for my TV.:mad:

And I should be paid for sitting through the imbecilic TV commercial that explained how you could use your $600.00 iPad, to turn your TV on and off......change channels even.

On a more serious note, professionals in imaging have been using touch writing & drawing tablets for a decade or more. So, if you're going to force touch on me, give it to me in a form that I can use.
 
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GeforcerFX

TS Evangelist
I think your missing a fundamental issue in all of this and that is that Microsoft, yes, Microsoft itself has finally realized the problem. One size doesn't fit all. I hear they are releasing multiple SKUs for the release of Windows 9. Do you think Microsoft would be releasing 3 separate SKUs for a dozen dissatisfied customers? Did you forget about all the businesses in the world that use Microsoft Windows in their day to day business? They are not happy with Windows 8. It's too much of a radical departure from the norm. A single finger can only do so much on a desktop. So why was it made to be the focus versus another subtle option for those who wanted to use it? There's both good and bad in Windows 8. But the bad is blatant and in-your-face bad. So bad that something had to be done. Something sensible for people who still use desktops.

I've tried many different distros of Linux. I love Linux but I love Windows more, up until Windows 8, that is. I have invested years of my life into Microsoft's programming tools. Visual Studio and SQL Server primarily. I have invested years of my life learning their APIs. ASP.NET, ADO.NET, Entity Framework, etc. So, it's giving up a lot to move to another operating system. I find the easier solution to the problem(which seems to be working from what I can tell so far) is to make it known, how much Windows 8 is truly hated so that I don't have to migrate somewhere else.

Some people seem to be content resting on their lazy butts on the dock of the ship, taking in a few rays and sipping on their drinks while the captain does whatever he wants. They don't realize the further you allow the ship to veer off course, the more it actually will. I don't think it makes logical sense to just sit on my fat lazy butt and let Microsoft go any damned direction they please.

Was it GhostRyder that said he thinks Windows 9 will be the best of both worlds? Do you think that is happening on accident? It's happening for a reason. Consumer dissatisfaction. No thanks to tards like you who are so concerned about being a positive "Peter" that they eat anything they are served.
Well that gives me a better picture of your computing background and where you are coming from, but you do come on a bit strong. Well windows 8 has 3 skus (vanilla, pro, enterprise) was under the impression that it was staying the same. The biggest difference I have read about the difference between the 8's and threshold is the introduction of the start menu as default on non touch displays. But every screen shot I have seen of the redesigned start menu looks like the start screen shrunk into a menu with a pinned app\program list as we had in vista\7. For those like me who liked mui its a simple settings change (prob even done in initial setup). I really think if windows 8.1 had been the launched 8 the issues on launch would have been much smaller for a lot of people.